The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,01:52)

Yes Ed.  I've already seen the scriptures you keep posting.  The question remains the same:  How do those scriptures teach us that God ANOINTED Jesus with GOD?

Hi Mike,

I doesn't matter how many Scriptures I produce, you have
already made up your mind not to believe what they infer.

2Cor.1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ,
and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us,
and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

That's right Ed. I have yet to see one scripture that says God anointed anyone with God.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Are you reborn of Water and the Spirit.
If so whom are you following?

If not when will you follow?

[mikeboll64]

Nick, your little “cliches” are amusing only to you. They mean nothing to us except that you can't answer according to scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Should we take your theological path when the way of scriptural truth is glorious?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:27)

Quote God is spirit, no body is involved. Keep that straight and you'll learn more. Well whoever you think the “last Adam” is, he is also said to be a “spirit” so apparently, has no body either.  If you don't think it's Christ, say so. But being that it is Christ, and being that he is called a “spirit” and being that everyone here seems to agree he is “holy,” the same case could be made that Jesus is the holy spirit, as God being the holy spirit, IF we think just putting those words together is good proof. So, we have the two scriptures, neither of which prove what Ed wants them to prove, and we have the fact that we can call God “holy” and “spirit” just as we can Jesus.  What great proof is this?

Hi David,

God is “Holy”. (Lev.11:45)
God is “Spirit”. (John 4:24)
HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)

I use this analogy in conjunction with Acts 5:3-4.

Lied to HolySpirit. (Acts 5:3)
You've lied to God. (Acts 5:4)
“HolySpirit” is God. (Luke 1:35)

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to;
BUT THE FACTS REMAIN ROCK SOLID OF THIS “BIBLE TRUTH”!

Jesus is the “Son of God” (Luke 1:35)
Jesus father is HolySpirit. (Matt.1:18)
The HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)

Try all you want David, you cannot tear apart “Bible Truth”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed, the “Bible Truth” is that the Holy Spirit is OF God. How long will you fight that truth?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:44)

Quote Hi David,          Acts 5:3-4 (Point #1 HolySpirit is God) 1) The entirety of my DNA coding is contained in my finger. You have yet to address this FACT concerning my finger. OK, So what are you saying:  That you can make another YOU with the DNA contained in your finger? Ed, if I took your DNA code and created another person with that very code, would I have another YOU?   This second person wouldn't have the same memory, experiences, character, beliefs, etc.  They might be disposed to having the sme characteristics, tendencies, etc.  But they would know different things, believe different things.   Your DNA is not YOU.  It is the DNA “of” you.  If ALL you are was DNA, then YOU would be the DNA. Anyway, you didn't explain how DNA of you being contained in your finger helps anything you've said, so if you still think that DNA in your finger makes your finger “You” you should perhaps attempt an explanation. david

Hi David,

Try to stay focused to the topic that we are discussing without any diversions; OK?

Are you suggesting that if more than one person is baptized with
the HolySpirit, that they would then have a different “HolySpirit”?    <– please answer

This is how YOUR EXAMPLE ties back to
the fact that the DNA in my finger matches all my DNA.    …PROVING MY FINGER IS, IN FACT, ME!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:46)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2012,09:29) Quote (david @ Mar. 02 2012,14:52) Jehovah (YHWH/YHVH) is God david Hi David, “YHVH is God”(117)  =  “Spirit of God”(117)  =  (117)יהוה האלהים  =  “God The Father”(117)                                                                                                                               God's Signature                                          Proof of God=117       GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)                יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)                YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)                Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)                HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)                God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (The thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE) (Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?) Carmel and Barley. Do you consider Ed's proof, proof?  I really think Ed might be basing this whole thing on his number system. But I wonder how you 2 came to this idea?

Hi David,

Well you thought wrong then didn't you! (READ the Second Post)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,03:59)

Quote (david @ Mar. 04 2012,10:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,07:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2012,11:51) Hi David, The second Adam BECAME a life giving Spirit. Of course when he was raised in his old tent that had not yet happened. I agree, Nick.  But the scriptural fact is that Jesus IS a spirit now – with which I think you agree. The last 4 comments by nick all look like they disagree with me, but don't really.  Yes, Nick, the point I am making, if you follow the thread is that JESUS IS A SPIRIT.  You agree.  Fantastic.  Tell carmel and Ed, and Barley. The difference, David, is that Nick and I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead in his original body first.  Then, most likely upon his ascension to heaven, that body was transformed into the spiritual body he now has. The reason that I believe this is because in Luke 24:37, Jesus clearly tells his disciples that he is NOT a spirit. Yet we know he BECAME a spirit at some point.  And we know that the flesh and bone he showed the disciples cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. So while the when of it all is speculation on my part, the fact is that Jesus was NOT a spirit after he was raised from the dead, but he IS one now. Anyway, this is off topic.

Hi Mike,

You continually quote that verse while overlooking this verse…

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:9)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:59)

Now, if Ed thinks that the God is the holy spirit in the same sense that my finger is me, then….I guess he's not as wrong as I previously thought ABOUT HIS IDEA,  …

Hi David,

Then I believe we are making progress!

The topic is:

HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,18:19)

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:59) Now, if Ed thinks that the God is the holy spirit in the same sense that my finger is me, then….I guess he's not as wrong as I previously thought ABOUT HIS IDEA,  … Hi David, Then I believe we are making progress! The topic is: HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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I use this analogy in conjunction with Acts 5:3-4.

I using my special spirit to make this conjunction in the analogy that comes to my mind ,

is this what I have to understand ???

