JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51)

you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes

Jammin,

Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature.
Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind.

I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind.

There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,17:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,05:17) PS. I do know the meaning of Malachi 3:6. thanks for saying that you do not understand mal 3.6 it only proves  you are a false teacher.

How so?

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,19:51)

did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL

Hi Jammin,

What you seem to be saying is:
“GOD” (who is the Father) is also the son.
But no-where in Scripture does it say this claim?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ…………That is right no where in scripture does it say God the Father and Jesus are one and the same person.

Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,03:51)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51) you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes Jammin, Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature. Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind. I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind. There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion.

what is the confusion?

you believe that you and your father have the same nature.

accept also that christ and his father have the same nature, they are both God.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,06:06)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,19:51) did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL Hi Jammin, What you seem to be saying is: “GOD” (who is the Father) is also the son. But no-where in Scripture does it say this claim? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i did not say that. are you blind? lOL

you do not know how to understand english.

the father is not the son. but they have the same nature, God.
they are both GOD>

just like you and your father. you are both HUMAN by nature/.

[GeneBalthrop]

Jamming……….So being scripture and Jesus says we are Gods children to , does tha also mean we to have that same nature in us also. brethren know you not that “NOW” you are the 'sons of God”.

Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 19 2013,19:18)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,03:51) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51) you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes Jammin, Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature. Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind. I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind. There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion. what is the confusion? you believe that you and your father have the same nature. accept also that christ and his father have the same nature, they are both God.

Jammin,

There is only one God and that God is Yahweh.
There are not two Gods as you seem to be claiming.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12)

Christ is not the father. of course that is what the bible says.

Actually, the Bible says that Jesus is the Messiah, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Holy One OF God, jammin.

If Jesus was just ONE of these things OF God, it would be clear to all sensible people that Jesus couldn't possibly BE the God he was that thing OF.  But there isn't just ONE of these things, jammin.  There are probably a DOZEN things that Jesus is OF God.

If I was the priest OF the President, it would be clear to you and everyone else that I wasn't the President himself.  And it wouldn't matter one bit whether or not I and the President shared the same nature.  I STILL wouldn't BE the President that I was the priest OF.

How could you have let yourself be so misled on such a simple, common sense thing such as this?  I sometimes wonder if Trinitarians even have a brain in their head, jammin.  For crying out loud man, Jesus is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind.

jammin, is Jesus God Most High, or the Son OF God Most High? Which one does scripture say?

And no, you can't SENSIBLY say that Jesus is God Most High AND the Son of God Most High. But you will say it anyway, won't you? And what can any of us possibly do except roll our eyes in bewilderment, and pray that God some day removes the blinders that Satan has put on you.

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:

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Jesus is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind.

Mike,

Reflect:

Jesus( AS A SPIRIT) is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind.( FLESH BEINGS)

SINCE GOD, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN US CHRISTIANS!

DO YOU AGREE IN THE ABOVE?

PLEASE!

Explain BOTH if you DO and if you DON'T!!!  

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[jammin]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 20 2013,03:40)

Jamming……….So being scripture and Jesus says we are Gods children to , does tha also mean we to have that same nature in us also. brethren know you not that “NOW” you are the 'sons of God”. Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

do not compare it to christ.

Christ is the ONLY SON OF GOD. do you understand that?

believers became sons of God bec they received God and God gave them the right to become his children

John 1:12

New International Version (NIV)

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:08)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 19 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,03:51) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51) you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes Jammin, Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature. Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind. I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind. There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion. what is the confusion? you believe that you and your father have the same nature. accept also that christ and his father have the same nature, they are both God. Jammin, There is only one God and that God is Yahweh. There are not two Gods as you seem to be claiming.

i did not say two Gods.
they only have ONE nature and that is their nature God.
Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

do you have two natures \kerwin??

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,14:19)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12) Christ is not the father. of course that is what the bible says. Actually, the Bible says that Jesus is the Messiah, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Holy One OF God, jammin. If Jesus was just ONE of these things OF God, it would be clear to all sensible people that Jesus couldn't possibly BE the God he was that thing OF.  But there isn't just ONE of these things, jammin.  There are probably a DOZEN things that Jesus is OF God. If I was the priest OF the President, it would be clear to you and everyone else that I wasn't the President himself.  And it wouldn't matter one bit whether or not I and the President shared the same nature.  I STILL wouldn't BE the President that I was the priest OF. How could you have let yourself be so misled on such a simple, common sense thing such as this?  I sometimes wonder if Trinitarians even have a brain in their head, jammin.  For crying out loud man, Jesus is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind. jammin, is Jesus God Most High, or the Son OF God Most High?  Which one does scripture say? And no, you can't SENSIBLY say that Jesus is God Most High AND the Son of God Most High.  But you will say it anyway, won't you?  And what can any of us possibly do except roll our eyes in bewilderment, and pray that God some day removes the blinders that Satan has put on you.

