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John 1:1

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV)
b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon)
c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV).

John 1:1b says that the Word was with God and John 1:1c says that the Word was God, so how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? Well part of the answer to discovering the meaning of this verse is found in 1 John 1:1-2

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life and the life was manifested, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was made manifest to us”.

First when we read 1John 1:2, it suggests to us that the God in John1:1b is the Father himself.

Secondly, we see In John 1:1c, the last word God is missing the definite article, (THE). The definite article is before all other instances of the word ‘God’ and ‘Logos’ in John 1:1. (e.g., the Word, The God.), yet is absent in the last mention of God. Read on because this can be significant as you are about to find out.

Greek sentence construction affirms that if a noun doesn’t have a preceding article, (THE) it can be read as an adjective (a predicate adjective); and if such a noun does have a preceding article it should be considered a noun (a predicate nominative). Understanding this is a game changer. Scholars see the benefit of the rule for affirming the deity of Christ in John 1:1, but haven’t made the difference clear regarding the difference between identity and nature or definite and qualitative. Don’t worry if this makes no sense to you. It will.

Look at the difference between these two sentences.

1) You are an angel
2) You are THE angel.

Notice how the first one is using the word angel in a qualitative way while the second is definite. Hence the term ‘definite article’.

In John 1:1, all instances of the word ‘God” are preceded by the definite article ‘THE’, except the last one.

So it literally says:

John1:1
a) In the beginning was THE God.
b) THE Word was with THE God
c) And THE Word was god.

Why is the last word not capitalised? Where Greek uses the definite article in English we capitalise the word. e.g., the god = God.

So it is grammatically correct to read John 1:1c with a qualitative sense rather reading it as identifying the Word as God himself. It is not only grammatically correct to read it this way, it is also theologically correct because if we read it as THE Theos, then that would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God even to the exclusion of the Father. Now we have two good reasons for reading the last word ‘god/theos’ as qualitative and not as THE God or God.

In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn’t always have a preceding definite article which is true, however looking at the verse contextually, we understand that there is clearly two being spoken of, i.e., one God and one called the Word with is clearly another who is next to God and is not that God he is with.

Let’s look at Adam and Eve as an example of two beings that were with each other. Before I give an example, it is important for you at this point to understand that the Hebrew word for ‘man’ is ‘adam’. This means that qualitatively, Adam and Eve are both adam. This is similar to the word theos which is translated as the ‘God’ & god. The absence of the definite article can qualify just as the word adam qualifies. As I said before, in English we use capitals to denote when being definite. So the difference between ‘Adam’ and ‘adam’ is that Adam refers to a specific man called Adam while the latter could refer to him as well as Eve and any other member of mankind. This is clearly stated in scripture in Genesis 1:27:

So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

The word for man is adam, so it says: God created ‘adam’ male and female. So saying that ‘Eve is adam’ is a true saying.

In English, If I said “John is the man”, then I am identifying John as  a definite and particular person of the human race. But if I omit the definite article and say “John is man,” then I do not identify him, I classify him. I say “John is human; he belongs to the sphere/nature of man.” Can you see the difference now?

To understand how the article can make a big difference to a piece of text, look at this example. Have a guess as to which one is correct.

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was THE man

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was man

The correct one is the second example because it is saying that the woman belongs to mankind or man. Look at the next example:

a) Tools were used by man.
b) Tools were used by the man.

See how the first example is talking about mankind whereas the second example is talking of a specific man.

In other words the word ‘man’ can be used as an attribute or to describe one’s nature. It is not always used to identify a particular person and it can even refer to more than one person.

Now let’s have a look at the above example, but using Adam and Eve instead. Notice in English that we do not have the definite article preceding Adam or Eve, because capitalising both Adam and Eve leads us to view these words in a definite sense, the same way that Greek requires the definite article. Essentially THE adam/man in Greek is the same as Adam in English.

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was Adam

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was adam

Notice that the second example is still the correct one.

To further understand the important difference between identity and nature, take a look at John 6:70. When speaking of his betrayer Judas Iscariot, Jesus said, “One of you is a devil.” Did Jesus mean that Judas is actually Satan the Devil? No! He merely meant to say that Judas is like (class) a devil, or that he had the qualities or nature of a/the devil. The word “devil” here has no article in the Greek as you have probably guessed, but most translators deem it necessary to add the indefinite article “a” to complete the thought in English even though it is not present in Greek or any Greek. Greek has no indefinite articles, (a,an).

So Judas wasn’t Satan himself, rather he was diabolical, like the Devil. He had the qualities of the Devil. But that doesn’t rule out the fact that Satan is the Devil because it is not actually saying that Judas was the Devil himself. Rather Judas thought as the Devil; and acted as the Devil. He was not the Devil (definite), (Satan is); he was not an actual devil or demon, he was a devil (qualitative). He was one who had the mental disposition, the nature, of the Devil, who is Satan. So it is with John 1:1c.

The Logos was God has no definite article. It is really saying, The Logos was god. This is why the New English Bible and the Revised English Bible translate John 1:1 as “what God was, the Word was.” The TEV (1976) translates it, “the Word was the same as God.” Goodspeed translates this, “the Word was divine.” And Moffatt translates this, “the logos was divine.”

So what kind of being is Jesus then if the Word was theos (without the definite article)? The answer according to John 1:1 is that he must be a divine being if Jesus is the Word of God that was with God. In other words he is a being with God’s nature. A son possessing the nature of his Father. Not just an image, but THE image of God. He is the prototype, the firstborn. He is the mystery that was hidden but has been revealed in our time. He is all these things, but he is not THE God that he is the son of. That God is exclusively the Father and there are many scriptures to prove that which we will look at later in this page.

Many think that the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ always refer to YHWH. They take instances of their choosing to try and prove that Christ is YHWH. In their ignorance they cannot see that there are indeed many god (theos) and many lords, but for true believers there is one God (theos) the Father.

In fact, the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ in scripture are used in reference to God (YHWH), Christ, Man, angels, Satan and idols. So when we see the word ‘theos’ or ‘elohim’, we should ask ourselves what kind of god is being referenced. The god of this age? The Most High God? The Almighty God? The mighty god? A false god? A human? An angel? We must also understand that the word ‘theos’ proceeded by the article (the) is talking of a noun and without the article, it can be an adjective or used to describe or qualify.

Let us now look at some quotes from scholars and writers that understand this. NOTE: this is not an endorsement with all that these authors have written, rather I am appealing to their view regarding John 1:1.

One prominent scholar called Origen is sometimes quoted by Trinitarians who appeal to his wisdom for other purposes. However, they avoid this particular quotation for obvious reasons. Origen wrote in the early 200’s A.D and was a noted expert in Koine Greek.

