Proclaimer: I personally think that when you are right with God, you will love the truth and not reject it. You will test what you believe so you are sure. You will not be proud, obstinate, and delusional. You will not cling to lies. The Spirit of Truth which makes us sons of God will never lead us into delusions. Delusion is a fruit that exposes…

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Kathi, I posted this a while ago…

Please address it.  Thanks.

LU:  YHVH as a Unity:

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords…

together with this:

is Lord of lords and King of kings…

 

Mike:  That’s it?  Is that REALLY the only verse on which your entire “Jesus is Yahweh Jr” doctrine is based?  Wow, Kathi.  Just wow.

Kathi, please answer.  Is that REALLY the only OT verse on which y…[Read more]

LU: Jesus confirmed that He is properly called “God.” If the created beings were called god, how much more the uncreated and only begotten Son of God would be called “God,” even “YHVH God.”

 

Mike:  We’re getting there.  First, who exactly were these “created beings” that were called gods (not “god”) by Yahweh in Psalm 82?  (It’s important to…

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LU: The word Yahweh is not in the NT. The idea is certainly there.

No it’s not.  There is nothing even close to your doctrine taught anywhere in the NT… or in the OT..

LU:  …the Christ is the second Yahweh. Certainly they didn’t think that the Father, Yahweh, was also the Christ.

Of course they didn’t think the Father, ie: “God”, was the Chri…[Read more]

LU:  The Bible does not say that all of God’s spirit sons are made in His image. Man is made in His image.

And what does that mean that we are made in His image?  Are we all two persons in one unity, but for some odd reason addressed with SINGULAR pronouns?

Does being the image OF God ever mean that we ARE God?

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Mike:  Kathi, how do you explain these clear contradictions between your doctrine and the Bible?  How do you explain the fact that John 1:18 clearly and undeniably distinguishes the Son as someone OTHER THAN God, whom he made known to us?

 

LU:  If there are two members within a unity and both are in the form of God yet act as one God, one of…

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Jodi:  Jesus is not declared to be God’s Son by the Gospel writers until he is anointed of the Spirit becoming the promised Messiah, until the Spirit of God descends to LIVE IN Jesus without measure, which means the exact same thing as being born of the Spirit…

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Hi Proclaimer

I’m going to ask you straight.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist Flat Earther? 

Me

Seventh Day Adventist YES
BUT FOR THE REST IF THE EARTH IS A GLOBE OR FLAT, IT IS SECONDARY FOR ME.
I WANT TO BE GUIDED BY THE SURE AND SOLID WORD OF GOD.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and th…[Read more]

Berean.

I’m going to ask you straight.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist Flat Earther?

Hi to all

Hère is the Daily Devotional

According to researcher David B. Barrett, there were 33,830 different Christian denominations worldwide as of 2001. Of course, it’s hard to know exactly how many different denominations there really are, but nearly 34,000 is a staggering number. These range from Baptists to Roman Catholics to Pe…[Read more]

Mike face the truth, your one of these guys who swats at gnats, and sollows a camel. Your refusal to even believe any of these proofs offered to you, and it shows us all how your mind works, your “cognisity”,  of what is  true , and not true, has been greatly  compermised.

This is a true message. i do not know to what extent this applies to thos…[Read more]

Proclaimer,
God was not homeless prior to the creation of the raqia on Day 2.

Your not getting it dabbs. Completely not understanding my point. I can see why you believe in flat earth.

You and Gene keep overlooking the fact that the sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia that the waters are ABOVE.

Raqia is called heaven and there are three heavens.

If only one heaven in the raqia, then you need to equally teach that God who dwells in Heaven is below the waters.

Lol.

Hi Mike,

Yes, correct the baby Jesus was a son of God just like all mortal humans are, as we all come from Adam, “which was the son of God”.  But he is also the prophesied son of David to whom God promised He would be a Father to, to whom He would not take his mercy away from and to whom He promised He would give him an eternal kingdom and bring…[Read more]

@t8

Proclaimer,
God was not homeless prior to the creation of the raqia on Day 2.

Hi Mike,

Glad that is cleared up! This has been my stance for several years now after debating and looking at the surrounding text of Matthew 16 and 18.

Mathew IS NOT teaching us that Joseph is Jesus’s adoptive father, on the contrary, he is giving us THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN, the BOOK OF Jesus’s GENEA/GENETIC LINEAGE to show us…[Read more]

Mike……..Shouldn’t you be telling us how modern science is lying to us, instead of just going on as if they don’t know what they are talking about,  tell us how there is no actual rocket ships, satelites, giant tellescopes webb, Hubble, and hundreds of others out there, isen’t your real argument with them.  You believe we really Don’t have T…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  But Mike places the waters above everything. In reality, if we are talking about the first heaven and the raqia / space / heaven / sky between the two waters, it is not as those pagan models say. So the water above the raqia may just be referencing the first heaven. The context determines which heaven.

You and Gene keep overlooking…[Read more]

Berean’s point debunks Mike

Berean:
Before creating the heaven and the earth on which we live, God WAS IN HIS HEAVEN, WITH HIS SON AND HIS HOLY ANGELS.

AND THEREFORE THE RAQIYA WHICH HE MADE MUCH LATER WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TWO WATERS CANNOT BE THE PLACE OF GOD’S PERSONAL DWELLING.

Exactly. This shows that Mike’s understanding of raqia which is c…[Read more]