John 1:1

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV)
b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon)
c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV).

John 1:1b says that the Word was with God and John 1:1c says that the Word was God, so how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? Well part of the answer to discovering the meaning of this verse is found in 1 John 1:1-2

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life and the life was manifested, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was made manifest to us”.

First when we read 1John 1:2, it suggests to us that the God in John1:1b is the Father himself.

Secondly, we see In John 1:1c, the last word God is missing the definite article, (THE). The definite article is before all other instances of the word ‘God’ and ‘Logos’ in John 1:1. (e.g., the Word, The God.), yet is absent in the last mention of God. Read on because this can be significant as you are about to find out.

Greek sentence construction affirms that if a noun doesn’t have a preceding article, (THE) it can be read as an adjective (a predicate adjective); and if such a noun does have a preceding article it should be considered a noun (a predicate nominative). Understanding this is a game changer. Scholars see the benefit of the rule for affirming the deity of Christ in John 1:1, but haven’t made the difference clear regarding the difference between identity and nature or definite and qualitative. Don’t worry if this makes no sense to you. It will.

Look at the difference between these two sentences.

1) You are an angel
2) You are THE angel.

Notice how the first one is using the word angel in a qualitative way while the second is definite. Hence the term ‘definite article’.

In John 1:1, all instances of the word ‘God” are preceded by the definite article ‘THE’, except the last one.

So it literally says:

John1:1
a) In the beginning was THE God.
b) THE Word was with THE God
c) And THE Word was god.

Why is the last word not capitalised? Where Greek uses the definite article in English we capitalise the word. e.g., the god = God.

So it is grammatically correct to read John 1:1c with a qualitative sense rather reading it as identifying the Word as God himself. It is not only grammatically correct to read it this way, it is also theologically correct because if we read it as THE Theos, then that would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God even to the exclusion of the Father. Now we have two good reasons for reading the last word ‘god/theos’ as qualitative and not as THE God or God.

In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn’t always have a preceding definite article which is true, however looking at the verse contextually, we understand that there is clearly two being spoken of, i.e., one God and one called the Word with is clearly another who is next to God and is not that God he is with.

Let’s look at Adam and Eve as an example of two beings that were with each other. Before I give an example, it is important for you at this point to understand that the Hebrew word for ‘man’ is ‘adam’. This means that qualitatively, Adam and Eve are both adam. This is similar to the word theos which is translated as the ‘God’ & god. The absence of the definite article can qualify just as the word adam qualifies. As I said before, in English we use capitals to denote when being definite. So the difference between ‘Adam’ and ‘adam’ is that Adam refers to a specific man called Adam while the latter could refer to him as well as Eve and any other member of mankind. This is clearly stated in scripture in Genesis 1:27:

So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

The word for man is adam, so it says: God created ‘adam’ male and female. So saying that ‘Eve is adam’ is a true saying.

In English, If I said “John is the man”, then I am identifying John as  a definite and particular person of the human race. But if I omit the definite article and say “John is man,” then I do not identify him, I classify him. I say “John is human; he belongs to the sphere/nature of man.” Can you see the difference now?

To understand how the article can make a big difference to a piece of text, look at this example. Have a guess as to which one is correct.

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was THE man

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was man

The correct one is the second example because it is saying that the woman belongs to mankind or man. Look at the next example:

a) Tools were used by man.
b) Tools were used by the man.

See how the first example is talking about mankind whereas the second example is talking of a specific man.

In other words the word ‘man’ can be used as an attribute or to describe one’s nature. It is not always used to identify a particular person and it can even refer to more than one person.

Now let’s have a look at the above example, but using Adam and Eve instead. Notice in English that we do not have the definite article preceding Adam or Eve, because capitalising both Adam and Eve leads us to view these words in a definite sense, the same way that Greek requires the definite article. Essentially THE adam/man in Greek is the same as Adam in English.

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was Adam

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was adam

Notice that the second example is still the correct one.

To further understand the important difference between identity and nature, take a look at John 6:70. When speaking of his betrayer Judas Iscariot, Jesus said, “One of you is a devil.” Did Jesus mean that Judas is actually Satan the Devil? No! He merely meant to say that Judas is like (class) a devil, or that he had the qualities or nature of a/the devil. The word “devil” here has no article in the Greek as you have probably guessed, but most translators deem it necessary to add the indefinite article “a” to complete the thought in English even though it is not present in Greek or any Greek. Greek has no indefinite articles, (a,an).

So Judas wasn’t Satan himself, rather he was diabolical, like the Devil. He had the qualities of the Devil. But that doesn’t rule out the fact that Satan is the Devil because it is not actually saying that Judas was the Devil himself. Rather Judas thought as the Devil; and acted as the Devil. He was not the Devil (definite), (Satan is); he was not an actual devil or demon, he was a devil (qualitative). He was one who had the mental disposition, the nature, of the Devil, who is Satan. So it is with John 1:1c.

