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Quote (david @ July 15 2010,17:53) And yet, it is repeatedly referred to as God's holy spirit, as if it were something God possessed and not God himself. hmmmm.
Hi David,I showed you where the Scriptures document
the “HolySpirit” as Jesus' Father. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for him?
N.W.T. John 16:7 …but if I go my way, I will send [[[HIM]]] unto you.Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED, YOU DID not address my comment. I wonder why. I'll repeat it.
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Can you not address this point?
Quote Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for him?
N.W.T. John 16:7 …but if I go my way, I will send [[[HIM]]] unto you.Personification, meet Ed. Ed, say hello to personification.
Ed, did you know the Bible writers used personification a lot? Would you like me to give you a hundred examples?
Ahhh.. Ed, you called the Holy Spirit “He” Well done!!
So we have”
He the Father,
He the Son,
He the Holy Spirit.Cool!
Quote (david @ July 15 2010,18:15) ED, YOU DID not address my comment. I wonder why. I'll repeat it. More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Can you not address this point?
Quote Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for him?
N.W.T. John 16:7 …but if I go my way, I will send [[[HIM]]] unto you.Personification, meet Ed. Ed, say hello to personification.
Ed, did you know the Bible writers used personification a lot? Would you like me to give you a hundred examples?
Hi David,What you posted here: is 'only' the 'opinion' of the watchtower community.
The systems of religion and traditions of men do communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…
And what point do you 'think' it is that you can make to discount “Bible Truth”?Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,
before they came together (consummation), she was found with child of the HolySpirit.Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel
of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David,
fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit.Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2010,19:30) Hi ED,
Yes the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of God in creation.
But God is in heaven.
Hi Nick,Thanks for your support!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 15 2010,18:15) ED, Ed, did you know the Bible writers used personification a lot? Would you like me to give you a hundred examples?
Hi David,With reference to The “HolySpirit” you bet!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Oxy,
Of course the Spirit is of God.
To lie to the Spirit is to lie to God.[Acts5]
God is at work in us to will and to do-by His Spirit[Phil2]Quote Hi David, What you posted here: is 'only' the 'opinion' of the watchtower community.
No, ed, as I said:
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Instead of commenting on this BIBLICAL FACT, you do what many do…you start attacking the person.
Why can you not address the fact above?
Hi David,
But the Spirit, being of God, as a manifestation of God, is called GOD in us and in creation.
Ps139
Acts 17
Phil;2,
Eph3,Quote (david @ July 16 2010,09:07) Quote Hi David, What you posted here: is 'only' the 'opinion' of the watchtower community.
No, ed, as I said:
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Instead of commenting on this BIBLICAL FACT, you do what many do…you start attacking the person.
Why can you not address the fact above?
Hi David,Isn't 'your point' to try to prove that The “HolySpirit” (according
to 'your' watchtower community) is something other than God?
Look at the next Post to see how preposterous this 'idea' is?
Let's discuss the matter for the readers benefit and yours!
Posting Scriptures without making a point is unhelpful to
the readers, I suggest the point connect to Scripture.ed (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2010,10:09) Hi David,
But the Spirit, being of God, as a manifestation of God, is called GOD in us and in creation.
Ps139
Acts 17
Phil;2,
Eph3,
Thanks Nick!Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,09:07) Quote Hi David, What you posted here: is 'only' the 'opinion' of the watchtower community.
No, ed, as I said:
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Instead of commenting on this BIBLICAL FACT, you do what many do…you start attacking the person.
Why can you not address the fact above?
Hi David,Is it not a “FACT”: “that is indeed the 'opinion' of the watchtower community”?
Is 'the watchtower community' now 'a person'?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 15 2010,21:33) Quote (david @ July 15 2010,18:15) ED, Ed, did you know the Bible writers used personification a lot? Would you like me to give you a hundred examples?
Hi David,With reference to The “HolySpirit” you bet!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, I'm not certain you know what personification is. Why are you agreeing with me?Hi David,
You mean when the Spirit of God is called by scripture GOD scripture is wrong?
Or perhaps your mind needs enlarging beyond the WT prison?
Eph3.19. Phil2 .13Quote Isn't 'your point' to try to prove that The “HolySpirit” . . . is something other than God? –Ed.
My point, Ed, is to continue to point out that you refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming existence of massive amounts of scripture. You continue to ignore them and sidestep them and distract away from them. I asked you a question, and you did what everyone typically does. Why can't you just address what I said?
Here it is again:
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” etc.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29; etc.
“God's holy spirit” (Eph 4:30)
If “God's holy spirit” is “God” then is Eph 4:30 saying “God's God”? I don't think it is. I think it, like the hundred other scriptures that speak of God's spirit as something he possesses, that this scripture too, is referring to the holy spirit “of” God, or “God's holy spirit,” something that is his, something he possesses, and uses.
Quote (david @ July 16 2010,15:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2010,21:33) Quote (david @ July 15 2010,18:15) ED, Ed, did you know the Bible writers used personification a lot? Would you like me to give you a hundred examples?
Hi David,With reference to The “HolySpirit” you bet!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, I'm not certain you know what personification is. Why are you agreeing with me?
Hi David,Do you not seek agreement? (Luke 9:50)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote I showed you where the Scriptures document
the “HolySpirit” as Jesus' Father. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)–ed
This is frankly one of the top 10 most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen on this forum!
Your argument is that God is “holy” and God is a “spirit” therefore, God is “the” holy spirit.
Does anyone else think this is sound reasoning?Ps 104:4; Heb 1:14, etc–The angels are “spirits.”
The angels are also called “holy” (Deut 33:2; Jude 14)
Therefore, the angels are holy spirits.You can't just put words together like that, and especially when there is vast amounts of extremely clear scriptures that show that the two are not the same one. “God's holy spirit” is something that is “God's.”
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