“We next notice John’s use of the article [“the”] in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Word, but to the name of theos he adds it sometimes only. He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. Does the same difference which we observe between theos with the article and theos without it prevail also between the Word with it and without it? We must enquire into this. As the theos who is over all is theos with the article not without it, so the Word is the source of that reason (Logos) which dwells in every reasonable creature; the reason which is in each creature is not, like the former called par excellence the Word. Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two theos [gods] and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked. Either they deny that the Son has a distinct nature of His own besides that of the Father, and make Him whom they call the Son to be theos all but the name, or they deny divinity of the Son, giving Him a separate existence of His own, and making His sphere of essence fall outside that of the Father, so that they are separable from each other. To such persons we have to say that “the theos” on the one hand is Autotheos [God of himself] and so the Saviour says in His prayer to the Father, “That they may know Thee the only true theos [God]; “but that all beyond the theos [God] is made theos by participation in His deity, and is not to be called simply “theos” but rather “the theos “. And thus the first-born of all creation, who is the first to be with the theos , and to attract to Himself deity, is a being of more exalted rank than the other theos [gods] beside Him, of which theos is the theos [God], as it is written, “The theos [God] of theos [gods], the Lord, hath spoken and called the earth.” It was by the offices of the first-born that they became theos [gods], for He drew from the theos [God] in generous measure that they should be made theos [gods], and He communicated it to them according to His own bounty. The true theos [God], then, is “the theos ,” [“the God” as opposed to “god”] and those who are formed after Him are theos [such as the Son of God], images, as it were, of Him the prototype. But the archetypal image, again, of all these images is the word of the theos [God], who was in the beginning, and who by being with the theos [God] is at all times deity, not possessing that of Himself, but by His being with the Father, and not continuing to be theos , if we should think of this, except by remaining always in uninterrupted contemplation of the depths of the Father.”
(Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book II, 2)

“Irenaeus [in the second century] could still interpret MK. Xiii, 32 in the following manner: the Son confessed not to know that which only the Father knew; hence ‘ we learn from himself that the Father is over all’, as he who is greater also than the Son. But the Nicene theologians had now suddenly to deny that Jesus could have said such a thing about the Son. In the long-recognized scriptural testimony for the Logos-doctrine provided by Prov. Viii, 22 ff. The exegetes of the second and third centuries had found the creation of the preexistent Logos-Christ set forth without dispute and equivocation. But now, when the Arians also interpreted the passage in this way, the interpretation was suddenly reckoned as false…. A theologian such as Tertullian by virtue of his Subordinationist manner of thinking, could confidently on occasion maintain that, before all creation, God the Father had been originally ‘alone’, and thus there was a time when ‘the Son was not’. When he did so, within the Church of his day such a statement did not inevitably provoke a controversy, and indeed there was none about it. But now, when Arius said the same thing in almost the same words, he raised thereby in the Church a mighty uproar, and such a view was condemned as heresy in the anathemas of Nicaea.” e.a.]
-pp. 155-8. The Formation of Christian Dogma, by Martin Werner, D.D.

When the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor think of him as God. He is God’s Christ, God’s Son, God’s Wisdom, God’s Word. Even the prologue to St. John {John 1:1-18} which comes nearest to the Nicene Doctrine, must be read in the light of the pronounced subordinationism of the Gospel as a whole; and the Prologue is less explicit in Greek with the anarthrous theos [the word “god” at John 1:1c without the article] than it appears in English… The adoring exclamation of St. Thomas “my Lord and my god” (Joh. xx. 28) is still not quite the same as an address to Christ as being without qualification [limitation] God, and it must be balanced by the words of the risen Christ himself to Mary Magdalene (verse. 17) “Go unto my brethren and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” Jesus Christ is frequently spoken of in the Ignation Epistles as “our God”, “my God”, but probably never as “God” without qualification.
– John Martin Creed in The Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The word for “god” in Greek is QEOS. In John 1:1 the last occurrence of QEOS is called “a predicate noun” or, “a predicate nominative”. Such a noun tells us something about the subject, instead of telling what the subject is doing. This use of QEOS has reference to the subject, the Word, and does not have the article preceding it; it is anarthrous. This indicates that it is not definite. That is to say, it does not tell what position or office or rank the subject (the Word) occupies. The verb HN “was” follows the predicate noun QEOS; this is another factor in identifying QEOS here as qualitative. This discloses the quality or character of the Word. Of course, the gentleman up above disagrees with me, and he has used Moulton and Colwell to buttress his argument. But what have other Grammarians said about this same type of construction? There is no basis for regarding the predicate theos as definite. In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate [noun] is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite.
-Philip Harner, Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 92:1, 1973, pp. 85, 7.

We must, then take Theos, without the article, in the indefinite [“qualitative” would have been a better word choice] sense of a divine nature or a divine being, as distinguished from the definite absolute God [the Father], ho Theos, the authotheos [selfgod] of Origen. Thus the Theos of John [1:1c] answers to “the image of God” of Paul, Col. 1:15.
-G. Lucke, “Dissertation on the Logos”, quoted by John Wilson in, Unitarian Principles Confirmed by Trinitarian Testimonies, p. 428.

As mentioned in the Note on 1c, the Prologue’s “The Word was God” offers a difficulty because there is no article before theos. Does this imply that “god” means less when predicated of the Word than it does when used as a name for the Father? Once again the reader must divest himself of a post-Nicene understanding of the vocabulary involved.
-Raymond E. Brown, The Anchor Bible, p. 25.

The most natural reading of John 1:1 shows that there are two being mentioned (not three): God and a second who was ‘theos’. They are not presented as two coequal persons in a Binity or Trinity. What we really have is one with the character of THEOS who is with TON THEOS (the God), thus he cannot be the God he is with! The LOGOS is unique however. He/it is identified further in the gospel as “a son from a father, begotten, as a visible being verses the unseen God, Now, without redefining the word THEOS we need to explain how we can have two who are both referred to as “theos.” Either there were two equal Gods or persons called God, or it is talking about a godlike one that is with the Almighty God. When we read all the scriptures we see that the scriptures including the Book of John backs up the last view, that the Father is greater than the Son; that the Father is the only God and the Son is the image of The God.

So what conclusion are we to draw from John 1:1 and the Book of John? In John’s own words he explains the conclusion for his Book. This conclusion is not the Trinity Doctrine. Read the verse below to see what the conclusion is.

John 20:30-31.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. “

So John wrote this gospel so that we may come to the conclusion that Jesus is truly the Christ and the Son of God. In addition to this important truth we are also told that we may receive life through his name. The Trinity Doctrine is not the conclusion that one should draw from this writing. Belief that Jesus is the Christ and the Son is the foundation of true faith and Jesus built his Church on this truth. The Trinity Doctrine is not that foundation, rather it is another foundation.

