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Quote (Oxy @ June 27 2010,18:35) It's this simple Ed, if I had a peace about asking Him I would, but I do not have that peace. If, on the other hand, God asked me to say something to you, I would. That has not happened so you will never know what God thinks of you…. unless of course He tells you. Better start listening.
Hi Oxy,You don't have a peace about talking about others to God?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 25 2010,20:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2010,20:17) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2010,14:34) Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2010,19:17) Ed J. …one gets a new spirit and put the old one to death. One does not put their soul to death as their soul is them.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,/
What you said here does not square with this verse…
Rom.8:16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God: (Matt.18:16)God bless
Ed J
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Ed J.,What I state squares with what Ephesians 4:20-24 as we all know the new man is the spirit of righteousness and therefore the old man is the old spirit we are to put to death. Does not Roman 6:2-7 teach us the same lesson?
I agree that God's spirit does bear witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
I am somewhat confused on the issue since there is only one Holy spirit but perhaps the answer is simply that the one type of Holy spirit and that spirit is righteous even those there are more than one exact copy of that spirit. If that is the case maybe the Spirit of God transforms our spirit into a righteous spirit and thus puts the spirit it was to death.
This last paragraph is just my path of investigation and not what I am confident of at this time. If you have insight into the solution to the dilemma I am attempting to answer feel free to share it.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Couldn't what 'you' refer to as the 'soul' actually be the 'ego';
the very thing that needs to be put to death; rather than the “Spirit”?God bless
Ed J
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Hi Kerwin,Rather than one's own Spirit, is Not the ego what needs to be put to death?
Ego: egotism, self esteem, organized conscious between the person and reality.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI thought this previous post of mine answered your question but it appears I was not clear enough.
Previously, I wrote:
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Ed J.,“Ego” is a psychological term and because of that I am not sure it exactly fits the definition of “soul” as used in scripture though there are similarities.
“Spirit” on the other hand would be closer to a combination of the id and superego. Once again I am not sure it is an exact fit.
If you look at the definitions of those terms then perhaps you will see why I am stating it is the Spirit and not the soul that must be put to death.
The superego is the portion guided by the letter of the Law while the id is the portion that is the animal instincts of the human being.
Sigmund Freud may well have been “borrowing” his ideas from scriptures and altering the names to conceal their origin.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
So to put the soul, or ego, to death would be to put you to death and thus it would be counterproductive if granting you eternal life. You could then give your body to another individual to use but that person would not be you even if they had your name.
On the other hand if you replace your spirit you would just receive a new teacher, and that teacher would train you in righteousness that will lead to eternal life, John 16:13.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2010,23:52) I thought this previous post of mine answered your question but it appears I was not clear enough. Previously, I wrote:
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Ed J.,“Ego” is a psychological term and because of that I am not sure it exactly fits the definition of “soul” as used in scripture though there are similarities.
“Spirit” on the other hand would be closer to a combination of the id and superego. Once again I am not sure it is an exact fit.
If you look at the definitions of those terms then perhaps you will see why I am stating it is the Spirit and not the soul that must be put to death.
The superego is the portion guided by the letter of the Law while the id is the portion that is the animal instincts of the human being.
Sigmund Freud may well have been “borrowing” his ideas from scriptures and altering the names to conceal their origin.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
So to put the soul, or ego, to death would be to put you to death and thus it would be counterproductive if granting you eternal life. You could then give your body to another individual to use but that person would not be you even if they had your name.
On the other hand if you replace your spirit you would just receive a new teacher, and that teacher would train you in righteousness that will lead to eternal life, John 16:13.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Rather than ones own Spirit, is Not the ego that needs to be put to death?
Egotism: the practice of talking about oneself too much,
an exaggerated sense of self importance, conceit.Rom:8:16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1Cor.6:20: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
I am of the opinion we are using different definitions for ego. The ego you speak of is part of the fruit of an impure spirit.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi KW,
Is this impure spirit in the bible or only your theology books?Unclean spirits are not of the nature of man but indwell him
Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2010,09:04) Ed J. I am of the opinion we are using different definitions for ego. The ego you speak of is part of the fruit of an impure spirit.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Why would you attribute a different definition than common English to the 'ego'?
I Posted the definition of 'ego' from Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.
Rather than our Spirit, is this NOT the 'ego' what should be put to death?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
I was using the psychological definition of a part of the psyche from reference.com and you instread and speaking of the psychological condition of self-involvement. I could not find your definition under “ego” at reference.com but it is under “egoist”.
Self involvement is definitely an act of an impure spirit which is why Jesus teaches his student/adherents to deny themselves.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2010,15:39) Ed J. I was using the psychological definition of a part of the psyche from reference.com and you instread and speaking of the psychological condition of self-involvement. I could not find your definition under “ego” at reference.com but it is under “egoist”.
Self involvement is definitely an act of an impure spirit which is why Jesus teaches his student/adherents to deny themselves.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kewrin,Is the 'themselves' that is to be denied NOT 'the ego'? (Matt.10:38-40)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
You spoke of “an exaggerated sense of self importance” and that is why I mentioned deny youself or in other words your own importance. In Jesus I am nothing so God is everything.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2010,15:12) Ed J. You spoke of “an exaggerated sense of self importance” and that is why I mentioned deny youself or in other words your own importance. In Jesus I am nothing so God is everything.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,So then you agree with me now, rather than the Spirit, the 'ego' is what needs to go?
Ed J.
I agree that you are correct that one must view themselves as nothing but I also believe acting egotistically is a behaviorism that stems from following the guidance of an impure spirit.
That impure spirit must go and that is why Jesus teaches us that we must be born again of spirit.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2010,17:59) Ed J. I agree that you are correct that one must view themselves as nothing but I also believe acting egotistically is a behaviorism that stems from following the guidance of an impure spirit.
That impure spirit must go and that is why Jesus teaches us that we must be born again of spirit.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Rather than our own, will you also agree with me that impure spirit is Lucifer/Satan?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
As Gene has said their is confusion over what a spirit is. You are correct that Satan/Lucifer is a spirit but he is a spirit because he is a native of the unseen realm. That is not the kind of spirit I am speaking of.
When I state spirit I am speaking that part of the human being that provides their guidance in life much as a steering system provides guidance for an automobile.
Satan is not the impure spirit I am speaking of but he certainly influences it by providing the maps that it follows.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,
How does the spirit you are speaking of become impure?
Ed J.
The “impure spirit” is what the Jews call the “unclean spirit” or “ruaḥ ṭum'ah” and it rests on those who seek uncleanliness. According to scripture all human beings seek uncleanliness with the possible exception of Jesus, Psalms 14:1-3. I believe this seeking after uncleanliness is what we inherited from Adam which is why all men choose to sin, Romans 5:12.
Jesus was may well of had a part of himself that also wanted to seek uncleanliness but he chose to deny it and instead follow the guidance of the Spirit of God. This is why he became the prototype of those who would follow him.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,
Will you agree with me that an impure spirit is caused by Lucifer/Satan?
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