Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

DT……Yes let do that, let’s see what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah. I will let you start seeing you see it differently.

peace and love to you and yours DT……..gene

DT……Propitiation, is appeasing the wrath of God.  Jesus’ life was given “for”,  the “purpose of” , showing us all how to “appease” the warpath of God.

look up the meaning of the word ‘for’ in the Cambridge dictionary and you will find it means for the “purpose of”, but never, “in place of”.

Jesus died for the purpose of “showing or demonstratin…[Read more]

@Gene,

The verse explicitly says “died for our sins”, not “because of”. What verse(s) am I speaking of? I Cor 15:3, Gal 1:4, I John 2:2, I John 4:10, Heb 2:17, I Pet 2:24, Rev 1:5. When reading these verses I didn’t find, “because of.” Besides, didn’t Jesus say he willingly laid down his life and what was the purpose (in bold for your enjoyment)…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.

Me: Site the passage where God said the Messiah was to come and not do or be anything HE said the Messiah was to do or be; BUT, will do and be a second time. Didn’t find that passage either; why, because it doesn’t exist. I haven’t place anything in a “time frame”; I…[Read more]

DT…….Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.  Where doe any scripture say all that must happen at the same time period.  I haven’t found any set time period yet have you, if so then show it to us.

But the time of the Messiah’s is set in scriptures, a time when all the Jews knew, as described in the books of Daniel the prophet…[Read more]

DT……The words for and because are. synonymous  if applied in the right “sense”,  let’s see if you are able to understand this?.

“FOR” ….. sin exists in this world, so God sent Jesus,  at the right time, a prophesied person who he “‘predicted through his prophets, to “demonstrate”  to all his human creation what is required to live right with hi…[Read more]

@Carmel,

So the “spirit” gave you this understanding and if the “spirit” gave you this understanding, will others be in agreement with you? If no one agrees with what you wrote, it would make what you said a product of your own mind and not of the spirit.

It’s fascinating most here believe they are “filled with the ‘Holy Spirit’” in s…[Read more]

@Gene,

In post 946453 you say we are in agreement with the term “because”, except we’re not. You believe Jesus created a “bridge” between you and God in his death; but, God said I’M right here – come.

You keep talking about the terms “for” and “because” and claiming “for” can mean “because”; except grammatically, “for” introduces a purpose…[Read more]

Danny……yes it is speaking of the LORD,  our,  and Jesus’, GOD.

Peace and love to you and your Danny………gene

There was an error again. This is frustrating.

Gene and all, I did copy and paste that Psalm but instead of LORD it incorrectly showed Lord.

Gene and all, I did copy and paste that Psalm but instead of LORD it incorrectly only showed Lord. It was an error. So I will copy and paste that Psalm again:
Psalm 89
1{Maschil of Ethan the Ezrahite.} I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever: with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations.

2For I have said, Mercy…[Read more]

Danny, AMEN to that post brother.

peace and love to you and yours………gene

@all

Psalm 89
Maschil of Ethan the Ezrahite.

1
I will sing of the mercies of the Lord for ever:
with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations.
2
For I have said, Mercy shall be built up for ever:
thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens.

3
I have made a covenant with my chosen,
I have sworn unto David my…[Read more]

Berean…..What you quoted is correct , Jesus did die for all mankind,  because God chose him to  “demonstrate” to all mankind, What is required to live right with God the Father. He  did not  to take our place and pay off our sins. But to “demonstrate”  and show us all what is required of us all to be forgiven our sins by God the Father, and inter…[Read more]

@ Gene

You write 👉The concept that Jesus died and paid off our sin debt himself is a “LIE”.👈

Me 👉If Jesus had not died for all out of love for us, to pay our debt to God, and to be our example, we would not even be able to repent of our sins, we would be lost and without hope in this world.

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thu…[Read more]

First of all the word “for”. In English  can mean “because”  of. Now let’s get the picture of what that means>. God wanted to show mankind what it takes to live right with him. Jesus demonstrated the “WAY”, to do that. The only way he paid for our sins is in “DEMONSTRATING”.  to us all , what is required to have a true and right relationship wit…[Read more]