So why don’t translations of the bible translate John 1:1 as the Word was divine. Well first of all it is not incorrect to say that the Word was god, but Trinitarians translators say the Word was God which makes readers think that Jesus is the God (the person). However, in order to bring out the true meaning, some translations actually use the word ‘divine’. See below:

“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”
An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith, The University of Chicago Press, p. 173

“The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine”
by Dr. James Moffatt

So the idea that Jesus Christ is God is often and supposedly supported by John 1:1. However the rest of John’s Gospel makes careful distinctions between Jesus and his Father as well as Jesus and God. This same distinction and separation is found throughout the rest of the New Testament too. The New Testament actually goes much further than merely distinguishing and separating the two. In John 17:3 Jesus, in prayer to his Father, refers to him as “the only true God”. In John 20:17 the resurrected Jesus refers to his Father as “my Father, and your Father; and… my God, and your God.” In I Corinthians 8:6 the Apostle Paul says of Christians, “to us there is but one God, the Father.” In I Timothy 2:5 Paul states, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” In Ephesians 1:17 Paul refers to the Father as “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory.” And in Revelation 3:12 the resurrected and glorified Jesus says, “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

We must also remember that the judges of Israel were called gods/theos. This doesn’t mean that they were part of God or part of the Trinity, it just means that they had authority given to them by God. It is also written that we can partake of divine nature, so that could also make us divine just as partaking in flesh makes us man. It must be noted though, that being divine or partaking in divine nature is different to actually being the Divine himself.

Also see John 10:34-35:
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods” (theos).
35 If he called them gods (theos), to whom the word of God (ho theos) came, and the Scripture cannot be broken,

2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Also Jesus said that he was one with his Father and he also prayed that we would be one with them. See John 17:21
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

We humans were intended to share in the divine nature too, yet we are not the God. John 1:1 shows us that the Word was god (divine), not (the Word was/is the God, Yahweh) which many seem to think it says. The Word came from God, is of God, is like God, and this is consistent with the scriptures we have looked at thus far. 1 Corinthians 11:3 reinforces this statement because the word “head” in the Greek is translated “from”, source or authority. Remember that the woman came from Man and Man came from Christ and Christ came from God. This is the divine order.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God, Jesus wasn’t created, rather the Word was born from God in eternity and that is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten of the Father. (John 1:14) (John 1:18) (John 3:16 ) (John 3:18 ) (1 John 4:9 ). The word begotten means (only child, single of its kind). Notice that our spirits are born from God, but through his Word, and our spirits will go back to God who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7) . But Jesus was not begotten through the Word because he is the Word, this is why Jesus is unique because he is the only one begotten of the Father and therefore he is the image of his Father. That is why he is called the Image of God and the Firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15) and it is also why the Bible says in (Hebrews 1:5) For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father” Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”

Unlike his Father who is the invisible Spirit, Jesus does have a body and is visible. Jesus was born from God. We must remember that although his Father is greater than himself, he is also not just a man like us. Yes he partook of flesh and came as a man like us, but he also existed in the form of God as the Word or Logos. We are told that he resides between God and Man and as a man he is our mediator to God. It was indeed the Word that became flesh. God did not  become flesh, instead God resided in Christ who came in the flesh. So just like us, God can be in us who are made of flesh, but God himself did not become flesh. God is not a man and never will be a man. It was the Word who came to us as a man and it was the Word that all things  were created though. See John 1:3.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

And to compliment the fact that God made all things through his Word, and that Jesus is the Word of God, even ignoring the fact that Jesus wears a title, “The Word of God” as recorded in the Book of Revelation, we are specifically told, that God created everything through Jesus Christ. See :Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 

So Jesus was begotten not created and again, this is why he is called God’s only begotten Son and this is why he is unique. He is seated at the right hand of God and situated between God & Man. This is also why he is the only mediator between God & Man and the only name under heaven whereby Man can be saved. God made creation through him and for him and God redeemed creation through him too. God cannot fellowship with sin that is why he sent his Son into the world, so he could bring us back to himself through his mediator. Jesus came from God and he was in the beginning with God. So what does it mean when it says ‘beginning’? The Greek word for beginning, in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word” is ‘arche’ and this word means the following:

1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4) the extremity of a thing
4a) of the corners of a sail
5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
5a) of angels and demons

Below I will show you a verse where the word “beginning” or ‘arche’ is also mentioned and I think you will agree that it is rather obvious from this verse that it does not mean eternity or eternal. The verse is John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.

Just for good measure, I will also throw in the first verse in the bible, which also uses the word beginning (note that this a Hebrew word). I am sure we can all agree that the earth has not been in existence for all of eternity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Certainly if we read John 1:1 correctly and in context with all scripture, we see that it is not teaching that God is a Trinity.

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  • November 5, 2013 at 7:22 am#361191
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,01:17)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,10:38)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,15:21)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    If you find anything in contradiction in the kjv,
    it's most likely you,not the translation.

    wakeup.

    Then why are you not an Anglican as you think they are carried along by the spirit.


    Kerwin.

    Why should I be an anglican?

    I found NO contradictions in the kjv.
    Why can't I?
    Because all is in harmony.

    If you find any contradictions: that would be your
    interpretation of the scriptures,
    not the scriptures.

    wakeup.


    w

    where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    you have only spelled 7 seven times ,so you are missing about 6993 of them

    or are you so blind of not seeing that ???

    and call others liar ,not good


    T.

    Are you trying to proof that the kjv is fake, because it did not mention Gods name 7000times? The NT did not mentioned God's name 7000 times.
    You wont hesitate to make God's name too common,would you? Just like tom,dick,and,harry.
    His name is blasphemed everyday and night by false teachers.
    Using God's name for own gain.

    I have no problem even if God's name is only mentioned
    ones in the kj. That's not a problem to me.I know his name is JHWH,but only, one of his many names.He only needs to introduce His name to me once,not 7000times.
    What I'm seeking is harmony in the book.

    Truth is the treasure I am after;and the kjv has given me that.I dont need to go shopping for more bibles,because I can not find what i'm looking for: in the one bible,I have found the whole truth.

    YOU STILL HAVE TO SHOP AROUND TO FIND WHAT YOU WANT.AND YOU WILL CONTUNUE SHOPPING,BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT FIND IT.

    wakeup.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:54 am#361212
    jammin
    Participant

    Kerwin,
    You dont want to answer my question and now you want to escape? I know you cant me give me versions. Repent and be baptized

    November 5, 2013 at 1:56 pm#361219
    journey42
    Participant

    [quote=terraricca,Nov. 03 2013,01:17][/quote]

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     where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    Pierre

    Is his name 7000 times in your bible or should I say bibles?

    November 5, 2013 at 2:06 pm#361221
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 05 2013,06:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,22:55)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2013,11:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,10:38)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,15:21)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    If you find anything in contradiction in the kjv,
    it's most likely you,not the translation.

    wakeup.

    Then why are you not an Anglican as you think they are carried along by the spirit.


    Kerwin.

    Why should I be an anglican?

    I found NO contradictions in the kjv.
    Why can't I?
    Because all is in harmony.

    If you find any contradictions: that would be your
    interpretation of the scriptures,
    not the scriptures.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    So you are saying that a number of Satan's servants translated the Scripture and yet chose not to corrupt it in any way but when it comes to other versions they chose to corrupt them.  

