Mike:  Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

LU:  The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. 

You refer to Jeremiah 23:6, but the city of Jerusalem is also called by the same exact title in Jeremiah 33:16.  So unless you are willing to claim that the city of Jerusalem is also a part of the “Yahweh Unity of Spi…[Read more]

Mike: If you show me a scripture that clearly and undeniably teaches us about a previous “perfect earth”, I’m willing to learn about it. 

 

Carmel: Read this scripture HEREUNDER again please and answer:

IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE SIX-DAY CREATION?

YES OR NO Please!

No, it is God talking about punishing Judah for abandoning Him……[Read more]

Says the guy who is so ignorant on the issue that he doesn’t even realize that Big Bang, Deep Time Uniformitarianism and Common Descent Evolution aren’t even a part of science at all.

Are you trying to impress me with big words?

And if God created the heavens and the earth and spreads out the heavens, then the Big Bang supports that. Because tha…[Read more]

And this is especially what I’d prefer not to see in the new thread.  First of all, it is the scriptures that say Jesus is a god.  I didn’t make it up out of thin air.

You did add in the indefinite article. Greek only uses the definite article or not.

PROCLAIMER, WHAT AND WHERE IS “UNDER HEAVEN” IN YOUR MODEL?

On land / a planet. The heaven or heavens would be the sky.

It could lead to confusion. Especially since you are capitalizing God.

You would be better off saying “Jesus is the only begotten Son who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten Son, all things were made.

That would communicate the central message regarding his place with God.

The real question is why do you not…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

Please answer this:

You said:

If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

Mike,

You said:

Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

Wrong. The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. In Hebrews 1, the Father identifies the Son as Yahweh who laid the foundation of the earth…

 But it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles I listed while also being God.

Correction, it is impo…[Read more]

YHVH

So please remember your own rules

Yes, and this goes for you.

I love the Hot Seat. It is designed to get an answer and stop people just ignoring good arguments. I intend to hold you to that standard and I intend to keep that standard myself.

lease delete posts 930311, 930313, 930314, 930397, 930412, 930415, 930416, 930418, and this post that I’m making right now, as they are posts from (or responses to) people who are not invited to this thread… or otherwise have no business in our private debate.

Please also refresh your memory on the rules and reason for the Hot Seat Forum that you…

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Hi Mike,

You: If you show me a scripture that clearly and undeniably teaches us about a previous “perfect earth”, I’m willing to learn about it. 

Mike, I ALREADY POSTED THIS SCRIPTURE BUT THOUGH YOU READ IT, FOR YOUR OWN INTEREST, YOU  NEVER SAID ANYTHING,

OBVIOUS, BECAUSE IT SIMPLY SAYS THE TRUTH!

Read this scripture HEREUNDER again please…[Read more]

What does the Bible say about that subject?

Lol. That is your way of admitting defeat while trying to save face.

My next question is you have your own science and arguments as to why there is a dome because of air pressure

So why do your arguments not apply to water? Because you know that the sea is not held in by a special dome at the surface.…[Read more]

Adam:   I am on neutral ground and without any bias on the ancient texts…

If that were true, you wouldn’t refer to the ancient people as “primitive” – as if you know for a fact that we are more intelligent today, rather than slowly becoming less and less intelligent.  That right there shows a major bias.

But all in all, you have certainly ta…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So my question Mike is why doesn’t water at the bottom of the ocean get sucked into less dense water nearer the surface?

What does the Bible say about that subject?

Mike:  PROCLAIMER, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO SUSPECT THAT THE DAILY SUN-EARTH CYCLES – OR THE LIGHT-DARK CYCLES THAT PRECEDED THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN – WERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN 24-HOUR CYCLES DURING THE CREATION PERIOD? IF SO, PLEASE PRESENT THAT SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE.

Proclaimer:  What? Lol. Day and night cycles before the sun? …

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Since there is clearly a lot of confusion and denial concerning the many gods in the Bible, I have started a new thread centered on that one subject.  When I came to HN, I didn’t know too much about the Trinity Doctrine – or even that there were people who believed Jesus didn’t preexist his time on earth.  It was through much discussion on this f…[Read more]

Hey, do any of you long-standing members here remember when we could have a “signature” that showed up at the bottom of our posts?

I remember that Proclaimer’s (t8’s) signature was:  A mistaken but honest man, once proven to be mistaken, either ceases to be mistaken or ceases to be honest.

That’s why I sometimes throw his own saying back in his…[Read more]

Mike:  Just because another person may also be a Lord of other lords, a King of other kings, or a Teacher of other teachers does not equate them with Yahweh – or make them a part of a Unity of Spirit with Yahweh.

LU:  True, however Jesus is also the giver of eternal life, the Lord of all creation, has all authority in heaven and on earth, is cal…

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