Proclaimer,   you may call it a “straw” argument,  but in fact it is a real argument for those who know the truth.  Why not try to look up those words in Greek and see for sure if it’s a “straw” argument.

What you produce is a straw argument,  if they arn’t, then show me one place in all of our scriptures that shows “any” activity of Jesus, befor…[Read more]

Hi to all

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UNIQUELY YOU

No doubt you’ve heard the American folk song that begins “Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam, where the deer and the antelope play …” Contrary to these well-known lyrics, North America doesn’t have any antelope— but it does have the pronghorn. Although it is often called an antelop…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

You: Later on, he came in the flesh and was sent into the world.

Me: TO BE MORE PRECISE,

HE CAME IN THE FLESH, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON

THAT HE WAS SENT BY THE FATHER, 

GOD ALL-KOWING, BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE COSMOS, AS

THE LIGHT FROM LIGHT,

THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT FROM THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT, 

FROM AD ENTRA, WITHIN GOD, T…[Read more]

By saying he was first  (born) is not the same as saying he was first created now is it?

Strawman arguments makes your case look even weaker. Begotten before all things does not and never will mean ‘created’. Crested is that which was made by God through the Word which is who Jesus is.

St least address the actual points, not this fake news crap please.

HI Gene,

Cont.

You: “ Now, this is eternal life , that they might know “YOU”,

Me: UP TO NOW IN THE PREVIOUS POSTS I GAVE YOU THE CAKE,

NOW HERE COMES PART OF THE ICING:

In verse ONE Jesus, said:

….. , Father, the HOUR is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

OBVIOUS, in the above, Jesus referred to THE HOUR…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Me: Cont.

Now we come to your verse:

You: “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true GOD……., 

NOW, THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE…..

In the above, Jesus, REFERRING definitely TO HIMSELF, TO HIS SPIRIT AS

“ETERNAL LIFE” and THE SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION, John 6:27, and confirmed and said

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Hi Gene,

You: LU……So Jesus was lying when he said (not me)…..

“this is eternal life , that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true GOD……., 

Cont. from the previous post!

John17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:[Read more]

Sometimes I wonder if you are serious dannyd and are trolling me instead. I’ll take it that you are being serious.

Explain this danny. If you are in the sea, the horizon is about one mile away. If you are standing on the shore, it is about 3 miles away. This wouldn’t happen if the earth was flat. Because it is a globe, when you are standing up,…[Read more]

@t8

Look at the picture again.
Planes don’t fly that way, except the one on the top.
You need to stop believing in stupid things!

Proclaimer……..Yes he is the first “BORN”.  Of or FROM ALL CREATION.  question?   What does “first”, “born” , mean to you? Jesus is the first,  born from all of,  creation to be born in to the Kingdom of God, “you must be born again” Jesus said remember? By saying he was first  (born) is not the same as saying he was first created now is it?  In…[Read more]

God the Father is “against” all who say Jesus “preexisted” his birth on this earth, as well as all who preach and worship him as their GOD.  Jesus will out of his own mouth reject them at his return  just as 2ths2, shows.

Incorrect. God isn’t against Jesus Christ for example who said:

I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You…[Read more]

Adam is the first son that human sons are modeled after.

Correct.

But some humans will be modelled after the final Adam.

So the first Adam is not the only prototype. He is for some however.

Flesh first then Spirit.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is…[Read more]

Hi Danny.

The answer is well known.

Up and down is drawn from the centre of the earth. There is no universal up as you assume. It’s quite easy to prove.

See if there are any basic science classes you can do where you live.

@t8

 Gene 

You

God the Father is “against” all who say Jesus “preexisted” his birth on this earth, …..

Me

BIG LIE Gene

To all…….What Jesus is,  is the finish product of what God the Father started with Adam and Eve.  Jesus is what God had in mind from the very beginning of his creation of all mankind.  Jesus is God the Fathers word (of prophesy) that came into being , as a flesh and blood human being, when he was born on this earth.  He was Baptized and rec…[Read more]

Hi to all

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WHY DID JOHN THE BAPTIST SAY THAT HE WAS NOT ELIJAH WHEN JESUS SAID THAT HE WAS?

I once read about a brilliant boy diagnosed with autism who has an IQ higher than Einstein had. Some have even called him “the new Einstein.” At only 14 years old, he was already working on a master’s degree in quantum phy…[Read more]

Yes, Adam was / is a prototype too.
I guess all species had a prototype.

But, all in Adam die, all in Christ shall live.
If you agree that the first Adam was a prototype, then why not the final Adam?

Proclaimer,

You asked:

So who is the first type then? The first Son?

Adam is the first son that human sons are modeled after.