    The reason you have found no errors is that you don't acknowledge them when they exist.   It does not care if there are errors as the Spirit is what teaches the truth.  

    I do believe that the Church of England's opposition to ghosts caused them to interpret certain words so as to obscure the mention of ghosts in Scripture.  Then their belief in hell led them to lump references to the land of the dead together with the lake of fire all under the same name even though they are two different places.  Then they translate Passover to Easter when it occurs after Jesus' death but not before.  These all can be overcome by those listen to the Spirit but not but those that love the lack of knowledge.


    Kerwin.

    You make your choices,and do what you have to do.
    No one can make that choice for you.

    BTW; Easter is celebrated by the Romans
    long before Christ: it is to celebrate the goddes ester.
    The christian world has adopted it, to celebrate the death,
    and resurrection of Christ.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    The Koine Greek Word translated Easter is the Hebrew holiday of Passover and not Roman Easter, if the later even existed.  The Translators of the AKJV celebrated Easter as a Christian holiday.   It was a choice made because of the translators doctrinal bias.  The Catholics chose to change Easter(Passover) from the time it was celebrated to the current period some centuries ago, and possibly before it was called Easter by English speakers.


    Kerwin

    You are filled with worldly knowledge; There is no room for spiritual knowledge.

    Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.

    AFTER THE ROMANS HAVE FININISHED THEIR CELEBRATION.
    (EASTER/OSTRE/ASTER/ASTEROTH/ESTER.
    SHE IS THE OWL WORSHIPPED BY LEADERS TODAY.

    (THE BOHEMIAN GROVE)

    Isaiah 34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of **dragons**, **and a court for owls**.

    Isaiah 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the *satyr* shall cry to his fellow; the **screech owl** also shall rest there, and find for **herself** a place of rest.

    wakeup.

    November 5, 2013 at 3:40 pm#361228
    terraricca
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     where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    Pierre

    Is his name 7000 times in your bible or should I say bibles?


    J42

    IT IS IN each of THREE BIBLES THAT I HAVE BUT THE 7000 NUMBER IS NOMINAL IT IS SOMETHING BETWEEN 6000 AND 7000 TIMES OR MORE THIS IS FROM THE STUDIES I DID LONG AGO BUT THAT IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING WHAT IS ,IS THAT THEY ARE MISSING IN THE KJV ,WHY ???

    November 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm#361249
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 05 2013,16:54)
    Kerwin,
    You dont want to answer my question and now you want to escape? I know you cant me give me versions. Repent and be baptized


    Jammin,

    I want you to start reading my posts so that your questions are up to date on what is going on. It is clear you are not reading them and I am wasting my time posting them.

    November 5, 2013 at 6:38 pm#361250
    kerwin
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    Quote
    You are filled with worldly knowledge; There is no room for spiritual knowledge.

    These words here tell me you have no idea what you are talking about. The correct definitions are.

    Worldly knowledge = knowledge based on sinful principles.
    Spiritual knowledge = knowledge based on righteous principles.

    Is knowledge of what a word means sinful. The answer is no. Stop embracing the lack of knowledge while claiming you do so for God. Did you not understand the parable of the talents?

    Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.

    You do not even bother testing these things people tell you or you would know Herod was a Jew and zealous one at that. The Jews actually liked him. He was not one to celebrate a pagan holiday. You were lied to and because you chose not to test the spirits of it you were deceived.

    Another lie is that there was a Roman Holiday Easter. There is no evidence of it.

    You are instructed to test what you believe.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:50 pm#361266
    Wakeup
    Participant

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     where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    Pierre

    Is his name 7000 times in your bible or should I say bibles?


    J42

    IT IS IN THREE BIBLES THAT I HAVE BUT THE 7000 NUMBER IS NOMINAL IT IS SOMETHING BETWEEN 6000 AND 7000 TIMES OR MORE THIS IS FROM THE STUDIES I DID LONG AGO BUT THAT IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING WHAT IS ,IS THAT THEY ARE MISSING IN THE KJV ,WHY ???


    T.

    Can you show us those names pleae?

    wakeup.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:54 pm#361267
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,04:38)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    You are filled with worldly knowledge; There is no room for spiritual knowledge.

    These words here tell me you have no idea what you are talking about.   The correct definitions are.

    Worldly knowledge = knowledge based on sinful principles.
    Spiritual knowledge = knowledge based on righteous principles.

    Is knowledge of what a word means sinful.  The answer is no.  Stop embracing the lack of knowledge while claiming you do so for God.  Did you not understand the parable of the talents?

    Acts 12:4   And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.

    You do not even bother testing these things people tell you or you would know Herod was a Jew and zealous one at that.  The Jews actually liked him.  He was not one to celebrate a pagan holiday.   You were lied to and because you chose not to test the spirits of it you were deceived.

    Another lie is that there was a Roman Holiday Easter.  There is no evidence of it.

    You are instructed to test what you believe.


    Kewin.

    Herod had an arab father.
    He was appointed by ceasar to rule over the jews.
    He is under supervision of Rome.
    Jews dont celebrate the goddes ostre.

    wakeup.

    November 6, 2013 at 12:07 am#361268
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2013,04:50)

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     where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    Pierre

    Is his name 7000 times in your bible or should I say bibles?


    J42

    IT IS IN THREE BIBLES THAT I HAVE BUT THE 7000 NUMBER IS NOMINAL IT IS SOMETHING BETWEEN 6000 AND 7000 TIMES OR MORE THIS IS FROM THE STUDIES I DID LONG AGO BUT THAT IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING WHAT IS ,IS THAT THEY ARE MISSING IN THE KJV ,WHY ???


    T.

    Can you show us those names pleae?

    wakeup.


    w

    just look in your KJV and where it says “LORD ” YOU SHOULD HAVE THE NAME OF GOD “JEHOVAH ” OR ” YAHWEH ” BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY ;you just can accepted that your KJV is corrupted just like all the others ,and so try to defend what cannot be defended ,history is there ,and cannot be change,

    November 6, 2013 at 2:35 am#361290
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,04:15)

    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 05 2013,16:54)
    Kerwin,
    You dont want to answer my question and now you want to escape? I know you cant me give me versions. Repent and be baptized


    Jammin,

    I want you to start reading my posts so that your questions are up to date on what is going on.  It is clear you are not reading them and I am wasting my time posting them.


    i read your post and you gave me no version. i dont need your explanation. i need versions. do you understand?

    November 6, 2013 at 2:42 am#361291
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 06 2013,07:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,04:15)

    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 05 2013,16:54)
    Kerwin,
    You dont want to answer my question and now you want to escape? I know you cant me give me versions. Repent and be baptized


    Jammin,

    I want you to start reading my posts so that your questions are up to date on what is going on.  It is clear you are not reading them and I am wasting my time posting them.


    i read your post and you gave me no version. i dont need your explanation. i need versions. do you understand?


