The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2010,01:00) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,14:24) Hi KW, We know that YHWH is the Father… The Professor Hi David,              You really know NO SUCH THING! People of the religion of Judaism spell God G_d and LORD L_rd, based on not wanting to take God's Name (YHVH) in vain. (Ex.20:7) So you are inadvertently perpetuating a deception, based on fence laws. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, I am sorry that you didn't know that YHWH is God, the Father. Who is, then? The Professor

Hi David,

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Numbers relating to God(Theomatics) help promote “Bible Truth”=117!

                (117)יהוה האלהים = GOD The Father(117)

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 21 2010,03:51)

1Cr 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Hi David,

YHVH is GOD=117: 117= “יהוה האלהים”(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm!
     “Spirit of God”=117; Are 'you' now claiming 'yourself' to be that spirit?

Joshua 22:21-24 Then the children of “Reuben”(65) and the children of “Gad”(12)
and the half tribe of “Manasseh”( 80÷2=40) answered, (65+12+40=117) and said
unto the heads of the thousands of Israel,  The LORD God of gods, the LORD
God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or
if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,) That we
have built us an altar(called Ed) to turn from following the LORD, or
if to offer thereon burnt offering or meat offering, or if to offer
peace offerings thereon, let the LORD himself require it; And
if we have not rather done it for fear of this thing, saying,
In time to come your children might speak unto our children,
saying, What have ye to do with the LORD God of Israel?

                Is “Our YHVH”=117 'your God'?

AKJV Joshua 22:34: And the children of Reuben, And the children of Gad
(and half of the tribe of Manasseh (Joshua 22:11)) called the altar (עד Ed);
for [Ed] shall be a witness between us that [יהוה האלהים=117] is [“GOD”].

Numbers don’t convey ideas; but numbers can confirm ideas.
(Reuben=65 Gad=12 Manasseh=80÷2=40) [65+12+40=117].

Joshua=74(Jesus REAL Name) 22:34: And the children of Reuben
and the children of Gad called the altar “עד”=74: for “Ed”
shall be a “witness” between us that [“YHVH is GOD”=117].

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi David,

Isaiah 27:4-5 Fury is not in me(Ed J): who would set the briers and thorns
against me in battle?  I would go through them, I would burn them together.
Or let him take hold of(YHVH) my strength, that he(David) may make peace with
me(Ed J); and he shall make peace with me. (Luke 21:34-35 / 2Peter 3:10 / Mt.13:30)

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper; and every tongue
that shall rise against thee in judgment thou(Ed J) shalt condemn.  This is the heritage of the
servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith . (Is.33:14-17)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-26 / Daniel 11:18)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:45)

Hi Ed, Body = YHVH Spirit = Spirit ONE God = Elohim (noun, masc & fem, singular) The Professor

Hi David,

Have you really forgotten who God Is?

John 4:24 God is a Spirit=117: and they that
worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Ed! Go by Scriptures and not numbers, and people might believe you…. I for one don't care about your system of understanding at all…… Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 21 2010,11:36)

Ed!  Go by Scriptures and not numbers, and people might believe you…. I for one don't care about your system of understanding at all…… Irene

Hi Irene,

You talk out of both sides of your mouth; do people here believe what you say?
Do you believe what “I” say when I leave the numbers verification out?
Acts 5:29 …We ought to obey God rather than men(or women).

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (selah @ Jan. 23 2010,16:29)

Hello Kerwin, Regarding the oneness or unity of God, let us each admit that depending on which passage in Isaiah we examine, the one “with” and the one without, each causes a problem for us to prove the point we wish to make. Let us return to the proof text we started with … Deut 6:4, as it is quite clear in its wording: Hear O Israel The Lord Our God Is One Kerwin … if evidence could be provided that Deut 6:4 was not stating the oneness of God, but rather the unity of God, would you accept that scriptural evidence, or would you remain wedded to what you have been taught, and not reexamine your previous thinking? I offer the following for your consideration. 3500 years ago, Moses was inspired by God to write this passage.  Since that time, the Masoretes have faithfully transcribed this exactly as written … word for word … letter for letter.  The Jews refer to this passage as the “Shema”. In Deut 6:8 God told them to place this specific passage before their eyes and in “literal” obedience, the orthodox Jew places that passage in his phylactery (pill box) and places it upon his forehead “between his eyes”. In Matt 5:18 Jesus calls the Jew (and our) attention to seemingly insignificant details found in the writing of Moses. Not wishing to stray from our subject of the oneness or unity of God, but this particular passage contains two of those “insignificant” signs or details.  To this day, they remain a mystery to the Jew.  I will not go into it now, but there is a clear and logical explanation for these two signs, and they point directly to Jesus as their Messiah. Jesus declares Deut 6:4 to be first of all commandments to Jew and Gentile.  Mark 12:29. Hear O Israel The Lord Our God Is One Shema  Israel  Jehovah  Elohenu  Jehovah  Echad If there are any biblical Hebrew scholars here, I am sure they will confirm that there is another Hebrew word that specifically signifies one. However, Moses was not inspired to use that word in this most important passage.  Instead, he was inspired to use the word … echad. You will note in Strong's concordance #259 that echad signifies … a united one. Other meanings for this word are … alike, alone, some, together. Echad is derived from Strongs #258 meaning … to unify. If this does not convince you of the unity of God, I am afraid that nothing would, short of the conviction of the Holy Spirit. This is my final post as to the unity of God. It is my hope that you and others will think about this unusual word/sign from God to Moses, and now to present day Jew and Gentile. Blessings, selah

