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Hi t8,
Where did you get the idea that to be greater Jesus needed to be anointed first?
Just part of your confusion issue?
The Spirit of Christ was before John, from eternity.
Where did you get the idea that to be greater Jesus needed to be anointed first?
A man with the Spirit is greater than a man without the Spirit. John did not think he was worthy to baptise a Jesus without the Spirit as you teach, but said that Jesus should be baptising him. But what is a Jesus without the Spirit going to baptise John with?
You have some problems to work out. One of these problems is you now have to argue that a man without the Spirit can be greater than a man with the Spirit and you accuse me and others of not having this Spirit, but now I could be greater than you despite that.
The craziest part is you always go on about the Spirit or this spirit that leads you to understand that Jesus Christ didn’t come in the flesh. And now you teach that we can be greater without the Spirit because Jesus is greater than John even without the Spirit. So this normal created man was better than a man with the Spirit and we have to have the Spirit to know this so called fact. Lol.
Oh boy. It looks like you have too much rope Nick.
T8…..why have you not answered my simple question to you? I have put this to you twice already and you seem to refuse to answer it, why is that? You would have us believe you accept scriptures as they are written but do you really?
Then do you actually believe the scriptures in, Act 13:22-23, and Rev 22:16, that show JESUS CAME FROM THE “SEED” of KING DAVID? Yes or no.
Are you afraid it proves your assumption of a preexisting Jesus wrong?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Where did you get the idea that to be greater Jesus needed to be anointed first?
A man with the Spirit is greater than a man without the Spirit. John did not think he was worthy to baptise a Jesus without the Spirit as you teach, but said that Jesus should be baptising him. But what is a Jesus without the Spirit going to baptise John with?
You have some problems to work out. One of these problems is you now have to argue that a man without the Spirit can be greater than a man with the Spirit and you accuse me and others of not having this Spirit, but now I could be greater than you despite that.
The craziest part is you always go on about the Spirit or this spirit that leads you to understand that Jesus Christ didn’t come in the flesh. And now you teach that we can be greater without the Spirit because Jesus is greater than John even without the Spirit. So this normal created man was better than a man with the Spirit and we have to have the Spirit to know this so called fact. Lol.
Oh boy. It looks like you have too much rope Nick.
Good post T8!
Nick…….ask him the question I posted above and let’s see if he believes scripture as they are written or not. If scripture says clearly Jesus came from the Seed of king David, then he could not have prexisted his berth on this earth.
Let him answer that question, isn’t it interesting when scriptures are presented to him that go against his own beliefs he simply ignores them, but then tell us he believes scripture as they are written. Pure hogwash.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
The Spirit of Christ was before John, from eternity.
First and foremost all the best for the next year for all of you brothers and sister in Christ Jesus.
Nick the spirit of Christ was not before John precisely, for the simple reason that the Christ Jesus, Son of God/ Son of Man, or more precise both GOD AND MAN, BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, BOTH VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE AND SO ON AS HE SEES FIT, became the most powerful spirit ever, after He glorified in the evening of the same day of His resurrection. The fact that He was anointed by the Father and manifested this glorification when he entered through walls, apart of many stunning deeds He performed throughout the days He remained on earth as the sole sovereign spirit EVER not only on earth but over the entire existence. A deed that God the Father was and is not in the position to manifest except precisely through Christ Jesus, by which God the Father was/ is GLORIFIED! The fact that HE WAS ANOINTED AS THE CHRIST, THE FACT ALSO THE GOD THE FATHER SENT HIM. Well asserted by Jesus in
John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come,
GLORIFY YOUR SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU.
Hi Ed,
Your question is for philosophers and godless theologians.
John was a prophet and he recognised the future appointment of Jesus.
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Hi Carmel,
Acts 2.22
Men of Israel, listen to these words; Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God
with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst,
just as you yourselves know..
Wake up and ascribe the glory to his Father.
Hi All
I can’t see how you all continue to have conversions, when you know that Gene, Nick and Jodi, Are always trying to protect there doctrine that Jesus is just a man. Always talking about Jesus’s baptismal, like He’s Just a man, knowing that Joseph is not His Father. Oughta to be just a man you would have to have human parents. I got sick of it,still am. IvI’ mentioned to T8 the don’t even know they believe just like the Adoptionism- Gnostic. As far as I’m concerned I won’t cast my Phone before Swine. I’m done wasting my time with them, that’s all they know.
God bless good luck with them,
Carmel…… WELCOME to the form, this site really makes people think about what they believe.
