Mike,

I just have a tiny amount of time to spend here due to my college work and family time. I might have more time for a dedicated thread after the semester, middle of May. I would be willing to consider it then. For now, there are too many questions to give attention to. Can you give me just one in the next few minutes and hopefully I can take…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Thus, the context shows that the days are NOT 24 hours long.

What context, exactly, shows that the six days of creation are “NOT 24 hours long”?

PROCLAIMER, I’M ADDRESSING YOUR POSTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, I’M NOT AFRAID OF AN OPEN AND HEARTY DISCUSSION. BUT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POSTING ANYTHING ON ANY THREAD UNTIL YOU ANSWER MY “MUST ANSWER” QUESTION ABOVE.  PLEASE HONOR YOUR OWN RULES AND THE RULES OF THIS THREAD BY ANSWERING THAT…[Read more]

Which explanation, Berean?  Your source lists three different ones – the first of which their own words disavow. 

Mike

It can be one of three possibilities.

God bless

Gene:  Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists…

Perhaps you’re just not explaining this concept correctly.  Please copy and paste a scholarly writing that ex…[Read more]

Gene

To All…….the stumbling block is the word (WAS) that is  used there,  “and the earth was”. That word “was”, in the original Hebrew should be ,  (became) or (came to be). Exactly as eplained , it should read, the earth “became ” to-hu and bo-hu,  coruppted and void.  

Where does it say God created everything “perfect” at. Because…[Read more]

Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists, that you “worship” and lean on for your power and strength, that’s  “YOUE” ”TRUE”, and can be anything or anyone living…[Read more]

Your “Get Out of Jail Free” card has already been addressed numerous times, including a thorough debunking in post 930774 on the first page of this very thread.  Unfortunately, you aren’t treating this as an actual discussion where each person freely and readily responds to the challenges of the other person, and so, as is the case with a dozen…

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To recap

Both Proclaimer and Mike agree that the Hebrew word for ‘day’ can be any length of time required for a thing that is started to finish. By that definition which we both agree to, the days of creation are not 24 hours long unless the context requires it. And it certainly does not for these main reasons.

God created the heavens and the…[Read more]

So another non-sequitur, huh? 🙄

Proclaimer, was “the flood of Noah’s day” a single 24-hour day, or 150 24-hour days? You can’t have it both ways, Mr. Double-Minded! 😅

Hmm… Maybe “the flood of Noah’s day” refers to a general time period that was comprised of 150 literal 24-hour days! 😎

Sometimes I seriously wonder about your intelligence le…

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So no, there is no contradiction.  We can talk about “back in the day when God created the heaven and earth”, but we can also talk about the exact day within that general time period that God created the sun, for example.</small

By jove I think he’s got it.

Now add in the fact that to God a day is a much longer period, and you have 6 days of c…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Carmel:  SO I repeat: THEY ARE NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SAME CONCEPT!
They are talking about the same book of life that was written since the world began.

Revelation 13:8

English Standard Version… and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the b…[Read more]

To All…….the stumbling block is the word (WAS) that is  used there,  “and the earth was”. That word “was”, in the original Hebrew should be ,  (became) or (came to be). Exactly as eplained , it should read, the earth “became ” to-hu and bo-hu,  coruppted and void.  

Where does it say God created everything “perfect” at. Because God said it wa…[Read more]

2 Kings 1:2-4… Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”

But the angel of Yahweh said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samar…[Read more]

Here are some others…

Psalm 95:3
For the LORD is a great God, a great King above all gods.

Psalm 96:4
For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods.

Psalm 97:7
All worshipers of images are put to shame–those who boast in idols. Worship Him, all you gods!

Who exactly are all these different gods?

Which explanation, Berean?  Your source lists three different ones – the first of which their own words disavow.

Proclaimer: You have just admitted that there exists the day that God created the heavens and the earth and by extension of that, if your definition of creation days are 24 hours, then that conflicts with 6 x 24 hours for the creation period because you admit to the day of creation.

No conflict at all, sir.  For example, you often use the idiom, “…[Read more]

Hi Mike 

Before the gods I will sing praises to You:

We can’t imagine that David meant he would praise Yahweh in the actual presence of idols and images of other gods. There are three ideas about what David meant by his singing praise before the gods (elohim).

· Perhaps it was a declaration of allegiance to Yahweh and Him alone, and [Read more]

Hi Carmel

Me: the earth was “shapeless” (tohu) and empty, desert (bohu)

MORE THAN YOU YOURSELF UNDERSTOOD SCRIPTURE!

JUST READ THE ABOVE VERSE PLEASE AND REFLECT!

YOU ARE SAYING THAT IN GENESIS 1:2

THE EARTH WAS TOHU AND BOHU!

THE WORD “WAS” SAYS IT ALL!

ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT GOD, WHO COULD PRONOUNCE HIS WORD AND IMMEDIATELY CREATE ALL…[Read more]

Proclaimer: I also spelled out why creation days are not calendar days, because a day to God is NOT 24 hours.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Your “Get Out of Jail Free” card has already been addressed numerous times, including a thorough debunking…[Read more]