Christ is the SON!
how many times do i need to tell you this mike?
are not you taking your vitamins on time? LOL

you must remember that HIS SON IS ALSO LIKE HIM. the son is GOD by nature.

example,
you are your father's son. BUT YOU ARE A MAN JUST LIKE YOUR FATHER

your father is a MAN. you are also A MAN by nature.
maybe you cant accept this truth bec you are an animal by nature mike LOL

what do you think? LOL

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:57)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,17:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,05:17) PS. I do know the meaning of Malachi 3:6. thanks for saying that you do not understand mal 3.6 it only proves  you are a false teacher. How so?

bec your explanation is not in the bible. sorry boy . i gave you version and commentaries about mal 3.6 and it all support my view

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,14:19)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12) Christ is not the father. of course that is what the bible says. Actually, the Bible says that Jesus is the Messiah, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Holy One OF God, jammin. If Jesus was just ONE of these things OF God, it would be clear to all sensible people that Jesus couldn't possibly BE the God he was that thing OF.  But there isn't just ONE of these things, jammin.  There are probably a DOZEN things that Jesus is OF God. If I was the priest OF the President, it would be clear to you and everyone else that I wasn't the President himself.  And it wouldn't matter one bit whether or not I and the President shared the same nature.  I STILL wouldn't BE the President that I was the priest OF. How could you have let yourself be so misled on such a simple, common sense thing such as this?  I sometimes wonder if Trinitarians even have a brain in their head, jammin.  For crying out loud man, Jesus is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind. jammin, is Jesus God Most High, or the Son OF God Most High?  Which one does scripture say? And no, you can't SENSIBLY say that Jesus is God Most High AND the Son of God Most High.  But you will say it anyway, won't you?  And what can any of us possibly do except roll our eyes in bewilderment, and pray that God some day removes the blinders that Satan has put on you.

you know what mike. your doctrine is funny. LOL

btw before reading this, understand first my first answer to you.

i know you believe Christ is God. LOL
but from your statement now, i think you are believing that Christ is not God but just a MAN.

i thought you believe in the pre existence of Christ before he came to earth. LOL

before you believe Christ is a god. and then you changed it to God. you believe Christ is now God (not a god) but NOT GOD (bec you believe that this capital G O D is the father).

you are making god, God, and GOD.
LOL

what a funny doctrine mike LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,21:29)

Christ is the SON! how many times do i need to tell you this mike?

Hi Jammin,

GOD is his Christ's father.
Christ is the Son OF GOD!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,16:27)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:08) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 19 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,03:51) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51) you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes Jammin, Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature. Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind. I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind. There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion. what is the confusion? you believe that you and your father have the same nature. accept also that christ and his father have the same nature, they are both God. Jammin, There is only one God and that God is Yahweh. There are not two Gods as you seem to be claiming. i did not say two Gods. they only have ONE nature and that is their nature God. Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; do you have two natures \kerwin??

Jammin,

Your example of what you mean by “nature” is of two humans.

You are now back up and state “nature” does not mean kind.

Anyone that has received the Spirit has the nature of flesh and the nature of the Spirit.

But you still seem to be attempting to use “nature” to mean kind by declaring that Jesus is both of the kind God and the kind human. A mixture of two kinds is a hybrid.

I do not believe are claiming Jesus is a hybrid. Instead I believe you are claiming he is completely human in kind and therefore not Yawheh in kind while at the same time being completely Yawheh in kind and therefore not human in kind.

That doctrine contradicts itself.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,02:57)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,21:29) Christ is the SON! how many times do i need to tell you this mike? Hi Jammin, GOD is his Christ's father. Christ is the Son OF GOD! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

yes but that is not the whole truth

the son is also God just like his father.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,07:00)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,16:27) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:08) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 19 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,03:51) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,14:51) you are confused bec you dont know the real God,. of course the father is not the son. did i say that the father is also the son? of course not LOL the father is not the son the son is not the father BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME NATURE, GOD. example, you and your father. you are not your father. but you have the same nature, MAN. one nature< MAN. you are not alien and man. you are a MAN. you only have one nature and that is your human nature. Christ and his father are two in numbers. two persons but one in essence or nature, God. that is the true teachings of the bible. you can read john 1.1-14 phil 2.6 read it ask knowledge from God. may God open your eyes Jammin, Let us use you example of myself and my father being of the same nature. Let us also use your definition of nature being equal to kind. I am the same kind as my father; but then there is more than one of our kind. There is only one of Yahweh's kind and Yawheh is that one.  There is simply no place for Jesus to be a second one of Yahweh's kind.  You are claiming 2=2 in a place that only has room for 1. That is confusion. what is the confusion? you believe that you and your father have the same nature. accept also that christ and his father have the same nature, they are both God. Jammin, There is only one God and that God is Yahweh. There are not two Gods as you seem to be claiming. i did not say two Gods. they only have ONE nature and that is their nature God. Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; do you have two natures \kerwin?? Jammin, Your example of what you mean by “nature” is of two humans.   You are now back up and state “nature” does not mean kind. Anyone that has received the Spirit has the nature of flesh and the nature of the Spirit. But you still seem to be attempting to use “nature” to mean kind by declaring that Jesus is both of the kind God and the kind human.  A mixture of two kinds is a hybrid. I do not believe are claiming Jesus is a hybrid. Instead I believe you are claiming he is completely human in kind and therefore not Yawheh in kind while at the same time being completely Yawheh in kind and therefore not human in kind. That doctrine contradicts itself.

that is what the bible says/
the nature of the son is God.
Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

he came to earth. God (not the father but the son) manifested in the flesh

let me post the NKJV (the favorite version of ed and kerwin)
1 Timothy 3:16

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

who is that God? as i have said, that God is Christ (son)

do we have proof to that?
let me post again 1 tim 3.16 using other version
1 Timothy 3:16

New Life Version (NLV)

16 It is important to know the secret of God-like living, which is: Christ came to earth as a Man.

that is very clear kerwin. the SON is also God just like his father. they have the same essence/nature.

2 persons (christ and his father) but ONE nature or essence (God).

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 21 2013,13:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,02:57) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,21:29) Christ is the SON! how many times do i need to tell you this mike? Hi Jammin, GOD is his Christ's father. Christ is the Son OF GOD! God bless Ed J yes but that is not the whole truth the son is also God just like his father.

Hi Jammin,

Since God is Jesus' father, and Mary
is Jesus' mother, that would make
Jesus 50% God and 50% Human.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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