Why not try to answer the question T8, SEEMS unable to answer. Do you believe what is written in scripture about Jesus as truth ? Found in, ACTS 13:22-23, and, Rev 22:16
T8 can not answer that question, because he believes Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth, DO YOU? And if you do, then how does you belife alien with those simple scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours ………gene
Anthony……I REALIZE YOUR VERY FOUNDATION GET SHAKEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO come to grips with the scriptures we produce for you to consider, you seem to become unraveled when confronted with what is written in scriptures, that you can’t twist to meet you false assumption. Sorry, could it be just maybe your wrong? Have you CHOSEN THE “BROAD PATH THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, THAT MANY GO IN THREAT THERE OF?, YOU need to find the “NARROW” gate and the straight path, That leads to life, “THAT FEW” , there be that find it. If you go with what the majority of So-called, “christanity” thinks, you will find you are in a ditch with them.
We, (Jodi, Nick, and I) know of where we speak. Thats not to say we don’t still need growth, but at least we do hold onto what we have come to see as the true word of God.
Peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Then do you actually believe the scriptures in, Act 13:22-23, and Rev 22:16, that show JESUS CAME FROM THE “SEED” of KING DAVID? Yes or no.e
It’s really simple Gene, the answer is of course I believe. So that is a yes. Have I not stressed the pint about Jesus Christ coming in the flesh? Why ask this question then?
God sent the Son into the world. He emptied himself and came in the flesh to partake of humanity. As a human he completed what Adam should have done and now all who are in the final Adam will live.
The prophecies spoke of a particular lineage in which the one born the Christ would be born. This in itself is a sign that Jesus is the messiah spoken of.
In short, his humanity came from the line of David according to God’s will, because Jesus Christ came in the flesh and his Father was God.
Any other questions?
Hi T8,
Still getting confused about the abilities of the prophetic Spirit?
Carnal men do.A Spirit filled person would never teach that a man without the Spirit could be much greater than a man with the Spirit.
Back to the drawing board Nick. You took a wrong corner somewhere in the past.
@anthony. I do not post to convince these guys of their error but for the sake of people who read the forums. Yes it would be good to convince them too, but that is not my primary reason for refuting their doctrines as I have realised too that people protect their pet false doctrines even when scripture clearly refutes them.
Men of Israel, listen to these words; Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God
with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst,
just as you yourselves know..
Nick,
The above is a reference to Jesus a man like all his brethren except sin! NOT TO CHRIST!
Gene:
You: Have you created another God? Have you changed the “IMAGE” OF the “MAN” Jesus into a GOD?, that makes you an IDOLATER.
Me:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Me: Christ is the image of the invisible God. He is not the image of a man. We are the image of Christ. I believe and have stated earlier that the rendering of Gen 1:26 should be:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let me make man in my image, after my likeness:
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Duet 6;4 “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!Me: This means that God is composed of the invisible part and his expression which is his image, who is the Messiah.
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Ex 3:6 He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to LOOK AT GOD,Me: Does this look like the invisible God is speaking by himself or through his image who is God.
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Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Me: God has a visible and invisible part.
You: WHY because you have another God “the man JESUS, who said he was a man and a son of man, over 100 times, even saying “When the SON OF MAN RETURNS”, that who we are looking for, but you on the other hand are looking for A GOD TO RETURN. Seem Jesus dosen’t SHARE SAME BELIFS.
Me:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
“Son of God” is mentioned about 5o times in reference to the Messiah. Click on the link above.
Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven
Me: The son of God is the son of man. This means that the son (of God) of man is the Messiah. Son means that the Messiah came directly from God and is God expressed. Your God of this world has revealed something different to you.
Gene:
You: .JESUS wasn’t the one saying , “Destory this temple and in three days I (God), shall raise ‘it’ up”. That was GOD the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth. Or haven’t you ever read , “know you not that your body “IS THE TEMPLE OD THE LIVING GOD”.
God is spirit and can live in us, he considers our bodies as temple he can live in, lik he did Jesus, Therefore it say , ” Now if the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the grave dwell in you he (GOD) shall “also”, quicken your mortal bodies”.
Me:
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him ALLthings that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Me: God quickens the dead through the Messiah who is one and the same God as he is.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even “AS” they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Me: We honor our heavenly Father when we honor the Messiah who is his image.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Me: God was speaking through his son that his son would raise up the human Jesus by the spirit of God in him. The Word in Christ did not die. God does not die. The Son of God raised up the son of Man. They are now one and the same.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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