The Logos was God has no definite article. It is really saying, The Logos was god. This is why the New English Bible and the Revised English Bible translate John 1:1 as “what God was, the Word was.” The TEV (1976) translates it, “the Word was the same as God.” Goodspeed translates this, “the Word was divine.” And Moffatt translates this, “the logos was divine.”

So what kind of being is Jesus then if the Word was theos (without the definite article)? The answer according to John 1:1 is that he must be a divine being if Jesus is the Word of God that was with God. In other words he is a being with God’s nature. A son possessing the nature of his Father. Not just an image, but THE image of God. He is the prototype, the firstborn. He is the mystery that was hidden but has been revealed in our time. He is all these things, but he is not THE God that he is the son of. That God is exclusively the Father and there are many scriptures to prove that which we will look at later in this page.

Many think that the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ always refer to YHWH. They take instances of their choosing to try and prove that Christ is YHWH. In their ignorance they cannot see that there are indeed many god (theos) and many lords, but for true believers there is one God (theos) the Father.

In fact, the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ in scripture are used in reference to God (YHWH), Christ, Man, angels, Satan and idols. So when we see the word ‘theos’ or ‘elohim’, we should ask ourselves what kind of god is being referenced. The god of this age? The Most High God? The Almighty God? The mighty god? A false god? A human? An angel? We must also understand that the word ‘theos’ proceeded by the article (the) is talking of a noun and without the article, it can be an adjective or used to describe or qualify.

Let us now look at some quotes from scholars and writers that understand this. NOTE: this is not an endorsement with all that these authors have written, rather I am appealing to their view regarding John 1:1.

One prominent scholar called Origen is sometimes quoted by Trinitarians who appeal to his wisdom for other purposes. However, they avoid this particular quotation for obvious reasons. Origen wrote in the early 200’s A.D and was a noted expert in Koine Greek.

“We next notice John’s use of the article [“the”] in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Word, but to the name of theos he adds it sometimes only. He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. Does the same difference which we observe between theos with the article and theos without it prevail also between the Word with it and without it? We must enquire into this. As the theos who is over all is theos with the article not without it, so the Word is the source of that reason (Logos) which dwells in every reasonable creature; the reason which is in each creature is not, like the former called par excellence the Word. Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two theos [gods] and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked. Either they deny that the Son has a distinct nature of His own besides that of the Father, and make Him whom they call the Son to be theos all but the name, or they deny divinity of the Son, giving Him a separate existence of His own, and making His sphere of essence fall outside that of the Father, so that they are separable from each other. To such persons we have to say that “the theos” on the one hand is Autotheos [God of himself] and so the Saviour says in His prayer to the Father, “That they may know Thee the only true theos [God]; “but that all beyond the theos [God] is made theos by participation in His deity, and is not to be called simply “theos” but rather “the theos “. And thus the first-born of all creation, who is the first to be with the theos , and to attract to Himself deity, is a being of more exalted rank than the other theos [gods] beside Him, of which theos is the theos [God], as it is written, “The theos [God] of theos [gods], the Lord, hath spoken and called the earth.” It was by the offices of the first-born that they became theos [gods], for He drew from the theos [God] in generous measure that they should be made theos [gods], and He communicated it to them according to His own bounty. The true theos [God], then, is “the theos ,” [“the God” as opposed to “god”] and those who are formed after Him are theos [such as the Son of God], images, as it were, of Him the prototype. But the archetypal image, again, of all these images is the word of the theos [God], who was in the beginning, and who by being with the theos [God] is at all times deity, not possessing that of Himself, but by His being with the Father, and not continuing to be theos , if we should think of this, except by remaining always in uninterrupted contemplation of the depths of the Father.”
(Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book II, 2)

“Irenaeus [in the second century] could still interpret MK. Xiii, 32 in the following manner: the Son confessed not to know that which only the Father knew; hence ‘ we learn from himself that the Father is over all’, as he who is greater also than the Son. But the Nicene theologians had now suddenly to deny that Jesus could have said such a thing about the Son. In the long-recognized scriptural testimony for the Logos-doctrine provided by Prov. Viii, 22 ff. The exegetes of the second and third centuries had found the creation of the preexistent Logos-Christ set forth without dispute and equivocation. But now, when the Arians also interpreted the passage in this way, the interpretation was suddenly reckoned as false…. A theologian such as Tertullian by virtue of his Subordinationist manner of thinking, could confidently on occasion maintain that, before all creation, God the Father had been originally ‘alone’, and thus there was a time when ‘the Son was not’. When he did so, within the Church of his day such a statement did not inevitably provoke a controversy, and indeed there was none about it. But now, when Arius said the same thing in almost the same words, he raised thereby in the Church a mighty uproar, and such a view was condemned as heresy in the anathemas of Nicaea.” e.a.]
-pp. 155-8. The Formation of Christian Dogma, by Martin Werner, D.D.