    Jammin,

    Go back and read them again as I already admitted “aspect” was the wrong English word to express the ideas I wrote out. The correct word is “like” as God is like his Word in that they are both divine. Your question revealed you were not keeping up with the conversation.

    November 6, 2013 at 3:23 am#361294
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 05 2013,18:56)

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     where are the 7000 times the name in the KJV ???

    Pierre

    Is his name 7000 times in your bible or should I say bibles?


    j42

    you can go to the BIBLE OF JERUSALEM ” VERSION 1964 -+

    English OR FRENCH SAME THING

    ~THE BOOK OF YAHWEH~
    The Original Bible

    The House of Yahweh – P.O. Box 2498 – Abilene, Texas 79604 USA
    A HOUSE OF YAHWEH®TM Publication COPYRIGHTED,© 2004 All Rights Reserved

    Book of YahwehNearly everyone can agree that the Bible may be the single most important and influential book ever written. Nearly every home has a Bible and millions of people read their Bible daily seeking inspiration and hope. However, very few people ever question the accuracy of their Bibles.

    Leading Bible scholars admit that today's translations are quite different from the original writings. They have found more than 20,000 errors in the most popular translations. In many of today's versions, words and phrases have been added or deleted, making it nearly impossible to understand the true meaning of many crucial verses.

    The Bible was first written in Hebrew, and then translated into Aramaic, then Greek, then Latin and finally to English. When translated from one language to another footnotes were added. The copyists, scribes, and translators would write footnotes in their manuscripts of the Bible which would later be included in the text by other copyists.

    Besides these additions, other words in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts were either left untranslated or completely removed. Many archeological discoveries in the past 30 years or so have shed great light on the vast differences between the original writings and the many English translations that flood the market. The most amazing of these discoveries involves the very Name of the Creator.

    The Name Of The Creator Unearthed

    The first of these archeological findings was discovered during excavations in Arad, Israel that took place during the 1960s and 1970s. Fragments of pottery were found at an Israelite sanctuary which dated back to the days of King Solomon. Inscribed in Hebrew on one of these is a reference to the “House of Yahweh”. This was reported in The Jerusalem Post in an article entitled “Unearthing the Land” which appeared June 29,1973.

    Here is an excerpt from that article and a fragment of the pottery:

    fragment pottery “Mostly used for business transactions, these humble documents are a mine of historic information. At Arad, excavated by Yohanan Aharoni, reference is made to a 'House of YHWH'”.

    ancient silver scroll The second of these finds was the very oldest Scriptural text ever found, dating back almost 2,600 years. This was found in a tiny silver amulet which contained a Seventh Century b.c.e. extract from the Book of Numbers (6:24-26), the Priestly Blessing. The rolled up amulet was part of a treasure hoard found by a Tel Aviv University archeologist in a First Temple Period family tomb in Jerusalem, Israel. When this amulet was written, the Temple of Solomon still stood, the heirs of King David still ruled on the throne, and the Dead Sea Scrolls would not be written for another four hundred years.

    It was three years after its discovery before this fragile amulet could be unrolled by technical experts at the Israeli Museum. On this amulet the Name of Yahweh could be clearly read in the original Hebrew language. Complete details of this magnificent find can be read in the June 28, 1986 and the August 9, 1986 issues of The Jerusalem Post, and the June, 1987 issue of The Readers Digest.

    ……. The Work Begins …….

    An abundance of data has been published for many years, documenting the facts concerning the Name Yahweh, but this was generally confined to footnotes, scriptural commentaries, dictionaries, encyclopedias, lexicons, and concordances. The information in these books all pointed to one fact; that the Creator's Name is Yahweh and that this Name was written exclusively in the most ancient manuscripts of the Bible. This fact is openly admitted, not only among scholars of the scriptures, but also among religious denominations as well.

    Here are just a few excerpts from our early research on this subject.

    Proof About The Name Of Yahweh

    Joseph Rotherham, in The Emphasized Bible, A New Translation, the Standard Publishing Co., 1902, says this in the “Introduction, The Incommunicable Name:”

    The Name Suppressed: THE FACT
    It is willingly admitted that the suppression has not been absolute; at least so far as Hebrew and English are concerned. The Name, in its four essential letters (YHWH), was reverently transcribed by the Hebrew copyist, and therefore was necessarily placed before the eye of the Hebrew reader. The latter, however, was instructed not to pronounce it, but to utter instead a less sacred name—Adonay or Elohim. In this way The Name was not suffered to reach the ear of the listener. To that degree it was suppressed. The Septuagint, or ancient Greek version (LXX), made the concealment complete by regularly substituting Kurios; as the Vulgate, in like manner, employed Dominus; both Kurios and Dominus having at the same time their own proper service to render as correctly answering to the Hebrew Adonay, confessedly meaning 'Lord'. The English versions do nearly the same things, in rendering The Name as LORD, and occasionally GOD; these terms also having their own rightful office to fill as fitly representing the Hebrew titles Adonay and Elohim and El, so that the Tetragrammaton is nearly hidden in our public English versions. 'Confusion', then, is a term not a whit too strong to apply to these varying devices. No wonder that even intelligent and educated people are continually forgetting what they have heard or read concerning so involved a matter.

    Rotherham then gives reasons why the Name Yahweh must be restored, and from now on retained in the Scriptures:

    1. Because its suppression was a mistake. So grave a mistake cannot be corrected too soon. An unwarrantable liberty has been taken; the path of humility is to retrace our steps. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict, and to vindicate the propriety of not employing it in a new and independent translation.

    Unger's Bible Dictionary, Merrill F. Unger, 1957, page 1177, says:
    Yahweh (ya´we). The Hebrew tetragrammaton (YHWH) traditionally pronounced Jehovah (q.v.) is now known to be correctly vocalized yahwe. New inscriptional evidence from the second and first millennia B.C. point toward this fact.

    Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, 1975, Vol. 2, page 690, tell us:
    The Name par excellence for the Creator of Israel is Yahweh, found 6,823 times in the OT. Through Israyl's deliverance from bondage in Egypt, adoption as a nation, and guidance to the Promised Land, the Redeemer-Creator is especially known by this Name.

    The Interpreter's Dictionary, 1962, Vol. 4, page 923, says:
    Yahweh -The vocalization of the four consonants of the Israelite name
    for the Creator, which scholars believe to approximate the original pronunciation.

    James Moffatt, in his translation, The Bible: A New Translation, 1935, informs us in his introduction:
    Strictly speaking this ought to be rendered `Yahweh' which is familiar to modern readers in the erroneous form of 'Jehovah'. Were this version intended for students of the original, there would be no hesitation whatever in printing 'Yahweh'.

    The Encyclopedia Judaica, 1972, Vol. 7, page 680, states emphatically:
    The true pronunciation of the Name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the Name was pronounced 'YAHWEH'.

    ancient textThe personal Name of the Creator is written in the Hebrew scriptures with the four consonants YHWH, and is referred to as the Tetragrammaton. At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., Yahweh's Name was pronounced regularly with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that day. However, at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the Name Yahweh was avoided, and Adonai, 'the Lord', was substituted for it.

