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Hi DT,
YOU: I’ve already said all I can;
all you have given me are man’s opinions and reasonings for why Jechoniah is listed.
ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?
Also, the prophecy need mean no more than Jeconiah’s immediate sons wouldn’t be kings because the Babylonian Exile would go on for too long (cf. Jer. 22:25–28).
READ AGAIN!
THEN GIVE ME YOUR OPINIONS, AND REASONINGS, AND CONTRADICT WHAT TO ME IS THE TRUTH REGARDING JECONIAH’S INCLUSION IN MATTHEW’S JESUS GENEALOGY.
https://jewsforjesus.org/learn/the-genealogy-of-the-messiah
The purpose of Matthew’s genealogy is to show why Yeshua could not be king if
he were REALLY Joseph’s son.
The purpose was not to show the royal line.
For this reason, Matthew starts his Gospel with the genealogy,presents the Jeconiah problem,
and then proceeds with the account of the VIRGIN BIRTH which, from Matthew’s viewpoint,
is the solution to the Jeconiah problem.
In summary, Matthew deduces that if Jesus were REALLY Joseph’s son, he could not claim to sit on David’s throne because of the Jeconiah curse;
but Jesus was not Joseph’s son,
for he was born of the virgin Miriam.Matthew 1:18Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20But while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost.
You: The writer of Matthew messed up by putting Jechoniah in the lineage of Jesus; and when one begins testing and verifying the words being claimed as truth, Christianity begins to fall apart.
ME: ISN’T THAT ALSO YOUR OPINION AND REASONING?
TO ME JECONIAH’S PROBLEM IS OVER AND DONE WITH!
Luke’s genealogy did not include Jeconiah’s line, PLUS he began his Gospel with the virgin birth, and only later, in describing Yeshua’s public ministry, recorded his genealogy.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Me: I’ve already said all I can; all you have given me are man’s opinions and reasonings for why Jechoniah is listed.
You: ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?
Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness and his lineage was restored to David’s throne and listed as a descendant of Jesus. Even if we were to write this off and say Matthew is giving the genealogy accounts to Jesus, God explicitly says “for none of his offspring shall succeed in sitting on the throne of David and ruling again in Judah.” If this passage were to only mean Jechoniah’s immediate sons wouldn’t sit on David’s throne, explain how the descendants of a king who has been dethroned have successors to the throne; hasn’t that king’s dynasty ended? YET, Jesus is suppose to sit on the throne of David.
What you post from Jews for Jesus is comedy gold! “Matthew deduces that if Jesus were REALLY Joseph’s son, he could not claim to sit on David’s throne because of the Jeconiah curse; but Jesus was not Joseph’s son, for he was born of the virgin Miriam.” Read Numbers 1:2, men were to be counted with their fathers house; not their mothers. To use Mary as the lineage to the tribe of Judah fails because it doesn’t align with what God said.
Let’s go one step further, knowing the sons are to be counted with their fathers house, Jesus didn’t have an “earthly father”, he was conceived of the spirit and would therefore not be of the tribe of Judah. To ignore this evidence is calling God a liar. Another “truth” that’s really a lie.
You: THEN GIVE ME YOUR OPINIONS, AND REASONINGS, AND CONTRADICT WHAT TO ME IS THE TRUTH REGARDING JECONIAH’S INCLUSION IN MATTHEW’S JESUS GENEALOGY.
Me: I’ve already explained why Jesus can’t sit on David’s throne and am repeating myself above, but you don’t like what I am telling you and the merry-go-round ride begins.
Me: The writer of Matthew messed up by putting Jechoniah in the lineage of Jesus; and when one begins testing and verifying the words being claimed as truth, Christianity begins to fall apart.
You: ISN’T THAT ALSO YOUR OPINION AND REASONING?
Me: I have presented zero opinions, only facts based on the words written; words you don’t wish to verify. How much verification have you done of the NT or is there no need to verify anything stated within its pages because it’s 100% “truth”? Curious, did you ever read Isaiah chapter 7 and does verse 14 point to Jesus?