When the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor think of him as God. He is God’s Christ, God’s Son, God’s Wisdom, God’s Word. Even the prologue to St. John {John 1:1-18} which comes nearest to the Nicene Doctrine, must be read in the light of the pronounced subordinationism of the Gospel as a whole; and the Prologue is less explicit in Greek with the anarthrous theos [the word “god” at John 1:1c without the article] than it appears in English… The adoring exclamation of St. Thomas “my Lord and my god” (Joh. xx. 28) is still not quite the same as an address to Christ as being without qualification [limitation] God, and it must be balanced by the words of the risen Christ himself to Mary Magdalene (verse. 17) “Go unto my brethren and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” Jesus Christ is frequently spoken of in the Ignation Epistles as “our God”, “my God”, but probably never as “God” without qualification.
– John Martin Creed in The Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The word for “god” in Greek is QEOS. In John 1:1 the last occurrence of QEOS is called “a predicate noun” or, “a predicate nominative”. Such a noun tells us something about the subject, instead of telling what the subject is doing. This use of QEOS has reference to the subject, the Word, and does not have the article preceding it; it is anarthrous. This indicates that it is not definite. That is to say, it does not tell what position or office or rank the subject (the Word) occupies. The verb HN “was” follows the predicate noun QEOS; this is another factor in identifying QEOS here as qualitative. This discloses the quality or character of the Word. Of course, the gentleman up above disagrees with me, and he has used Moulton and Colwell to buttress his argument. But what have other Grammarians said about this same type of construction? There is no basis for regarding the predicate theos as definite. In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate [noun] is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite.
-Philip Harner, Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 92:1, 1973, pp. 85, 7.

We must, then take Theos, without the article, in the indefinite [“qualitative” would have been a better word choice] sense of a divine nature or a divine being, as distinguished from the definite absolute God [the Father], ho Theos, the authotheos [selfgod] of Origen. Thus the Theos of John [1:1c] answers to “the image of God” of Paul, Col. 1:15.
-G. Lucke, “Dissertation on the Logos”, quoted by John Wilson in, Unitarian Principles Confirmed by Trinitarian Testimonies, p. 428.

As mentioned in the Note on 1c, the Prologue’s “The Word was God” offers a difficulty because there is no article before theos. Does this imply that “god” means less when predicated of the Word than it does when used as a name for the Father? Once again the reader must divest himself of a post-Nicene understanding of the vocabulary involved.
-Raymond E. Brown, The Anchor Bible, p. 25.

The most natural reading of John 1:1 shows that there are two being mentioned (not three): God and a second who was ‘theos’. They are not presented as two coequal persons in a Binity or Trinity. What we really have is one with the character of THEOS who is with TON THEOS (the God), thus he cannot be the God he is with! The LOGOS is unique however. He/it is identified further in the gospel as “a son from a father, begotten, as a visible being verses the unseen God, Now, without redefining the word THEOS we need to explain how we can have two who are both referred to as “theos.” Either there were two equal Gods or persons called God, or it is talking about a godlike one that is with the Almighty God. When we read all the scriptures we see that the scriptures including the Book of John backs up the last view, that the Father is greater than the Son; that the Father is the only God and the Son is the image of The God.

So what conclusion are we to draw from John 1:1 and the Book of John? In John’s own words he explains the conclusion for his Book. This conclusion is not the Trinity Doctrine. Read the verse below to see what the conclusion is.

John 20:30-31.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. “

So John wrote this gospel so that we may come to the conclusion that Jesus is truly the Christ and the Son of God. In addition to this important truth we are also told that we may receive life through his name. The Trinity Doctrine is not the conclusion that one should draw from this writing. Belief that Jesus is the Christ and the Son is the foundation of true faith and Jesus built his Church on this truth. The Trinity Doctrine is not that foundation, rather it is another foundation.

So why don’t translations of the bible translate John 1:1 as the Word was divine. Well first of all it is not incorrect to say that the Word was god, but Trinitarians translators say the Word was God which makes readers think that Jesus is the God (the person). However, in order to bring out the true meaning, some translations actually use the word ‘divine’. See below:

“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”
An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith, The University of Chicago Press, p. 173

“The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine”
by Dr. James Moffatt