    The Century Bible, Vol. 1, pages 90-91, tells us:
    Some time after the return from the Captivity, and before the beginning of the Christian era, the Jews came to believe that the Holy Name YAHWEH was too sacred to be uttered on ordinary occasions. It was said to be pronounced by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement. At other times, when any one read or quoted aloud from what is called the Old Testament, the word `Adonay, 'Lord', was usually substituted for YAHWEH, and similarly the LXX (Septuagint Version) has Kurios, the Vulgate dominus, and the E.V. LORD, where the Hebrew has YAHWEH. Hebrew was originally written without vowels, but when the vowel points were added, the vowels of Adonay or Elohim were written with YAHWEH, as a direction that these words were to be read instead of the word whose consonants were YAHWEH; thus we find the combinations YeHoWaH and YeHoWiH. At the Reformation, the former being the more usual, was sometimes used as the Name of the (Mighty One) of Israyl, and owing to ignorance of its history was misread as Jehovah, a form which has established itself in English, but does not give the pronunciation of the Holy Name it represents.

    The Hiding Of Yahweh's Name

    The Masorites, Hebrew scribes during the Middle Ages, who added the vowel points to the accepted Hebrew text, did not remove Yahweh's Name from the scriptures. They did, however, point the four letter Name of Yahweh with the vowel marks of the titles Elohim or Adonai. However, when the scriptures were translated into Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and later on, English, Lord was substituted for the Name Yahweh.

    Unger's Bible Dictionary, on page 665, says:
    Lord (Hebrew, Adon), an early word denoting ownership; hence, absolute control. It is not properly a divine title. The Jews, out of a superstitious reverence for the Name Yahweh, always, in reading, pronounce Adonai (lord) whereYahweh is written.

    Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:
    The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH…is injuriously out of sight.

    The Decision
    That Changed Publishing History

    Some conscientious scholars have made meager attempts to restore the Name of the Creator in the Holy Scriptures. Their efforts have been much appreciated by serious Bible students. Their efforts to correct these mistakes have brought about new inroads, leading to deeper studies of the scriptures. However, the conscientious scholars, whose work is now being studied worldwide, knew their work was very insignificant, compared to the corrections that were needed. The words that Joseph Rotherham wrote in 1902 seemed to speak directly to us.

    1. Because its suppression was a mistake. So grave a mistake cannot be corrected too soon. An unwarrantable liberty has been taken; the path of humility is to retrace our steps. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict, and to vindicate the propriety of not employing it in a new and independent translation.

    We decided to go far beyond all other conscientious scholars and produce a completely new and independent translation, restoring Yahweh's Name to the Holy Scriptures.

    We were determined to produce a Bible that would remain as faithful to the original writings as humanly possible. Above all else, we wanted a Bible that we would look forward to reading again and again—a book that we could treasure for years to come.

    In producing The Book of Yahweh, every known biblical reference source available was used, including many rare and out of print books and facsimile copies of the most ancient manuscripts.

    More Discoveries Validate Our Work!

    As we labored to produce this groundbreaking and potentially controversial work, new archeological discoveries were made that actually validated what we were doing.

    ivory pomegranateThe Name of Yahweh Engraved on an Ivory Pomegranate Decoration
    Biblical Archaeology Review, Jan.-Feb. 1990, p. 49
    BAR recently published a beautiful carved ivory pomegranate with an important inscription on it. As partially reconstructed, the engraved inscription around the neck of the pomegranate reads as follows: “Belonging to the House of Yahweh Holy to the Priests.” Based on this reading, many scholars have concluded that the ivory pomegranate originally came from the Jerusalem Temple constructed by King Solomon.

    clay receiptThree-shekel receipt provides evidence of King Solomon's Temple
    November 3, 1997
    NEW YORK (AP) — Talk about holding on to a receipt.
    A recently discovered piece of pottery recording a donation to the “House of Yahweh” may contain the oldest mention outside the Bible of King Solomon's Temple. The 3½-by-4-inch artifact is nearly 3,000 years old, dating to a time when kings sent messages inscribed on pottery.

    deadseaYahweh's Name In The Dead Sea Scrolls
    This photo of Psalms 119:59-64 in the Dead Sea Scrolls which are a collection of Hebrew Scriptures that date back 2000 years. Note Yahweh's Name, indicated by the arrow, in the ancient Hebrew script while the rest of the text is in a more modern Hebrew that was used at the time.

    Yahweh's Name Found in Earliest Copies of the Septuagint

    Here are two examples of Yahweh's Name in ancient copies of the Septuagint. The Septuagint is a 3rd to 2nd Century b.c.e. Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The fragments shown are evidence that the Septuagint originally contained the name Yahweh.

    Septuagine-1This example is an ancient fragment of the Septuagint dated between 50 b.c.e. and 50 c.e.(a.d.). If this dating is correct, it would have been written near the time of the Savior's ministry. Yahweh's Name is indicated with the large black arrow.

    Swptuagint-2Notice that 'Yahweh' is written in the ancient Hebrew (Paleo-Hebrew) script. This example is an ancient fragment of the Septuagint dating to the First Century c.e. (a.d.). This fragment contains parts of Job Chapter 42.

    Importance Placed On The Names!

    Throughout the Holy Scriptures, one can read of the importance placed on the Name of Yahweh. Knowing and using Yahweh's Name in worship and study has been intensely important for each generation. It is no less important for this generation and for future generations to understand the message of the original ancient writings.

    In striving to produce the most accurate Bible ever, we have restor
    ed Yahweh's Name in all the Scriptures in which it was inspired to be written. We have also replaced Yahweh's Name in each of the hundreds of places where it was used in compound with place names, and within personal names.

    According to the original writings, the Name of the one identified as the Savior is Yahshua, a compound Hebrew name meaning Yahweh is salvation.

    Most people are not familiar with the Name Yahshua, and instead use the name Jesus. However, scholars openly admit that the name Jesus replaced the original Name Yahshua in the Scriptures.

    New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 7, page 970, shows these facts:

    Jesus (The Name): In English, the name Jesus is a transliteration of the Latin form, Iesus, which represents the Greek form Iesous, of the Hebrew name Yesua (Yeshua). The latter is a late form, by vowel dissimilation, of the Name Yosua (Yahshua).

    In restoring the original names to their rightful places, we discovered that even the name of this wonderful book comes from the original writings.

    Isayah 34:16
    “Search out The Book Of Yahweh and read….”

    Following are only a few of the many Bible verses in which the use of Yahweh's Name gives a profoundly different meaning to the verse compared to using the title Lord.

    Take a look at these examples from The Book Of Yahweh and compare them to the translation you use. Please keep in mind that we are dealing with a proper name and not just a title.

    Proverbs 30:4—
    Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? And what is the Name of His sons? Tell me, if you know!

