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Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2010,00:09) Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:03) Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2010,17:02) Quote (david @ July 17 2010,16:58) Hamburger is better than nothing.
Nothing is better than steak.
Therefore hamburger is better than steak.No cat has two tails.
Every cat has one more tail than no cat.
Therefore every cat has three tails.Ed, would you consider the above:
A. Logical
B. Insane
Hi David,What is this distraction suppose to accomplish?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I am attempting to establish your sanity and understanding of false thinking.I noticed you didn't answer the question.
a. logical
b. Insane.
Hi David,Your analogy is 'illogical' to the content of the thread;
it offers nothing more than a distraction away from “Truth”.Since you cannot refute “Truth”, all you offer is a distraction?
The systems of religion and traditions of men do communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Think about it David!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjbut your presentation was insane,so DAVID came to rescue you from your insanity
Pierre
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:12) Ed, I started with something that was obviously wrong (to most people) to highlight incorrect thinking. I was hoping we could leapfrog from that incorrect thinking to your thinking. But you refuse to say that the logic of those two ridiculous statements was false.
Hi David,I like the hamburger one.
Yes, and my finger does my work, just as God's “finger” or “arm” (his holy spirit) does his work.
But it is foolish to confuse my finger with myself or to say they are equal. My finger is “of” me, the “finger of David” just as the holy spirit is the “holy spirit of God” or “God's holy spirit.”
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:17) Yes, and my finger does my work, just as God's “finger” or “arm” (his holy spirit) does his work. But it is foolish to confuse my finger with myself or to say they are equal. My finger is “of” me, the “finger of David” just as the holy spirit is the “holy spirit of God” or “God's holy spirit.”
Hi David,Is that like saying your 'sperm' is responsible for you child
rather than you? Because your sperm isn't all of you?
Your logic is flawed, but you can't seem to see it?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote True David,
And if I stood on your finger I would hurt you.True Nick,
and if I cut off your finger, I would be sent to prison for killing you.Wait, that's not true. Your finger doesn't equal you. It is “of” you.
Quote Is that like saying your 'sperm' is responsible for you child
rather than you? Because your sperm isn't all of you?
Your logic is flawed, but you can't seem to see it?Apparently, I and a lot of people on here cant see it. (Just like we can't see meaning in your numbers.) The only one that at first seems to be agreeing with you is Nick, and he isn't actually agreeing with you but rather he is arguing with me for the sake of arguing because that is what Nick does with me.
To connect your analogy to your thinking, do you believe your sperm are you. Or are they a part of you, something you possess? (Couldn't you have picked a better analogy)?
David,
I agree that there is much confusion but I my am unsure whether the Spirit is a independant being that serves as God's agent on earth or if the Spirit is actually a part of God himself. From what I undestand this debate is also present in the Jewish community and it is taught that the Spirit was one of ten things created on the first day of cration and speaks with either a feminime or male voice.
I believe it is certainly worth thinking on this matter but my mind is far from seddled.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Here is what the JerwishEncyclopedia states. I find it useful for gaining knowledge though as always it is wise to test the spirit of the teachings.
Edited to repair link.
Kerwin, your link does not work.
Jewish scholars, examining the references to it in the Old Testament Scriptures, have never defined the Holy Spirit as anything but the power of God.
“Holy Spirit. Judaism. In Tanach (Jewish scripture), ruah ha-Qodesh/Kodesh is the breath of God, and thus the effective and inspiring consequence of God at work in his creation. The Holy Spirit is also known as ruah Elohim and ruah Adonai, indicating that no separate 'person' in relation to God is intended, but rather that this is the way in which God enables humans to do or say particular things.”
–http://www.religion-encyclopedia.com/H/holy_spirit.htmQuote The Spirit was among the ten things that were created on the first day (Ḥag. 12a, b). Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….v2m3HDF
What is this Hag 12:a,b. I can't find it in my Bible.
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,12:37) Quote The Spirit was among the ten things that were created on the first day (Ḥag. 12a, b). Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….v2m3HDF
What is this Hag 12:a,b. I can't find it in my Bible.