PLease always remember that in the Old test. LORD is always in capital letters, which measn Jehovah Gd, while Lord is always Jesus Christ, being King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Deut. 6:4 should read as Hear O Israel The LORD our God, the LORD is one. That is how you canb always tell if it is Jesus or Jehovah God….
Peace Irene

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2010,11:54)

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 21 2010,11:36) Ed!  Go by Scriptures and not numbers, and people might believe you…. I for one don't care about your system of understanding at all…… Irene Hi Irene, You talk out of both sides of your mouth; do people here believe what you say? Do you believe what “I” say when I leave the numbers verification out? Acts 5:29 …We ought to obey God rather than men(or women). Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

How do I speak out of both sides of my mouth? No my ?.?.?. what I do is asking you to give Scriptures only, that is what the Bible does, no numbers only the verses of the Books….. And I don't go by any men or Church….As far as if I believe if you leave the numbers out.  Hey I would not know since I don't even read your posts any more it disgusts me…
The Holy Spirit is part of God, not God Himself…..Please don't get my german up it can get real hariy…
Irene.
 

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 21 2010,15:04)

PLease always remember that in the Old test. LORD is always in capital letters, which measn Jehovah Gd, while Lord is always Jesus Christ, being King of Kings and Lord of Lords.   Deut. 6:4 should read as Hear O Israel The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  That is how you canb always tell if it is Jesus or Jehovah God…. Peace Irene

Hi Irene,

Rev.19:16 And he(HolySpirit) hath on his vesture and on his
thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Irene,

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words
of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Word becomes flesh to anyone given the HolySpirit! …(Rom.8:29)

Mark.13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 21 2010,15:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2010,11:54) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 21 2010,11:36) Ed!  Go by Scriptures and not numbers, and people might believe you…. I for one don't care about your system of understanding at all…… Irene Hi Irene, You talk out of both sides of your mouth; do people here believe what you say? Do you believe what “I” say when I leave the numbers verification out? Acts 5:29 …We ought to obey God rather than men(or women). Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org How do I speak out of both sides of my mouth? No my friend what I do is asking you to give Scriptures only, that is what the Bible does, no numbers only the verses of the Books….. And I don't go by any men or Church….As far as if I believe if you leave the numbers out.  Hey I would not know since I don't even read your posts any more it disgusts me… The Holy Spirit is part of God, not God Himself…..Please don't get my german up it can get real hariy… Irene.

Hi Irene,

So on the one hand you tell me not to use numbers, and on
the other you tell me you won't read my Posts anyways; right?

'Don't bother me with the facts, (Click Here)
because I already have my mind made up.'

John 15:20-21 Remember the word that I said unto you,
The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted
me(יהשוע), they will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have kept my saying,
they will keep yours also(Ed J). But all these things will they do unto you(Ed J)
for my name's sake, because they know not him(117=יהוה האלהים) that sent me.

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth.

Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) was moving over the surface of the waters.

Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Num 23:22 God (El) brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Deu 4:31 For the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) [is] a merciful God(El); he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Ruach (noun, feminine) Elohim is not YHWH (Proper noun, masculine) Elohim.

Spirit of God is not LORD God. OR feminine is not masculine.

God (El) = (noun, masculine, singular)

The Professor

[Ed J]

Hi David,

I have lined “Bible Truth”=117 up to help you to better
understand “Our YHVH”=117; the God of our fathers.

John 1:1…
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

           English        ↔    Hebrew       ↔    Greek
     “Word of God”  ↔      “God”         ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) =   (אלהים](86]     = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
         YHVH(63)      = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)    
 Spirit of God(117) = (117)יהוה האלהים = Bible Truth(117)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Ed,

Your chart has it your way, my chart has it with “W”.

As you can see below in English there are 4 ways, therefore, if you understand they are all are using English letters to denote the same 4 Hebrew letters, what is the difference, or don't you know who it is talking about? Or is it just something else to argue about without purpose? eliyah c would have something to say about this! He is for YHWH and Yahweh.