    Jeremiah 33:2—
    This is what Yahweh says Who made the earth, Yahweh Who formed it to establish it—Yahweh is His Name.

    Exodus 3:15—
    Yahweh also said to Mosheh: This also shall you say to the children of Israyl; Yahweh, the Heavenly Father of your fathers, the Mighty One of Abraham, the Mighty One of Isaac, and the Mighty One of Yaaqob, has sent me to you. This is MY NAME forever, and this is MY MEMORIAL: the Name by which I am to be remembered by, from generation to generation, for all generations.

    Isaiah 42:8—
    I am Yahweh, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images.

    Psalm 68:4—
    Sing to Yahweh; sing praises to His Name! Extol our Father Who rides the clouds by His Name—YAHWEH, and rejoice in front of Him!

    Matthew 6:9—
    After this manner; you should pray, Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed is Your Name.

    Psalm 23:6—
    Surely righteousness and mercy will follow us all the days of our lives; and we will dwell in The House of Yahweh forever!

    Psalm 83:18—
    Let men know that You, Whose Name alone is Yahweh, are the Supreme Head over all the earth.

    Literally hundreds of verses in the Bible mention the importance of the Name of our Creator, Yahweh. Obviously, the inspired writers did not make this point so often without serious reasons for doing so.

    Read them for yourself in The Book of Yahweh and compare them to your present translation.

    As the editors and annotators of the Original Bible, The Book Of Yahweh, we were determined to restore the many vital words which were left untranslated in today's modern English versions, which would have revealed the complete Message of Yahweh that was inspired to be written. The Book of Yahweh, The Original Bible, restores these words.

    We have also endeavored to remove all words which, according to the most critical references, have been added to the original Scriptures, such as the footnotes that mysteriously became “inspired writings” when later copyists incorrectly included them in the the Bible.

    Most of the time, these added words CHANGE, HIDE, or CONTRADICT the original message of Yahweh, effectively confusing the reader, who is in search of the truth of Yahweh. We have not omitted these Scriptures arbitrarily; indeed, commentaries of religious scholars have stated these scriptural facts. We have simply acted upon the facts presented where others did not.

    Correcting Additional Mistakes

    There are many other errors in modern translations that are admitted by the experts. Just a few of the many simple corrections from The Book Of Yahweh are shown below.

    Hebrews 4:8—
    Now Yahshua caused them to rest in obedience to the Law, spoken of by Yahweh in a day previously.

    Hebrews 4:9—
    Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath to the people of Yahweh.

    Matthew 5:17—
    Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them.

    Revelation 22:14—
    Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    John 1:17—
    For the Law was given through Mosheh, that the truth and salvation should come through Yahshua Messiah.

    Psalm 81:4—
    For this is a statute to Israyl, and a Law of the Father of Yaaqob.

    Colossians 2:16-17—
    16 Therefore, let no man condemn you for doing these things: eating and drinking in the observance of a Feast Day, or of a New Moon, or of the Sabbath Day;
    17 Which are a shadow from things to come for the body of Messiah.

    Compare these verses with those in your present Bible and enjoy the new found resonance with the original writings.

    Many of the corrections in The Book Of Yahweh can be easily proven just by using the Strong's Concordance. Others require more extensive reference works.

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    November 6, 2013 at 3:30 am#361295
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2013,04:54)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,04:38)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    You are filled with worldly knowledge; There is no room for spiritual knowledge.

    These words here tell me you have no idea what you are talking about.   The correct definitions are.

    Worldly knowledge = knowledge based on sinful principles.
    Spiritual knowledge = knowledge based on righteous principles.

    Is knowledge of what a word means sinful.  The answer is no.  Stop embracing the lack of knowledge while claiming you do so for God.  Did you not understand the parable of the talents?

    Acts 12:4   And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.

    You do not even bother testing these things people tell you or you would know Herod was a Jew and zealous one at that.  The Jews actually liked him.  He was not one to celebrate a pagan holiday.   You were lied to and because you chose not to test the spirits of it you were deceived.

    Another lie is that there was a Roman Holiday Easter.  There is no evidence of it.

    You are instructed to test what you believe.


    Kewin.

    Herod had an arab father.
    He was appointed by ceasar to rule over the jews.
    He is under supervision of Rome.
    Jews dont celebrate the goddes ostre.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    I do not know where you hear these things as King Herod was a member of the Herodian Dynasty, all of who were Jews. The father of the head of that line, Antigonus II Mattathias, was an Edomite that was converted to Judaism. Herod Agrippa's father was Aristobulus IV of that line. None were Arabs.

    He was given his position by Rome and he was under their authority.

    The Koine Greek word the KJV translators translated Easter is Passover, the name of the Jewish Holiday.

    I am glad to help you test the spirit of what you have heard.

    November 6, 2013 at 6:04 am#361313
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,13:30)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2013,04:54)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,04:38)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    You are filled with worldly knowledge; There is no room for spiritual knowledge.

    These words here tell me you have no idea what you are talking about.   The correct definitions are.

    Worldly knowledge = knowledge based on sinful principles.
    Spiritual knowledge = knowledge based on righteous principles.

    Is knowledge of what a word means sinful.  The answer is no.  Stop embracing the lack of knowledge while claiming you do so for God.  Did you not understand the parable of the talents?

    Acts 12:4   And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.

    You do not even bother testing these things people tell you or you would know Herod was a Jew and zealous one at that.  The Jews actually liked him.  He was not one to celebrate a pagan holiday.   You were lied to and because you chose not to test the spirits of it you were deceived.

    Another lie is that there was a Roman Holiday Easter.  There is no evidence of it.

    You are instructed to test what you believe.


    Kewin.

    Herod had an arab father.
    He was appointed by ceasar to rule over the jews.
    He is under supervision of Rome.
    Jews dont celebrate the goddes ostre.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    I do not know where you hear these things as King Herod was a member of the Herodian Dynasty, all of who were Jews.  The father of the head of that line, Antigonus II Mattathias, was an Edomite that was converted to Judaism. Herod Agrippa's father was Aristobulus IV of that line.  None were Arabs.

    He was given his position by Rome and he was under their authority.

    The Koine Greek word the KJV translators translated Easter is Passover, the name of the Jewish Holiday.

    I am glad to help you test the spirit of what you have heard.


    Kerwin.

    The torah believers dont celebrate easter.
    The pagans do.

    wakeup.

    November 6, 2013 at 7:08 am#361324
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=kerwin,Oct. 31 2013,07:47][/quote]

    Quote

    Jesus is yet another element but he is not God's physical body or heart.

    Kerwin,

    Hereunder is my post REGARDING YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE,which for a reason or another, YOU IGNORED

    DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU AGREE ?

    WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF?

    SO READ:

    COLOSSIANS 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;

    SO JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY PHYSICAL BODY OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

    HE IS THE GODHEAD PHYSICALLY!

    Hebrews 1:2In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS………….

