LU: Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods (Father), and Lord of lords (Son), the great God (the Father with the Son not apart from the Son, united into one Spirit)…

Kathi, is it possible that the Father (whose name is Yahweh) is both a God of other gods AND a Lord of other lords – and that this statement doesn’t have anything to do…[Read more]

Mike:  PROCLAIMER, AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN (AND THEREFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SUN-EARTH CYCLE), IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL DAYS (SUNRISE TO THE NEXT SUNRISE) DURING THE CREATION PERIOD WERE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?

Proclaimer has ignored this question (and many others) for weeks – which is…[Read more]

Mike:  <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>PROCLAIMER, AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN (AND THEREFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SUN-EARTH CYCLE), IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL DAYS (SUNRISE TO THE NEXT SUNRISE) DURING THE CREATION PERIOD WERE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?</span>

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Adam,

You said:

Here Yahweh is both God and Lord.

This is the reason why I am standing against the concepts of the NT on  God and  Messiah.

The OT is talking about two persons as one YHVH God who is both God and Lord there in Deut 10:17. The NT supports that when it speaks of one God and one Lord, Father and Son. It further supports that by s…[Read more]

Gene,

You said:

The trip is in the actual translation of the Greek word, (dia) , it is used in two places in that sentence, that if misunderstood gives a wrong understanding to the whole sentence.

You are the one misunderstanding the word dia, Gene. You have been corrected on this. Go to the first post in the “Understanding Greek” thread and y…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for your post. So you believe in two separate Yahwehs that act as one Yahweh? Is that correct?

Proclaimer,

You said: If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

Hi LU

I’m interested in how you reconcile your  your view of the two YHVHs do not form one God with these passages:

Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the awesome, who doesn’t respect persons, nor takes reward.

Deut 6:4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one:…[Read more]

Hi gadam.

I do not believe that I have ever wrote anything on this subject. But I did look at this many years ago. So I think it is time to study it and write something about it so I have an answer for next time. For now, I will share my thoughts.

1. LORD is the word YHWH, (as you know). The Jews did not want to pronounce or mispronounce the name…

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For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.‘ “

“I tell you the truth…[Read more]

Adam…….No scripture properly understood says Jesus prexisted his birth on this earth,  that is a other example of twisting up what scriptures really says,   like this example. , “before ” Abraham I am,  here how false teachers present that , Jesus was saying,  he was “ALIVE” before Abraham , but does the word Alive appear there no it Dosen…[Read more]

Let me paraphrase the way I see it, and it should  eliminate the confusion,  The First of the sentence  is correct just as it is written, but the second part is not,  it should read, and for the purpose of him and through him we all exist.

Now consider this,  God had in his,  mind from the very  beginning a purpose for his human creatio…

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Adam……The trip is in the actual translation of the Greek word, (dia) , it is used in two places in that sentence, that if misunderstood gives a wrong understanding to the whole sentence.

Let me paraphrase the way I see it, and it should  eliminate the confusion,  The First of the sentence  is correct just as it is written, but the second par…[Read more]

It seems people really cannot grasp the difference between identity and nature however. I am not sure anyone here can grasp it which I find a bit weird because the concept is really simple. Maybe most people who post here are not that smart. But to explain it in another way. We understand such things even in our own English language. If I said,…

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So you can agree that the Son could properly be called the only begotten god/God whether or not it actually says it in John 1;18, right?

One can be called theos in a qualitative sense, but as soon as you say it means ‘God’ which is ‘the god’ in Greek, then you have mistranslated it. If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that…[Read more]

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Mike the mistake is made by not truly understanding what the actual word God means,   it’s not a person it’s “A DESCRIPTOR OF THE RELATIONSHIP”,  you have with something,  anything. Once you understand that clearly then the rest falls into place.  So, your right in saying  there are many God’s , but wrong in say they are  TRUE God’s that we bel…

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@Berean,

Thanks for your response.

I’m interested in how you reconcile your  your view of the two YHVHs do not form one God with these passages:

Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the awesome, who doesn’t respect persons, nor takes reward.

Deut 6:4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our…[Read more]

Proclaimer said:

But even if it is communicating that from God another was begotten from his nature, then that would be true IMO.

So you can agree that the Son could properly be called the only begotten god/God whether or not it actually says it in John 1;18, right?

Hi Mike,

Regarding this post:

I thought I was agreeing with you.  You’ve told me that John 1:1 speaks of two gods – one of whom was with the other.  And you’ve told me that the Father is the unbegotten God who can’t be seen by human eyes, while Jesus is the only begotten god who can be seen by humans.  Um… that’s two different gods, Kathi.…

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