Son of God and son of man

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..Yes I Know that, he can cohabbit or dwell in people, because he is spirit. God has spoken directly through my mouth before, and what he said completely left the person i was speaking to so confounded he couldn’t even respond with what i said, it made a complete fool out of that person, everyone there was amazed at the responce. That was not my responce, because i never even thought of it. IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD SPEAKING THROUGH ME. Remember what Jesus said about not meditating on what to say, when put on trial for his kingdom, that we should not meditate on what we were to answer because it would be given us and it would not be us speaking but holy spirit speaking “through” us.

    The same thing applied to Jesus, when he said destory this temple and in three days I (GOD) SHALL RAISE IT UP. That was the Father speaking directly through Jesus’ mouth first person.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     carmel 
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    It’s all laid out clearly in scripture Carmel,

     

    Yes for sure, and that’s what I, with the help of the Holy Spirit, hence with GOD’S WISDOM make you aware of what you cannot see with HUMAN WISDOM.

     

    Jodi, you said:

    Christ came to us not down from heaven……

    Then you also produced immediately following the scripture hereunder!

    John 6:I am the living bread WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN:….

    Explain how first you said that CHRIST DID NOT COME FROM HEAVEN then immediately following you produced a scripture which AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL

    Jesus Himself declared the OPPOSITE, which is THAT HE, JESUS CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!

    Now here are scriptures which clearly declare that Jesus PRE EXISTED obvious as a spirit, and came down from heaven.

    John1:33 And I knew him not; but HE WHO SENT ME to baptize with water, said to me:

    In the above John, THE ANGEL OF GOD, DECLARES THAT HE WAS SENT. This is a clear assertion that John existed before he was born as a man,

    John 1:15 John bears witness of him, and cries out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me:

    BECAUSE HE WAS BEFORE ME.

    In the above John, an angel SENT BY God the Father, declared that Jesus was before him, a clear to “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of man to be. By whom God create ALL.

    John1:18 No man has seen God at any time:

    THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WHO IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER., he has declared him.

    John above asserted that JESUS, despite a man on earth, is in the BOSOM of the Father. Now the Father is eternal, and Jesus must also be eternal.

    John 3:13 And no man has ascended into heaven,

    BUT HE THAT DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN,  the Son of man WHO IS N HEAVEN.

    Another affirmation that Jesus both came down from heaven, and also that in that moment in time He was still in heaven, obvious as a spirit in the bosom of the Father. Be aware that Jesus has the faculty to bilocate himself, and double Himself as He seems fit.

    John6:29 Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him

    WHOM HE HAS SENT.

    Again in the above a clear statement THE JESUS WAS SENT BY THE FATHER.

    John6:38 Because I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do my own will, but the will of him

    THAT SENT ME.

    John 6:39 Now this is the will of the Father WHO SENT ME:….40And this is the will of my Father

    THAT SENT ME:

    John 6:42 And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then said he, I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN?

    Emphatically clear that Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN and THAT HE WAS SENT.

    John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the Father;

    BUT HE WHO IS OF GOD, he has seen the Father.

    In the above Jesus made it clear that HE IS OF GOD. Hence pre-existed, eternally with God, since ALL GOD’S ENTITIES ARE ETERNAL AND ONE ESSENCE WITH HIM.

    John6:62 If then you shall see the

    SON OF MAN ASCEND UP WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?

    Again Jesus asserts THAT HE EXISTED BEFORE!

    John8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS MADE, I AM.

    Abraham was made by “THE WORD” Jesus as a spirit.

    John 9:39  And Jesus said: For judgment, I have COME INTO THE WORLD;

    John17: 5 And now glorify you me, O Father, with yourself, with the glory which I had,

    BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, with you.

    It is a clear declaration by Jesus that HE EXISTED BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

    John 14:10 Do you not believe,

    THAT I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME?

    JESUS IN THE ABOVE CONFIRMED THAT HE IS ETERNAL WITH THE FATHER

    Peace and love in Christ Jesus

    #842728
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Carmel,

    The Holy Spirit that lived in Jesus from the Jordan spoke through him.

    Heb 1

    God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son…

     

    The Pharisees did not know the voice of God either so they killed the Son.

     

    Listen to what the Spirit says.

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     t8 
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    The Spirit says that many shall depart the faith in the latter days. Some will deny that Jesus is the Christ. It seems that many do. Some outright while others say he is, but their doctrine subtly denies it.

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     carmel 
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    Hi Carmel,

    The Holy Spirit that lived in Jesus from the Jordan spoke through him.

     

    Nick,

    Your soul is talking NOT YOU.

    Your soul is the voice, and you are the word spoken

     

    The Holy Ghost, not the Holy Spirit,  was Jesus’soul.

     

    Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend MY SPIRIT. And saying this, HE GAVE UP THE GHOST.

     

    IN the above Jesus made a distinction between HIS SPIRIT, and HIS GHOST/ SOUL.

    The Holy Ghost is in actual fact Jesus’soul. A SPIRIT EMANATED BY THE FATHER IN THE VERY BEGINNING IN LUCIFER. WHO IN ACTUAL FACT WAS LUCIFER’S MIND/SPIRIT, WHILE “THE WORD” JESUS’ TO BE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WAS LUCIFER’S HEART, emanated by the Holy Spirit! LUCIFER REBELLED AND HE LOST BOTH “THE WORD” THE LIFE OF THE PHYSICAL IN HIS HEART, AND THE HOLY GHOST THE LIFE OF THE SPIRIT IN HIS MIND, AND BECAME SATAN A SPIRIT WITHOUT A KIND OF EMBODIMENT.

    THE FIRST EVER EMBODIMENT SATAN EVENTUALLY OCCUPIED WAS EVE, THE WOMAN. IMMEDIATELY ON HER SIN.

    Now “THE WORD” and the Holy Ghost were both born AS  MAN JESUS in His FLESH BODY, THE SON OF MAN, and  HIS SOUL AS SON OF GOD, respectively, simply to eliminate Satan from humanity. Thus both of them ON THE CROSS, SON OF MAN/SON OF GOD, UNITED and GLORIFIED  TWO IN ONE SPIRIT!

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON

    JESUS CHRIST

    Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father.

    Peace and love in Christ Jesus.

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