The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Seek first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you.
So the gospel of salvation, the word of God, is sown.
Obedient faith in that message is the response.

Then knowledge can be added[2Peter1]

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,10:47)

Hi T, Seek first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you. So the gospel of salvation, the word of God, is sown. Obedient faith in that message is the response. Then knowledge can be added[2Peter1]

nick

first how you look for something you do not know??

how you fallow something unless you have knowledge about??

is the gospel not info about God way and plan ??

is a message not knowledge and obey to it would that not imply having learn about it first ??

is faith not the product of all the above

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The calling is of God though we are asked to pray that preachers are sent.
Not much knowledge is required.

Just listen to the words of Peter at pentecost.
Nothing has changed.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,12:38)

Hi T, The calling is of God though we are asked to pray that preachers are sent. Not much knowledge is required. Just listen to the words of Peter at pentecost. Nothing has changed.

nick

Peter was talking to Jews read the Acts again,

and see what peter says ;2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord

2Pe 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen

2Pe 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness

Ro 15:14 I myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another

2Co 11:6 I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way

there is more but you get the point .

[terraricca]

nick

there are more bibles on the planet than people.

[Ed J]

All,

Matt.1:18: Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was
espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.

Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,
Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Ed, Hi.

So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father?

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06)

Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father?

Hi Karmarie,

Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow
         thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God.
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.

Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,01:06)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06) Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father? Hi Karmarie, Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow          thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God. Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,23:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,01:06) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06) Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father? Hi Karmarie, Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow          thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God. Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Hi Karmarie,

The verse you quote is a reference to “Pentecost”=117.

          A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers!

Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117;
Geometry(Shapes) and Gematria(Numbers) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this “Bible Truth”=117!
“The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!

                 

Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
     Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
     The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)
     out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1)

GOD is indeed ruling: even in the midst of his enemies! (Eccl.9:12-16 / Daniel 11:18)
The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in!
“The Savior”=117 is [117=יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD); Known as “GOD The Father”=117!

                          “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13=15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,00:33)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,23:14) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,01:06) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06) Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father? Hi Karmarie, Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow          thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God. Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Hi Karmarie, The verse you quote is a reference to “Pentecost”=117.           A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers! Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117; Geometry(Shapes) and Gematria(Numbers) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this “Bible Truth”=117! “The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!                   Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),      Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.      The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)      out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1) GOD is indeed ruling: even in the midst of his enemies! (Eccl.9:12-16 / Daniel 11:18) The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in! “The Savior”=117 is [117=יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD); Known as “GOD The Father”=117!                           “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13=15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

were is that written ??in your head??

Jn 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Jn 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

reed this slowly and you may come to the real understanding of what christ is saying.

you assume many things and teach them to others with no scriptures backup. that is called OPINION NOT TRUTHS

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2010,05:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,00:33) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,23:14) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,01:06) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06) Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father? Hi Karmarie, Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow          thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God. Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Hi Karmarie, The verse you quote is a reference to “Pentecost”=117.           A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers! Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117; Geometry(Shapes) and Gematria(Numbers) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this “Bible Truth”=117! “The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!                   Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),      Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.      The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)      out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1) GOD is indeed ruling: even in the midst of his enemies! (Eccl.9:12-16 / Daniel 11:18) The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in! “The Savior”=117 is [117=יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD); Known as “GOD The Father”=117!                           “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13=15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj were is that written ??in your head?? Jn 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command. Jn 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” reed this slowly and you may come to the real understanding of what christ is saying. you assume many things and teach them to others with no scriptures backup. that is called OPINION NOT TRUTHS

Hi Terraricca,

What are you talking about?

Ed J

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,02:33)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,23:14) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,01:06) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2010,22:06) Ed, Hi. So does that mean the Holy Spirit which is here is the Father? Hi Karmarie, Luke 1:35 …The “HolySpirit“ shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow          thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God. Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Hi Karmarie, The verse you quote is a reference to “Pentecost”=117.           A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers! Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117; Geometry(Shapes) and Gematria(Numbers) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this “Bible Truth”=117! “The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!                   Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),      Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.      The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)      out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1) GOD is indeed ruling: even in the midst of his enemies! (Eccl.9:12-16 / Daniel 11:18) The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in! “The Savior”=117 is [117=יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD); Known as “GOD The Father”=117!                           “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13=15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, Hi. I get you on all of that, except this;

Quote

The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in!

We are now in the day of the Lord?

[karmarie]

2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
They will say, “Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. ….

.. the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

[karmarie]

Apart from that – I liked your posts Ed.

[stephaniedaniel]

I have studied the previous scriptures on the trinity in depth and One-ness. I believe the scriptures point to Jesus being seperate from GOD;however, there are at least two scriptures that point to JESUS AS GOD—I would like to know what others think…

REVELATION 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY. Jesus is claiming to be GOD here when he says the ALMIGHTY–am I right?

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOd, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD. CAPS MINE OF COURSE—whose blood is shed here? THE HOLY GHOSTS? It may sound stupid but I can't get past these TWO verses–MORE VERSES SHOW THEM SEPERATE: HOWEVER THESE TWO POINT CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE.