If this “problem” is settled for you, why keep bringing it up? For me, I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t verify the words and opinions of man against the truths spoken by God.
You: Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness
ME: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY OF NATHAN!
ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.
This is also also in contrast to Matthew, as Luke begins his genealogy with his own time and goes back into history all the way to Adam. THE SON OF GOD!
It comes to the family of David in verses 31-32. However, the son of David involved in this genealogy is not Solomon but Nathan. So, like Joseph,
Miriam was a member of the house of David.
But unlike Joseph, she came from David’s son, Nathan, not Solomon.
This is prophesied in
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Miriam was a member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah. Since Jesus was Miriam’s son, he too was a member of the house of David, apart from Jeconiah.
In this way Jesus fulfilled the biblical requirement for kingship.
However, Jesus was not the only member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah.
NOW DT, There were a number of other descendants who could claim equality with Yeshua to the throne of David,
for they too did not have Jeconiah’s blood in their veins.
Why Jesus and not one of the others? At this point the second biblical requirement for kingship,
that of divine appointment, comes into the picture.
Of all the members of the house of David apart from Jeconiah, only one received divine appointment.
Luke 1:30-33 states:
And the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Miriam; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Yeshua. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.’
On what grounds then could Jesus claim the throne of David?
He was a member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah.
He alone received a divine appointment to that throne:
“The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.”
You: Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness
IT IS NO USE TO KEEP ON DISCUSSING THE JECONIAH CASE!
YOU ARE WRITING IN WATER!
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE!
NEVERTHELESS READ HEREUNDER:
Jeremiah 22:30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless,
a man that shall not prosper IN HIS DAYS:….
WHAT THE PHRASE “IN HIS DAYS “ IS TELLING YOU?
CONSIDERING
THAT THERE ARE THREE PARTS TO THE CURSE ON JECONIAH:
that he would be childless
that he would not prosper in his lifetime
that none of his descendants would rule in JudahWhile the Scripture shows that in fact none of these took place.
ALSO WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FROM THE REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE AGAIN????
NOW FOCUS ON THE WORD “TEMPLE”
Go ahead and read all the details that I posted in the previous posts!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
DT, you said…..>Let’s not forget his forked tongue in I Cor 15:3-4 where he says “according to scripture.” Of course all of christendom says Isa 53 is your answer; what about the second part of Paul’s statement? Where does it say the messiah was to be buried and raised up on the third day?
me…..> Jesus said it himself,……Mat 12:40……>“for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whales belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”. , not to even mention the other scripture in the book of Psa 16:10…..> For thou will not leave my soul (body & spirit) in hell (the grave) ; neither will you (God) suffer your “HOLY ONE ” to see corruption.
DT, you rejecting this fact, that Jesus was in the Grave three days and three nights, proves to us you not only reject Brother Paul, but you reject Jesus Christ’ very own words that He said, you also are rejecting the words of all the Apostles as well.
‘O’ and by the way DT, I have a Rabbi, his name is “JESUS CHRIST” , who you are rejecting, not to mention his Apostle’s, including Paul. If you reject Jesus, you reject his Apostles, and you also reject the one who sent them all, (God the Father), IMO
Repent DT, don’t let your, “pride” and “arrogance ” cut you off.
peace and love to you and yours DT……….gene
You: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY OF NATHAN!
ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.
Me: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.
What part of Numbers 1:2 escapes your understanding? Did you even go look it up before you made this “statement” of justification?!? Let me give you the passage for your reading enjoyment:
Num 1:2 “Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, by families following their fathers’ houses; a head count of every male according to the number of their names.”
following their fathers’ houses: If one’s father was from one tribe and his mother from another tribe, he is counted with his father’s tribe. Lineage ran through the father and NOT the mother. The mother has NOTHING to do with lineage, so to say Jesus’ lineage back to David ran through his mother is pure ignorance of what God established through Moses! This justification of Jesus’ lineage through Mary is a lie; but, how would anyone know when virtually no one knows what the Hebrew bible says because it’s “irrelevant” and as you say “obsolete.” Guess if it’s “obsolete” you will believe anything you’re told.