Your way to pronounce it (YÄ-hä-vā) doesn't show up ANYWHERE.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/YHWH:
YHWH – definition of YHWH by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and …
YHWH also YHVH or JHVH or JHWH  n. The Hebrew Tetragrammaton representing the name of God.

Wikipedia.com =

Hebrew Letter      name          Pronunciation
י                           Yod                 “Y”
ה                           He                   “H”
ו                           Waw                “W” or placeholder for “O”/”U” vowel (see mater lectionis)
ה                           He                    “H” (or often a silent letter at the end of a word)

The Professor

[davidbfun]

To ALL,

Please do a Hebrew word search for “Spirit of God” and look at the definition of “Spirit”.

Then come back here and put your results here:

The Professor

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:45)

Hi Ed, Body = YHVH Spirit = Spirit ONE God = Elohim (noun, masc & fem, singular) The Professor

Hi DBF,

Seems you remembered how to spell God's Name here!

      (117)יהוה האלהים = Spirit of God(117)

John 4:24 “God is a Spirit”=117: and they that
worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,06:15)

Ed, Your chart has it your way, my chart has it with “W”. As you can see below in English there are 4 ways, therefore, if you understand they are all are using English letters to denote the same 4 Hebrew letters, what is the difference, or don't you know who it is talking about? Or is it just something else to argue about without purpose? eliyah c would have something to say about this! He is for YHWH and Yahweh. Your way to pronounce it (YÄ-hä-vā) doesn't show up ANYWHERE. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/YHWH: YHWH – definition of YHWH by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and … YHWH also YHVH or JHVH or JHWH  n. The Hebrew Tetragrammaton representing the name of God. Wikipedia.com = Hebrew Letter      name          Pronunciation י                           Yod                  “Y” ה                           He                   “H” ו                           Waw                “W” or placeholder for “O”/”U” vowel (see mater lectionis) ה                           He                    “H” (or often a silent letter at the end of a word) The Professor

Hi DBF,

Are you making up 'your' own chart?
Hebrew has neither a “J” sound nor a “W” sound!
I thought you said you were learning to speak Hebrew; David(DBF)?

The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
YHVH is God's Name (יהוה) translated into English; as the Hebrew lacks vowels.

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic
linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack
of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction
in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern
advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists
alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of
Hebrew words are at risk. This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought
to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

[יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey     is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā  &  [יה] YÄ

The identity of יהוה=26 is “GOD”=26 spoken as YÄ-hä-vā: where ä sounds like
that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Repeat to all,

To ALL,

Please do a Hebrew word search for “Spirit of God” and look at the definition of “Spirit”.

Then come back here and put your results here:

The Professor

[Ed J]

To All,

Psalm 45:17 I(Ed J) will make thy name(יהוה) to be remembered in all
generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

here is some;

The Spirit Of God
by Wayne Blank

“God,” or “The Father,” is relatively easy to understand: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1 RSV) and “Is not He your Father, Who created you, Who made you and established you?” (Deuteronomy 32:6 RSV). “The Son of God” is also relatively easy to comprehend: “the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God” (Mark 1:1 RSV) and “for God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 RSV). But just what is the “Spirit of God”? Is It a “who” or is It an “It”?
The “Spirit Of God” In The Old Testament

In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word translated as “Spirit” in the term “Spirit of God” is (pronounced) roo-awkh which, surprisingly to many, literally means breath, or more specifically, exhalation, a breathing out. “Breath” may not seem to make sense as a term for Spirit until one appreciates the fact that breath represents life, a living, creative force, as plainly described in these verses in which “breath” is used as an analogy for the Spirit of God:

“then The Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7 RSV)
“for from Me proceeds the Spirit, and I have made the breath of life.” (Isaiah 57:16 RSV)

“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life” (Job 33:4 RSV)

Examples of the “Roo-awkh of God,” the knowledge and creative ability of God, from your Bible:

“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters, And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.” (Genesis 1:2-3 RSV)
“and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with ability and intelligence, with knowledge and all craftsmanship, to devise artistic designs, to work in gold, silver, and bronze, in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, for work in every craft” (Exodus 31:3-5 RSV)

The “Spirit Of God” In The New Testament

In the New Testament, the Greek word translated as “Spirit” in the term “Spirit of God” is (pronounced) new-mah and means the same thing as the Old Testament word discussed above, breath, but with a much more profound usage – the Old Testament word was generally used to refer to the creating of physical life, while the New Testament word is used to refer to the power that will, in due time, after serving as a “deposit,” or “guarantee” until then (i.e. “He has put His seal upon us and given us His Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee,” 2 Corinthians 1:22 RSV) will create eternal life.

“And when Jesus was baptized [see Baptism], He went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on Him; and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, with Whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16-17 RSV)
“the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30 RSV) (see Resurrections)

“For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God [see Children Of God].” (Romans 8:14 RSV

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