It is from the Talmund and not the Bible and thus is only an possible interpretation of scripture.David,
Sorry about the broken link. I repaired it. I tried to find your source but was unable to though I have found that others seem to also claim that Jewish Schoolars have never defined the Holy Spirit as anything other than the power of God. That is not the point I am unsure of. My conundrum is over whether the Spirit of God is a seperate entity from God or merely a part of his being such as an arm or leg is to a human.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:31) Quote Is that like saying your 'sperm' is responsible for you child
rather than you? Because your sperm isn't all of you?
Your logic is flawed, but you can't seem to see it?Apparently, I and a lot of people on here cant see it. (Just like we can't see meaning in your numbers.) The only one that at first seems to be agreeing with you is Nick, and he isn't actually agreeing with you but rather he is arguing with me for the sake of arguing because that is what Nick does with me.
To connect your analogy to your thinking, do you believe your sperm are you. Or are they a part of you, something you possess? (Couldn't you have picked a better analogy)?
Hi David,My sperm would constitute 50% of Each of my Children!
Nick simply sees truth that you apparently miss.The “HolySpirit” was 50% of Jesus makeup and at his baptism
he was filled with the 'HolySpirit” to overflowing! (John 3:34)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 17 2010,17:31) Quote Is that like saying your 'sperm' is responsible for you child
rather than you? Because your sperm isn't all of you?
Your logic is flawed, but you can't seem to see it?Apparently, I and a lot of people on here cant see it. (Just like we can't see meaning in your numbers.) The only one that at first seems to be agreeing with you is Nick, and he isn't actually agreeing with you but rather he is arguing with me for the sake of arguing because that is what Nick does with me.
To connect your analogy to your thinking, do you believe your sperm are you. Or are they a part of you, something you possess? (Couldn't you have picked a better analogy)?
Hi David,It's a great analogy! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Like 1:35)
HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!
Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me?
wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who
the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye
in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come
unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself(Amos 3:7);
but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.Matt.25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world:Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED. J,
If Jesus was conceived with a sperm and an egg then according to the practice of the Hebrew tribes Jesus would not have been a Son of David unless that sperm came from a human decendent of David.
So do you believe that the Spirit of God artificially inseminated Mary?
Jesus was David Son except that his spirit was the God's spirit of righteousness and his soul was his own.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Please note that I am not going to claim the spirit of God and God's spirit of righteousness are the same.
Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2010,18:47) ED. J, If Jesus was conceived with a sperm and an egg then according to the practice of the Hebrew tribes Jesus would not have been a Son of David unless that sperm came from a human decendent of David.
So do you believe that the Spirit of God artificially inseminated Mary?
Jesus was David Son except that his spirit was the God's spirit of righteousness and his soul was his own.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Please note that I am not going to claim the spirit of God and God's spirit of righteousness are the same.
Hi Kerwin,25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
50%: Joseph was NOT Jesus' Father; The HolySpirit was! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)At Jesus birth: Jesus was 50% God(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite and 25% from Judah!
At Jesus baptism by John the baptizer, he was filled up with the “HolySpirit” beyond measure ! (John 3:34 / Acts 10:38)Read here Kerwin: beginning with the fourth Post down
You're simply repeating a common mistake,
The Fourth and Sixth Post should help you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
So you claim Jesus was not the Son of David?
Decent is traced through the father and not the mother unless there is no father.
The people of Jesus' time did not know of genes.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2010,19:44) Ed J. So you claim Jesus was not the Son of David?
Decent is traced through the father and not the mother unless there is no father.
The people of Jesus' time did not know of genes.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,All Scripture must be carefully considered to come too the correct “Truth”!
Did you even read my Post, three Posts up? Genealogy in Hebrew is of the Male.Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms(110:1), The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou(יהשוע) on my(יהוה) right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he(Christ) then his(David's) son?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2010,19:35) Hi ED,
What percentage was Adam?
Hi Nick,I'm glad you're are finally starting to see the big picture; Nick!
The name “Adam” means “RED“! (Isaiah 1:18) (from 119 Click here)
Adam wasn't born, but Adam was created from the dust of the ground.
Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of “the dust of the ground“=230,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
'i am'=23 so these Theomatically match as zero's intensify the meaning. (Click Here)God in Hebrew is אלהים]=86] equaling “Breath [of] Life”=86
YHVH is GOD=117 also equals who gave Adam his breath
YHVH Breath=117Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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