This creates another problem, since Jesus was conceived of the spirit, he didn’t have an “earthly” father and could therefore not be of the tribe of Judah, be the messiah, nor able to sit on David’s throne. This simple truth obliterates christianity; truth can never be based on a lie. So how can everything after this point be true?
Instead of relying on the “christian” world to tell you what the Hebrew bible says, you may want to seek the understanding of the people who were given those words and listen to what they have to say first. Weren’t the Israelite people told they would be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation?
What does it mean to be “circumcised of the heart”?
If physical circumcision means nothing why does God say “Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Every foreigner uncircumcised of heart and uncircumcised of flesh shall not come into my sanctuary—not any of the foreigners who are in the midst of the Israelites.” (Ez 44:9) This is the “walk through” of the third temple in Jerusalem. Paul teaches against God.
@Gene,
Where do I begin with this butchering of God’s word?
You have NEVER answered the important question of who is speaking where in Isa 52:13-53:12. Jonah isn’t a prophecy about Jesus; he was a prophet to the city of Nineveh. Jesus only made a correlation to Jonah “as Jonah…so will…for three days and three nights”; except Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath and “raised” on the first day of the week. I only count two nights, not three…oh wait, later in the gospels it was changed to three day and the night portion dropped off. What do we do with that?!?
You quote Ps 16:10; did you read the entire Psalm or are you just “cherry picking” one verse of the eleven to prove your theology? The Psalm was written by David speaking of his trust and confidence in God. Where in any of this Psalm did you get a “prophecy” of Jesus? And you accuse me of “cherry picking”!! What in the NT have you verified against the Tanakh for truth? Your Ps 16:10 reference is a prime example of not verifying.
You: you rejecting this fact, that Jesus was in the Grave three days and three nights, proves to us you not only reject Brother Paul, but you reject Jesus Christ’ very own words that He said, you also are rejecting the words of all the Apostles as well.
Me: I reject falsehoods, not facts; I just gave you facts; will you verify them or not? Read what I posted to Carmel in post #946175; can truth have a firm foundation on a lie? As I have already told you, I have walked away from “christianity” because of the corruption within the pages of the NT. Test the words written within it’s pages and do they align with what God said.
You: Repent DT, don’t let your, “pride” and “arrogance ” cut you off.
Me: Back to me having to repent; repent of what!?!? Turning to God alone? Realizing salvation is from God and not thru or because of anyone? Turning from idolatry (placing a “mediator” between me and God)? Then you accuse me of “pride” and “arrogance”, because I rejected the Jesus? Prove to yourself the OT messiah match the NT messiah. So until you have done what I’m suggesting, stop with the accusations and judgmental attitude and seek God’s truth.
You: Realizing salvation is from God and not thru or because of anyone?
Me: Did God save the Israelites from Egypt through Moses?
Your answer to that question will be the answer to your statement.
@Danny,
Are you kidding me!! Did Moses ever claim to be the “Son of God”? He was a prophet to the people of Israel. God used Moses to “lead” the people of Israel and was not a conduit for “salvation” (the people were “delivered” out of Egypt, “saved” wouldn’t be the correct word choice); in fact Moses tried to take the sins of the people on himself and God said NOPE, the sinner was to be responsible for their own sins; salvation still comes from God and not thru anyone.
Explain how David received salvation when the Jesus wasn’t there? How did anyone receive salvation prior to the Jesus showing up? God said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and your sin will be remembered no more. The NT teaches grace and mercy and we only have that because of the Jesus; our “mediator between God and man.” If salvation can be received thru another, give me passages from the Tanakh that support this claim.