    SO JESUS CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT, BODY AND SOUL OF GOD ALMIGHTY: SINCE HE INHERITED ALL THINGS OF GOD!

    THEREFORE, RESPECTIVELY:

    THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT!
    AGAIN UNITED AS ONE BEING IN JESUS CHRIST’S MYSTICAL BODY!

    THE TRIUNE GOD GLORIFIED  IN A UNIQUE ONE SPIRITUAL FLESH SUBSTANCE!

    THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT!

    ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!

    MORE!

    3Who being the brightness of his (GOD’S)glory, and the figure of his ( GOD’S) substance, and upholding all things by the word of his ( GOD’S) power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high. IN ONE GLORY

    IT ALSO MEANS THAT ON THE LAST DAY WHEN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST,THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF GOD’S KINGDOM,

    THE FATHER WOULD BE AL IN ALL THROUGH JESUS CHRIST'S UNIQUE GLORIFIED BODY! FOR ETERNITY!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    November 6, 2013 at 5:36 pm#361343
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,04:40)


    [quote=kerwin,Nov. 02 2013,04:40][/quote]

    Quote
    Genesis 1:1
    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Kerwin,

    THE ABOVE, ALTHOUGH IT SAYS HEAVEN AND EARTH, WITH REGARDS TO THE EARTH, IT DOESN'T REFER TO THE SAME EARTH THAT WE LIVE IN,FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT OUR EARTH IS EVIL, AND MORTAL, AND THAT PARTICULAR EARTH WAS IN FULL GOD'S HARMONY, AND GLORY!THEREFORE IN BRIGHT LIGHT! SINCE GOD IS LIGHT!

    NOW READ JOB REGARDING THIS, AND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN GENESIS 1:1

    Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid up the foundations of the earth ? tell me if thou hast understanding.

    5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    6 UPON WHAT ARE ITS BASES GROUNDED ? or who laid the corner stone thereof,

    FROM THE ABOVE WE ARE CERTAIN THAT THE EARTH WAS ON ITS OWN, THERE WAS NOT ANY KIND OF GROUND, LIKE GRAVITY, AND THE SUN, ITS FUNCTION WAS COMPLETELY BY ITSELF, BY GOD’S POWER, AND WISDOM! WHICH GOD REFERRED TO IT IN THE WORDS :

    WHO LAID THE CORNER STONE THEREOF

    SO GOD ALMIGHTY LAID THE CORNER STONE NO? AND THAT WAS THE WORD

    7 When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody?

    THE ANGELS WERE CALLED MORNING STARS TO INDICATE THAT THERE WAS NO DARKNESS. OBVIOUS ALL BY THE WORD! THEREFORE ALL IN BRIGHT LIGHT, NO NEED OF THE SUN!

    Rev: 22:5And NIGHT SHALL BE NO MORE: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, NOR THE LIGHT OF THE SON, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    OK? IT IS CLEAR : NIGHT SHALL BE NO MORE, AND NO NEED OF THE SUN! SO ALL WOULD BE RSTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS IT WAS IN GENESIS 1:1!

    November 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm#361344
    terraricca
    Participant

    Charles

    Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid up the foundations of the earth ? tell me if thou hast understanding.

    what are the foundation of the earth ???

    Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
    before his deeds of old;
    Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
    from the beginning, before the world began.

    Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
    so the waters would not overstep his command,
    and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

    Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
    I was filled with delight day after day,

    November 6, 2013 at 11:25 pm#361353
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2013,10:57)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,09:48)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 28 2013,09:58)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2013,04:09)
    :)  Okay Marty.  But did you notice that EVERYTHING said about “the Word” in John 1 is also said in scripture about “Jesus”?  Because that is what I thought you would see from my post.

    Marty, consider the last words of 1:14……. “full of grace and truth”.  Now consider the exact moment in John 1 where John stops calling this person “the Word” and starts calling him “Jesus”.  (Follow the words “grace” and “truth”):

    16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace……..

    At this point, “the Word” is still the subject of the teaching, and the name “Jesus” has not yet been written.  So at this point, we know that grace came to us through “the Word”.  

    DO YOU AGREE SO FAR?  YES or NO?

    Now watch:

    17 ……grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

    Do you agree that verse 16 says grace came from “the Word”?  YES or NO?

    And do you agree that verse 17 says grace came from “Jesus Christ”?  YES or NO?

    Now look back to verse 14:  We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Verse 14 is written about the one that had so far only been identified as “the Word”.  Do you agree?  And this “Word” came FROM the Father, full of grace and truth.  Do you agree?

    1.  Is the Word actually the Father Himself?  Or did the Word come FROM the Father?  Which one?

    2.  Are you able to see that “grace and truth” came from the Word?  And are you able to see that “grace and truth” came from Jesus Christ?


    Hi Mike:

    Jesus was born into this world a man child and the scriptures state:


    I agree 100% that Jesus was born into this world as a “man child” (by which strange language I assume you mean “human child”).

    So we both agree on that, and therefore it never needs to be brought up again in one of our discussions, right?  (Because it is a diversion, and not any kind of ANSWER to all the points I made in the above post.)

    So let's go more slowly:

    John 1:14
    The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Forget all the other words for a minute, and focus only on the big ones.  Can you and I agree that “the Word” came to us “full of grace and truth”?


    No, Mike, it does not work that way with me, but you want to erase some of the scripture or add a little “a” here or a “who” there in order to make the scriptures state what you want them to say.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Alright Marty,

    Then DON'T erase the words in between if you don't want to.

    The question still remains:

    Does John 1:14 tell us that THE WORD made his dwelling among us and was full of grace and truth?  YES or NO?

    November 7, 2013 at 12:07 am#361354
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,15:43)
    So what difference does that make?
    We know that God's name is Jehovah.

    Why should one need to introduce ones name 7000 times?


    Wakeup,

    I believe the point is that if the actual Hebrew text says “YHWH”, and the KJV translates that Hebrew word as “Jehovah” on a few occasions, what gives them the right to NOT translate the same Hebrew word as “Jehovah” the rest of the times it is in the Hebrew text?

    Pierre quoted Joseph Rotherham, who said it better than I could:

    Because its suppression was a mistake. So grave a mistake cannot be corrected too soon. An unwarrantable liberty has been taken; the path of humility is to retrace our steps. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict………..

    Why did the KJV scholars take such an “unwarrantable liberty”?  Why did they take it upon themselves, mere men, to suppress the proper name of our Creator?

    It's good to know that the KJV people released a “Divine Name” translation last year, where they restored God's proper name to all the places it was written in the Hebrew text.  They have at last taken “the path of humility” and “retraced their steps” – as suggested above by Rotherham.

    The point is not whether or not YOU think 7000 times is too many, Wakeup. The point is to make an ACCURATE translation of the scriptures. That means if the Hebrew equivalent of “man” is written 10,000 times, we must translate as “man” 10,000 times. And if the Hebrew equivalent of “Jehovah” is written 6832 times, we must translate as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah” 6832 times. No more, no less.

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