Gene:  FACT IS Genesis 1, clearly indicates  that the heavens and earth was already here,  when God Started his , new beginning of this earth that once existed,  and he destroyed the earth with all the animal kingdom that then existed,  with water just as he did, in the days of Noah…

Sorry Gene, but I can’t read any of this in scripture – beca…[Read more]

Me  Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

Reading the above verse we are for sure that GOD BEFORE CREATION WAS ON HIS OWN

You: Wrong.  God created Jesus and the other gods

ME: FOR A START, JESUS WAS/IS “THE WORD” OF GOD AND WAS  NEVER CREATED AS A SPIRIT, AD-INTRA! DIVINE!

NEVERTHELESS, IF ACCORDING TO YOU GOD CR…[Read more]

Proclaimer: “We’re just waiting for one time in the entire Bible where God talks about a specific NUMBER of days, but isn’t talking about literal 12 or 24 hour days.”

Correct.  Have you found one yet?

Proclaimer:  I’m not sure, but there might be this one time in Genesis where day one, day two, etc is mentioned…

You already have a pending…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

 You: Since my statement doesn’t include a direct quote of your words,

Me: PLEASE POST THE DIRECT QUOTE OF MY WORDS!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Carmel: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

Reading the above verse we are for sure that GOD BEFORE CREATION WAS ON HIS OWN

Wrong.  God created Jesus and the other gods (you call them angels) BEFORE the creation event of Genesis 1.

Job 38:4-7…  Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation… while the morn…[Read more]

ISAIAH 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

13And thou saidst in thy heart:

I will ascend into heaven,

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,

I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north.

14I will ascend…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  To be a scholar or serious student of God’s word Mike and Berean, you need to not only understand patterns in scripture, but also be able to decode the symbols, the terms, and the times. I think you have seriously failed at this.

Well, you are of course free to think whatever you want to think.  But keep in mind that I’m the one who…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  In Revelation for example, we are told that “the day of His wrath has come“, but reading further in Revelation, we see his wrath and judgments spans a greater time period than 12 or 24 hours.

Correct.  When we read statements like “the day of the LORD” or “in that day”, we often don’t know for sure if it will be a single day, or a l…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I can let scripture teach me because I do not fix or limit things according to my own biases.

Really?

Exodus 20:9-11…  Six days you shall labor and do all your work… For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them…

Letting the scripture teach you without any personal biases i…[Read more]

Just when I got comfortable not having to copy every post before submitting it…

And I arrowed back multiple times to try to find the post I lost, but no luck.  At least it wasn’t a really long one that took me an hour this time.

Carmel

You :”GOD TRANSFORMED HIMSELF AND BECAME LIGHT AND COVERED THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE! “

Me

I don’t believe God told you that…
Where did you read that in the bible?
God covers himself with darkness, YES, FOR OUR GOD IS LIKE A DEVOURING FIRE (HEBREWS 12:29), AND THEREFORE HE IS VEILING HIS GLORY SO AS NOT TO DESTROY THOSE WHO CAME…[Read more]

Mike……Paraphrasing is exactly what you do with things that are clearly written that go against your reasonings.  FACT IS Genesis 1, clearly indicates  that the heavens and earth was already here,  when God Started his , new beginning of this earth that once existed,  and he destroyed the earth with all the animal kingdom that then existed,  wi…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Hey Mike and Berean. People in the know understand that a day to God is not like a day to us.

We all agree that a day to God doesn’t have to be like a day to us.  I think it’s safe to say that a God who knows the ending from the beginning is not constrained by the constant, consecutive passing of time as we experience it.  Th…[Read more]

Mike: You say that when God says He MADE the heaven and the earth in six days, it means something different to God CREATING the heaven and the earth in six days.  Prove it.

Carmel:  Where did I say THOSE PRECISE WORDS BROTHER MIKE!

Since my statement doesn’t include a direct quote of your words, a rational person would assume that I was par…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: You say that when God says He MADE the heaven and the earth in six days, it means something different to God CREATING the heaven and the earth in six days.  Prove it

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

Where did I say THOSE PRECISE WORDS BROTHER MIKE!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Gene:  Did Adam and Eve “DIE” on the 24 hr period day…

I already answered that question – quite extensively I might add – about a week or so ago.  In short, the Hebrew word “die” is listed twice in a row – which is likely correctly translated as, “In the day you eat of it, dying you shall die.”

My conclusion (among the many possibilities I inc…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You: Hi Carmel

I am surprised that you hide the fact that: there is the formless and empty and dark earth BEFORE THE LIGHT appears.

Berean, I’m afraid somehow my message didn’t work, Read again:

Allow me to make it more clear for you, WHAT I MEANT!

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

Reading the…[Read more]

Mike…..I though would cop out and not answer, my question, by saying we haven’t answered your, which is not true because we have over and over here. CAN’T help it if you unable to comprehend thzt.

But back to my ‘Sinple’ question,  Did Adam and Eve “DIE” on the 24 hr period day,  AFTER they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?  …[Read more]

Proclaimer Can’t Say That I Didn’t Warn Him Ahead
Of Time That I Would Bring Him To His Knees

Thus began the Genesis 1 discussion that has exposed T8 as more of a Mumbler, Double-Talker, and Hider than a “Proclaimer”.  And now he is on his knees, slinging ad hominem attacks because it is all he has left.
“When the debate is lost, slander…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Just don’t venture into things that you are not good at is my advice.

It’s a little too late for you to take your own advice now, isn’t it?  You found yourself right smack dab in the middle of the battle before you even realized that you had ventured into something you weren’t good at. Just so you know, that was by design.  And I even…[Read more]