DT……you got your, “true facts” , wrong, Jesus did not die on Friday, He died on a Wednesday around 3:00 pm, just before the night of the Passover, Thursday was the passover night to be much remembered a “holy day’’, in which no work could be done, Friday was the pass over celebration day no work could be done, Saturday was the Weekly Sabbath day , no work could be done. If you count from Thursday to Saturday, you get exactly three days and three nights. When Mary came to the tomb early Sunday morning, Jesus had already been resurrected from the grave.
Jesus actually rose around 3:00 pm SATURDAY AFTERNOON. He did not raise Sunday morning. That is simply another false modern religious assumption.
So you are right about the way they (modern religion) count it, but the “true way” to count it shows exactly what Jesus and his apostles said. Jesus, was in the grave three days and three nights. There is even a scripture that says , the the Messiah would be cut off in the midest of the week, that’s Wednesday. Need it? I’ll find it for you if you like, and that’s in the Old Testament by the way.
By the way, can you show us “any scripture” in the New Testament that says Jesus died on a Friday and rose on a Sunday morning, show us any scripture that denies Jesus wasn’t in the grave three day and three nights, there is none that I know of.
So all you ranting about trying to prove the New Testament, wrong, by sighting things that fallen Christianity says , is futile, IMO.
peace and love to you and yours DT………gene
@Gene,
You: Jesus actually rose around 3:00 pm SATURDAY AFTERNOON. He did not raise Sunday morning. That is simply another false modern religious assumption.
Me: Not really an assumption when Mark 16:9 says “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week” So Mark’s account is another lie I can put down for why the NT is not God’s word. Tell me that was a typo! If this isn’t a typo, run from whoever is teaching you!
You: So all you ranting about trying to prove the New Testament, wrong, by sighting things that fallen Christianity says, is futile
Me: The NT proves itself wrong; I’m just starting to see it. So when christianity doesn’t agree with your religion it’s “fallen”?
No thoughts on Ps 16?
Hi DT,
Because of Corinth’s actions regarding false apostles, to which Paul specifically outlined to them, Paul let’s them know that he now does not want their funds but he still wants to continue serving them. Paul let’s them know that this makes him feel like he is robbing other churches, as he needs the funds that other churches have supplied in order to serve Corinth.
When we know for a fact when reading the word “robbed” that Paul hadn’t actually robbed anyone, we know the context, Corinth is making Paul FEEL LIKE he is robbing other churches.
If you were a church that gave to support a ministry and knew your minister bragged about your giving where it inspired other churches to give, that would feel good.
If you are now a church where your minister is upset with you for putting up with false apostles, so much so that he now doesn’t want to even touch your money under these circumstances, that should make you feel bad, which you deserve.
If your minister still wants to serve you but points out to you that he must use the funds from other churches now to do so, that should also make you feel bad. Because of your actions your minister feels like he’s robbing from other churches in order to serve you, that should make you feel bad, which you deserve.
Providing the clear circumstances and situation gained from the text does not equate to dancing around DT, ignoring it actually does.
You: If salvation can be received thru another, give me passages from the Tanakh that support this claim.
Me: We gave you Isaiah 53 many many times now.
No sinful nation could ever fulfill Isaiah 53.
Only God’s Son, Jesus Christ, the sinless Lamb of God could and did.
That’s clear for everyone with eyes to see.
It’s sad that you simply refuse to accept the truth.@Danny,
You can say Isa 53 is the “proof” Jesus paid for mankind’s sins and in doing so we have “salvation” all you want; but can you explain what’s happening in the chapter verse by verse? Who is speaking where in Isa 52:13-53:12? Can you explain verse 10 and how it relates to Jesus? “And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God’s purpose shall prosper in his hand.” Apparently Jesus didn’t make “restitution”, he had no children, his days were cut short, and what “purpose” of God prospered in his hand?