[NickHassan]

Hi and welcome SD,
The Lord is the Spirit.[2cor3]
The Father of the man Jesus is God.
His blood was shed and he is of the bloodline of God

[terraricca]

Quote (stephaniedaniel @ April 01 2010,15:00)

I have studied the previous scriptures on the trinity in depth and One-ness.  I believe the scriptures point to Jesus being seperate from GOD;however, there are at least two scriptures that point to JESUS AS GOD—I would like to know what others think… REVELATION 1:8  “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.    Jesus is claiming to be GOD here when he says the ALMIGHTY–am I right? Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOd, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.  CAPS MINE OF COURSE—whose blood is shed here?  THE HOLY GHOSTS?  It may sound stupid but I can't get past these TWO verses–MORE VERSES SHOW THEM SEPERATE: HOWEVER THESE TWO POINT CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE.

hi Stef
amen;(end of verse 7)
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty

i believe this verse applies to God the father and not Christ ,
the verse can be apply to both,
Christ has always admitted that he does nothing that his father does not do,and that the are one ,Jesus also said he do always the will of his father.

and take note that verse seven finishing with ;AMEN stating that the sentence is closed.so new person speaks.

this is the way i see it .

[Lightenup]

Quote (stephaniedaniel @ Mar. 31 2010,23:00)

I have studied the previous scriptures on the trinity in depth and One-ness.  I believe the scriptures point to Jesus being seperate from GOD;however, there are at least two scriptures that point to JESUS AS GOD—I would like to know what others think… REVELATION 1:8  “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.    Jesus is claiming to be GOD here when he says the ALMIGHTY–am I right? Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOd, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.  CAPS MINE OF COURSE—whose blood is shed here?  THE HOLY GHOSTS?  It may sound stupid but I can't get past these TWO verses–MORE VERSES SHOW THEM SEPERATE: HOWEVER THESE TWO POINT CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE.

stephaniedaniel,

Welcome, we will have to give you a nickname Most of us here have been puzzled by the trinity doctrine.

I have wrestled with the same things as you and that started 17 years ago. I have developed understanding and I will give you a glimpse and hope it encourages you.

In the OT the Son is alongside the Father as the outstretched arm (and hand). This is written about in Isaiah 53:

Isa 53:1-6
53 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
NASU

In the NT the God of Israel with the outstretched arm is called the One God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ…who is also called the Son of God and the Son of man and the only God who is at the side of the Father (John 1:18). He was the Son of God because He was the literal Son of God who was begotten before creation and by Him all things were created and also because He was conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and the power of God and no human father procreated Him when He came as a man.

Col 1:13-16
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
NASU

He was both divine and human. He was divine because He was a literal son of someone divine (the Most High God) which happened before creation and human because He emptied Himself of His power and memories and took on a body of a human baby after Mary conceived the baby supernaturally by the Holy Spirit.

As I see it, the Son had covenanted with the Father before creation to come in the flesh and perfectly fulfill the law and lay down his life to make a payment for all sin. The Son fulfilled His part of the covenant and the Father exalted the Son with power and all authority.

The Son has been the one God who has been at the Father's side since the beginning of time and left His Father's side to come to walk among men in order to fulfill the covenant. He has returned to His Father's side and presently acting as the High Priest and Mediator between the Father and mankind.

You may wonder why the Father is called the only true God and my opinion is that the Father is the source of all things and the Son is not. The Son is God because that is what would be begotten from the true God (another of the same nature as the Father).

The Holy Spirit, imo is the literal inner personal spirit of the Father, extending to the Son yet always remaining with the Father, which is then given to all believers to bring unity towards one faith, power, and the fruit of the Spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control.

So, I hope that helps! I believe in a Godhead consisting of the Father and the Son united with the Holy Spirit to represent one rule.

I do not see the Father and Son as co-equal, or co-eternal.

So, there you have it, my two cents.
Hope that helps,
Kathi/LU/Lightenup

[Is 1:18]

Quote (stephaniedaniel @ April 01 2010,15:00)

I have studied the previous scriptures on the trinity in depth and One-ness.  I believe the scriptures point to Jesus being seperate from GOD;however, there are at least two scriptures that point to JESUS AS GOD—I would like to know what others think… REVELATION 1:8  “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.    Jesus is claiming to be GOD here when he says the ALMIGHTY–am I right? Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOd, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.  CAPS MINE OF COURSE—whose blood is shed here?  THE HOLY GHOSTS?  It may sound stupid but I can't get past these TWO verses–MORE VERSES SHOW THEM SEPERATE: HOWEVER THESE TWO POINT CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE.

Hi Stephanie,
I think you're only just scratching the surface with those two verses. There any numerous passages attesting to the deity of Yeshua.

Here are just a few of them:

Zechariah 14
Zechariah 12:10
John 1:1
John 19:37
John 20:28
Philippians 2:6
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:8-10

Let me know if you need anything explained in these passages and I'll do my best.

Blessings

[Author]

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