JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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     mikeboll64 
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    Yes Nick.

    And I realize you have stumbled, and I'm trying to help you back up again.

    Is your answer, “Yes Mike, Jesus was talking about re-sending HIMSELF after he ascended to heaven” ?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi MB,
    Resending?

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     942767 
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    Hi:

    The Word is that which God has spoken. God has spoken to us in various and sundry ways by His Spirit through the prophets, and has in this last days spoken to us through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. The Spirit of Christ is the anointed Word of God that Jesus obeyed even unto death on the cross.

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    1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

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    2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #279511
     NickHassan 
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    Hi MB,
    Romans 8 and Jm 14-16 are for those reborn of the Spirit and who know the ways of the Spirit.

    In many ways the one Spirit that unifies men to God in Christ is spoken of according to roles and abilities supplied to the Body.

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     mikeboll64 
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    Let me try again with bolded letters:

    Nick,

    In John 16, Jesus speaks of a “him” that he will send when he gets to heaven.

    Jesus says this “him” will bring glory to him. He says this “him” will take of what is his.

    This is the same “him” that will speak only what he hears, and will speak for the disciples in front of the courts and governors.

    I've always assumed this “him” to be the Holy Spirit of God. (In fact, I think it is spelled out that way in a scripture or two.)

    1. Do you think Jesus is referring to himself, and calling himself “him”?

    2. Do you think that Jesus is saying when he gets to heaven, he will re-send HIMSELF?

    Nick, I would like your ANSWERS to these questions – as those answers will shed even more light upon your flawed understanding.

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,11:44)
    Hi T,
    Don't stumble.
    Follow the light.


    Nick

    sorry I did not see this one ,it must have been in the dark,but then light came and i saw it ,

    so Nick stick to scriptures they words of live

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Those who know Christ Jesus in the Spirit will understand Jn14-16
    He is in heaven with his Father but we can fellowship with them[1Jn1.3, 2Jn]

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,17:34)
    Hi MB,
    Romans 8 and Jm 14-16 are for those reborn of the Spirit and who know the ways of the Spirit.

    In many ways the one Spirit that unifies men to God in Christ is spoken of according to roles and abilities supplied to the Body.


    Nick

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    In many ways the one Spirit that unifies men to God in Christ is spoken of according to roles and abilities supplied to the Body.

    my old vicar (Catholic) use to tell that, I never believe him

    TO MANY MISSING PARTS

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,17:53)
    Hi,
    Those who know Christ Jesus in the Spirit will understand Jn14-16
    He is in heaven with his Father but we can fellowship with them[1Jn1.3, 2Jn]


    NICK

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    He is in heaven with his Father but we can fellowship with them[1Jn1.3, 2Jn]

    how can men do that I mean fellowship with God and his son ,

    they are after all in heaven right ???

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,17:29)
    Hi MB,
    Resending?


    Nick

    re sending = like goes up what came down

    #279537
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t,
    In the Spirit.

    God shared His Spirit with His Son who gives that Spirit to us.
    We are now temples of the Holy Spirit[ 1Cor3.17, 1cor6.16]
    True worshippers worship in spirit and in truth[Jn4]
    We can speak in our hearts with them.[mt 6.6]

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     mikeboll64 
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    Pierre,

    Perhaps Nick will someday come to see all the holes in his understanding.  

    One day, he will be reading in John 6 about how Jesus said he came down from heaven and some would see him ascend to where he WAS BEFORE.

    Or, he will be reading Col 1, and notice how all things in heaven and earth were created through the only begotten Son of God that he says didn't even exist until he was baptised.

    Or in Phil 2, where it is made clear that Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made into the likeness of a human being.

    I pray that God helps him to understand that Hebrews 1 teaches that in these last days, God spoke through the same one through whom He created the universe.

    But we can only lead the horse to the water, Pierre – we cannot force it to drink..

    Anyway, I've grown bored of his condescending non-answers.

    peace and love,
    mike

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T,
    If you want all the boxes ticked you will never be satisfied.
    God's ways are not our ways.

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,18:02)
    Hi t,
    In the Spirit.

    God shared His Spirit with His Son who gives that Spirit to us.
    We are now temples of the Holy Spirit[ 1Cor3.17, 1cor6.16]
    True worshippers worship in spirit and in truth[Jn4]
    We can speak in our hearts with them.[mt 6.6]


    Nick

    that is what all religion are saying quoting that same scriptures

    so this is not it right ??

    what would be the truth ?/ I mean the real truth of God ??

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,18:26)
    Pierre,

    Perhaps Nick will someday come to see all the holes in his understanding.  

    One day, he will be reading in John 6 about how Jesus said he came down from heaven and some would see him ascend to where he WAS BEFORE.

    Or, he will be reading Col 1, and notice how all things in heaven and earth were created through the only begotten Son of God that he says didn't even exist until he was baptised.

    Or in Phil 2, where it is made clear that Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made into the likeness of a human being.

    I pray that God helps him to understand that Hebrews 1 teaches that in these last days, God spoke through the same one through whom He created the universe.

    But we can only lead the horse to the water, Pierre – we cannot force it to drink..

    Anyway, I've grown bored of his condescending non-answers.

    peace and love,
    mike


    Mike
    But we can only lead the horse to the water, Pierre – we cannot force it to drink..
    :D  :D  :D so true

    yeah ,see what happen

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,18:28)
    Hi T,
    If you want all the boxes ticked you will never be satisfied.
    God's ways are not our ways.


    Nick

    this is religious rhetoric to buzz of hard questions what you can not answer,

    #279554
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t,
    Best not to play in the backyard of theologians.
    Their measures are too different

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,03:45)
    Hi ED,

    The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God yet one with the Spirit of God.


    Hi Nick,

    I agree with you in this post! They are
    different, but they are one. (Rom.8:16)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,04:04)
    John 16
    7 Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

    Did Jesus mean to say that after HE goes, he will send HIMSELF back to them?  Because the word “him” that Jesus used makes me think that the Counselor is not Jesus himself.

    13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

    Jesus uses “he” alot in these verses, but the part I bolded should be enough for you to recognize that the spirit is not Jesus himself.


    Hi Mike, here's what he said…

    John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again,
    a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #279672
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ED,
    Yes those with spiritual eyes SAW Him.

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