Can you tell me what the first 52 and the last 13 chapters of Isaiah are about. Why is chapter 53 the only one christians seems to “know”? Sorry to break it to you, Isa 53 has nothing to do with the Jesus and make more sense when you know who is speaking where. Stop believing everything religion tells you is truth; break your “I believe button” and start verifying and testing the churches words. Or not…
Hi DT,
You: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.
What part of Numbers 1:2 escapes your understanding? Did you even go look it up before you made this “statement” of justification?!? Let me give you the passage for your reading enjoyment:
Num 1:2 “Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, by families following their fathers’ houses;
ME: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?
let’s read the full paragraph:
Numbers 1:1 And the Lord spoke to Moses in the desert of Sinai in the tabernacle of the covenant, the first day of the second month,
the second year of their going out of Egypt,
saying: 2 Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel by their families, and houses, and the names of everyone, as many as are of the male sex,
3 From twenty years old and upwards,
NOTICE: THE AGE IS VITAL WHY? READ:
of all the men of Israel fit for war,
and you shall number them by their troops, thou and Aaron.
4And there shall be with you the princes of the tribes, and of the houses in their kindreds,5Whose names are these: Of Ruben, Elisur the son of Sedeur. 6Of Simeon, Salamiel the son of Surisaddai. 7Of Juda, Nahasson the son of Aminadab. 8Of Issachar, Nathanael the son of Suar. 9Of Zabulon, Eliab the son of Helon. 10And of the sons of Joseph: of Ephraim, Elisama the son of Ammiud: of Manasses, Gamaliel the son of Phadassur. 11Of Benjamin, Abidan the son of Gedeon. 12Of Dan, Ahiezer the son of Ammisaddai. 13Of Aser, Phegiel the son of Ochran. 14Of Gad, Eliasaph the son of Duel. 15Of Nephtali, Ahira the son of Enan. 16These are the most noble princes of the multitude by their tribes and kindreds, and the chiefs of the army of Israel:
DT. ALL THE ABOVE WAS SIMPLY RELATED TO THE MEN FIT FOR WAR,
NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR LINEAGE TO HAVE A KING AT ALL. NEVER MIND DAVID AND HIS THRONE!
THE JEWS HAD GOD AS THEIR KING!
NOW GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY HUMAN GENEALOGY! NO?
THE FACT THAT GOD SELECTED THEIR FIRST KING SOUL AND DAVID HIMSELF!THE FACT ALSO THAT GOD NEVER ASKED A PARTICULAR LINEAGE WHEN HE SELECTED BOTH SAUL AND DAVID. AS GOD LOOKS AT THE HEART!
You: Lineage ran through the father and NOT the mother.
The mother has NOTHING to do with lineage,
THAT IS ONLY YOUR OLD JEWISH OBSOLETE CARNAL MENTALITY!
ATTENTION PLEASE:
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS TASKS, ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND EVEN OPPOSITE AS GOD IS NOT CARNAL BUT SPIRIT AND A PERFECT PARADOX!
JESUS WAS NOT BORN OF HUMAN ORIGIN BUT GODLY ORIGIN!
NO SPERM OR OVUM WAS INVOLVED!
NEVERTHELESS, A SON OF EVE, OF ABRAHAM, AND DAVID.
IN THE SAME WAY, ABEL WAS OF EVE, BUT NOT THROUGH SEX,
AND ISAAC OF SARAH AND ALSO NOT THROUGH SEX!
ALSO, JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THAT HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, HENCE:
HE IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY PROCESS OF THIS WORLD, THE FACT THAT DAVID IS ALSO THE ORIGIN OF THE HEAVENLY REALMS OF GENESI 1:1!!!!
NOW READ:
Luke 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her:
Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said to her:
Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
31Behold thou shalt conceive in THY WOMB,
NOTHING CARNAL DT. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!!!
and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32He shall be great,
and shall be called the Son of the most High;
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father;DID YOU GET THAT?
and he shall reign in the house of Jacob forever. 33And of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done,
because I know not man?
DID YOU GET THAT?