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The complexity of the ONE SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit is manifest.

Jesus Christ promised he would return to his brothers and they would know him but the world could not.
The Lord assumes leadership of his flock so they will know and follow his voice.

But he spoke then of another HELPER that would be sent, the Spirit of truth.[n 14.16]. This helper testifies about Jesus and teaches and reminds the brothers of the words of Jesus. Then he says in Jn 16.26 that this HELPER is sent by Jesus FROM THE FATHER.

In the one Spirit the lambs will know the voice of the Shepherd and in that Spirit also know the Father's help.

We will come to you.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
God pours into one that many may also receive the eternal blessing.
None become God but God has a family, many made one in His Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
In the Spirit of Christ, the Father can be communed with.
Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son.[1jn1]

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,10:50)

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:27) Quote God is spirit, no body is involved. Keep that straight and you'll learn more. Well whoever you think the “last Adam” is, he is also said to be a “spirit” so apparently, has no body either.  If you don't think it's Christ, say so. But being that it is Christ, and being that he is called a “spirit” and being that everyone here seems to agree he is “holy,” the same case could be made that Jesus is the holy spirit, as God being the holy spirit, IF we think just putting those words together is good proof. So, we have the two scriptures, neither of which prove what Ed wants them to prove, and we have the fact that we can call God “holy” and “spirit” just as we can Jesus.  What great proof is this? Hi David, God is “Holy”. (Lev.11:45) God is “Spirit”. (John 4:24) HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4) I use this analogy in conjunction with Acts 5:3-4. Lied to HolySpirit. (Acts 5:3) You've lied to God. (Acts 5:4) “HolySpirit” is God. (Luke 1:35) You don't have to believe it if you don't want to; BUT THE FACTS REMAIN ROCK SOLID OF THIS “BIBLE TRUTH”! Jesus is the “Son of God” (Luke 1:35) Jesus father is HolySpirit. (Matt.1:18) The HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4) Try all you want David, you cannot tear apart “Bible Truth”! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So, you are just going to skip the posts where I show that Jesus is also “holy” and also according to scripture, a “spirit”?

Did you grow tired of this thread, or simply give up?

Do you really not want to show the evidence all in one place, so we can see it?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,11:03)

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:44) Quote Hi David,          Acts 5:3-4 (Point #1 HolySpirit is God) 1) The entirety of my DNA coding is contained in my finger. You have yet to address this FACT concerning my finger. OK, So what are you saying:  That you can make another YOU with the DNA contained in your finger? Ed, if I took your DNA code and created another person with that very code, would I have another YOU?   This second person wouldn't have the same memory, experiences, character, beliefs, etc.  They might be disposed to having the sme characteristics, tendencies, etc.  But they would know different things, believe different things.   Your DNA is not YOU.  It is the DNA “of” you.  If ALL you are was DNA, then YOU would be the DNA. Anyway, you didn't explain how DNA of you being contained in your finger helps anything you've said, so if you still think that DNA in your finger makes your finger “You” you should perhaps attempt an explanation. david Hi David, Try to stay focused to the topic that we are discussing without any diversions; OK? Are you suggesting that if more than one person is baptized with the HolySpirit, that they would then have a different “HolySpirit”?    <– please answer This is how YOUR EXAMPLE ties back to the fact that the DNA in my finger matches all my DNA.    …PROVING MY FINGER IS, IN FACT, ME! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No Ed.

It proves that YOUR finger (not “you”) CAME “FROM” “YOU,” Ed.

And no, I didn't suggest what you said. Did you suggest it?

No investigator finding “YOUR” finger….

Actually, let's stop for a moment and think: If the investigator finds this finger, does he say: “I found Ed” or does he say “I found Ed's finger.” And then, the investigator returns “YOUR” (NOT YOU) finger to Who? To YOU!

My dog gets this.

Everyone on the planet gets it. I've asked you to do that experiment, WHICH YOU REFUSE TO DO, because it would show that your use and understanding of language doesn't match other peoples.

[Ed J]

Hi David,

Jesus is the “HolySpirit's son(Matt.1:18, 1:20 / Luke 1:35),
so of course he will be like his father. How exactly
do you figure(?) that disproves Acts 5:3-4?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,11:19)

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2012,03:59) Now, if Ed thinks that the God is the holy spirit in the same sense that my finger is me, then….I guess he's not as wrong as I previously thought ABOUT HIS IDEA,  … Hi David, Then I believe we are making progress! The topic is: HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, Ed, here is what I did:

I accepted that you understand that the holy spirit is God, in the same sense that my finger is me.

HOWEVER, you are completely wrong and misguided and using language wrong (TRY EXPERIMENT MENTIONED ABOVE) if you think that your finger IS you.

It's a part of you, much like God's finger is a part of him.

My statement basically said that Ed is right and I accept that he is right IF we believe crazy things and disregard logic and language.

DO THE EXPERIMENT.

AND PLEASE ATTEMPT TO CREATE AN ARGUMENT OR A SERIES OF SCRIPTURES EXPLAINING YOUR POSITION.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2012,15:50)

Hi David, Jesus is the “HolySpirit's son(Matt.1:18, 1:20 / Luke 1:35), so of course he will be like his father. How exactly do you figure(?) that disproves Acts 5:3-4? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, I don't think it “disproves” it, but simply makes it much weaker.

If that is proof that the holy spirit is God, then we have similar “proof” that Jesus is the holy spirit. (And even that any of the heavenly spirits are the holy spirit)

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