35And the angel answering, said to her:
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee.And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called
THE SON OF GOD
NOW READ WHAT GOD SAID AND CHEW!!!
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts:
nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,
so are my ways exalted above your ways,
and my thoughts above your thoughts.
10 And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11So shall my WORD be, which shall go forth from my mouth:
it shall not return to me void,
but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
12For you shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall sing praise before yen, and all the trees of the country shah clap their hands.
13Instead of the shrub, shall come up the fir tree,
and instead of the nettle, shall come up the myrtle tree:
and the Lord shall be named for an everlasting sign, that shall not be taken away.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
You: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?
Me: That is a statement of pure desperation! You are utterly clueless on how to respond.
Are you saying the Jewish people don’t associate their tribal lineage to their paternal side? What does verse 2 say, a child could comprehend it. How many women are listed in Jesus’ lineage? You really don’t know the OT do you!?!? Stunning!!!!
Then you bring in “context”; the only only point being made was how the sons were to be counted. The purpose for the census isn’t reliant on how they were to be counted. You posted the passage and didn’t recognize the names of each tribe as Jacob’s sons?
You: THE FACT ALSO THAT GOD NEVER ASKED A PARTICULAR LINEAGE WHEN HE SELECTED BOTH SAUL AND DAVID. AS GOD LOOKS AT THE HEART!
Me: Except we must look at what Jacob told his sons as he blessed (prophesied over) them, specifically Judah; “Judah, as for you, your brothers shall praise you. Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies. The sons of your father shall bow down to you. Judah is a lion’s cub. From the prey, my son, you have gone up. He bowed down; he crouched like a lion and as a lioness. Who shall rouse him? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff between his feet, until Shiloh comes. And to him shall be the obedience of nations.” What tribe was David from; could it be Judah?
Me: Lineage ran through the father and NOT the mother. The mother has NOTHING to do with lineage,
You: THAT IS ONLY YOUR OLD JEWISH OBSOLETE CARNAL MENTALITY!
Me: NO!! That’s like 3500 years of Jewish custom that is still practiced today. Were do you come up with this trash?!?!
You: JESUS WAS NOT BORN OF HUMAN ORIGIN BUT GODLY ORIGIN!
Me: Exactly!! So Jesus cannot be the Messiah as he isn’t a descendant of David and Solomon. Ps 132:11 The Lord swore to David a sure oath from which he will not turn back: “One of the sons of your body I will set on your throne. If your sons keep my covenant and my testimonies that I shall teach them, their sons also forever shall sit on your throne.” It says “one of the sons of your body”, what do you think that means? Since the Jesus was conceived of the spirit he isn’t “of David’s body” and not a “son” of David; therefore isn’t the Messiah. Lies, lies, and more lies!
What honest justification can there possibly be to continue to claim Jesus is the “Messiah”? He doesn’t fulfill what God promised David. How does no one see this?!?!
DT……Mark 16:9…..>“Now “when” Jesus was risen (past tense) early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene”. That is not saying Jesus “rose” that day , it is saying Jesus was already “risen” , and on the first day of the week he appeared to her. There should be a comma after risen.
If Mark was saying that Jesus rose on the first day of the week , and that was his intent, he would have stated it that way.
You can not state that, as the New Testament “saying”, that he actually rose from the grave that day.
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
@Gene,
Why are you making this so complicated?!!? Because you can’t admit error?
First, it explicitly says “rose early on the first day” and therefore CANNOT be at 3:00pm on the last day. The Jewish day ends and begins at sunset and traditionally today 6:00pm is used, so early on the first day would would put the time of Jesus’ resurrection after sunset on what we call today Saturday, the last day of the week. Your numbers don’t work, a false teaching.
Still waiting on your thoughts on Psalm 16.
DT…….First of all it does not say Jesus “rose” on the first day of the week, but it says Jesus was already “risen” and on the first day of the week Mary was the first to see him. Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday after sunset, not Sunday morning.
peace and love to you and yours DT…….gene
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