So the idea that Jesus Christ is God is often and supposedly supported by John 1:1. However the rest of John’s Gospel makes careful distinctions between Jesus and his Father as well as Jesus and God. This same distinction and separation is found throughout the rest of the New Testament too. The New Testament actually goes much further than merely distinguishing and separating the two. In John 17:3 Jesus, in prayer to his Father, refers to him as “the only true God”. In John 20:17 the resurrected Jesus refers to his Father as “my Father, and your Father; and… my God, and your God.” In I Corinthians 8:6 the Apostle Paul says of Christians, “to us there is but one God, the Father.” In I Timothy 2:5 Paul states, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” In Ephesians 1:17 Paul refers to the Father as “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory.” And in Revelation 3:12 the resurrected and glorified Jesus says, “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

We must also remember that the judges of Israel were called gods/theos. This doesn’t mean that they were part of God or part of the Trinity, it just means that they had authority given to them by God. It is also written that we can partake of divine nature, so that could also make us divine just as partaking in flesh makes us man. It must be noted though, that being divine or partaking in divine nature is different to actually being the Divine himself.

Also see John 10:34-35:
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods” (theos).
35 If he called them gods (theos), to whom the word of God (ho theos) came, and the Scripture cannot be broken,

2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Also Jesus said that he was one with his Father and he also prayed that we would be one with them. See John 17:21
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

We humans were intended to share in the divine nature too, yet we are not the God. John 1:1 shows us that the Word was god (divine), not (the Word was/is the God, Yahweh) which many seem to think it says. The Word came from God, is of God, is like God, and this is consistent with the scriptures we have looked at thus far. 1 Corinthians 11:3 reinforces this statement because the word “head” in the Greek is translated “from”, source or authority. Remember that the woman came from Man and Man came from Christ and Christ came from God. This is the divine order.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God, Jesus wasn’t created, rather the Word was born from God in eternity and that is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten of the Father. (John 1:14) (John 1:18) (John 3:16 ) (John 3:18 ) (1 John 4:9 ). The word begotten means (only child, single of its kind). Notice that our spirits are born from God, but through his Word, and our spirits will go back to God who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7) . But Jesus was not begotten through the Word because he is the Word, this is why Jesus is unique because he is the only one begotten of the Father and therefore he is the image of his Father. That is why he is called the Image of God and the Firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15) and it is also why the Bible says in (Hebrews 1:5) For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father” Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”

Unlike his Father who is the invisible Spirit, Jesus does have a body and is visible. Jesus was born from God. We must remember that although his Father is greater than himself, he is also not just a man like us. Yes he partook of flesh and came as a man like us, but he also existed in the form of God as the Word or Logos. We are told that he resides between God and Man and as a man he is our mediator to God. It was indeed the Word that became flesh. God did not  become flesh, instead God resided in Christ who came in the flesh. So just like us, God can be in us who are made of flesh, but God himself did not become flesh. God is not a man and never will be a man. It was the Word who came to us as a man and it was the Word that all things  were created though. See John 1:3.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

And to compliment the fact that God made all things through his Word, and that Jesus is the Word of God, even ignoring the fact that Jesus wears a title, “The Word of God” as recorded in the Book of Revelation, we are specifically told, that God created everything through Jesus Christ. See :Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 

So Jesus was begotten not created and again, this is why he is called God’s only begotten Son and this is why he is unique. He is seated at the right hand of God and situated between God & Man. This is also why he is the only mediator between God & Man and the only name under heaven whereby Man can be saved. God made creation through him and for him and God redeemed creation through him too. God cannot fellowship with sin that is why he sent his Son into the world, so he could bring us back to himself through his mediator. Jesus came from God and he was in the beginning with God. So what does it mean when it says ‘beginning’? The Greek word for beginning, in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word” is ‘arche’ and this word means the following:

1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4) the extremity of a thing
4a) of the corners of a sail
5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
5a) of angels and demons

Below I will show you a verse where the word “beginning” or ‘arche’ is also mentioned and I think you will agree that it is rather obvious from this verse that it does not mean eternity or eternal. The verse is John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.

Just for good measure, I will also throw in the first verse in the bible, which also uses the word beginning (note that this a Hebrew word). I am sure we can all agree that the earth has not been in existence for all of eternity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Certainly if we read John 1:1 correctly and in context with all scripture, we see that it is not teaching that God is a Trinity.

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  • #335968
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 15 2013,07:49)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,10:18)

    Your sister Kathi says the “god” mentioned in 2 Cor 4:4 is Jehovah, not Satan.


    you should talk to sis kathi about that. do not say that to me.


    Why would she listen to me about it? She doesn't listen to me about anything else.

    On the other hand, you and her seem to agree on many things. Maybe you'd have better luck trying to convince her.

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    carmel
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    [quote=terraricca,Feb. 16 2013,08:45][/quote]

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    he belong to his own generation just as we all do ,

    Terraricca,

    THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENERATIONS:

    THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN, AND THE GENERATION OF EARTH! OK?

    SO,FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS,NAME IT NOW, BE SPECIFIC!

    THEREFORE:

    Which GENERATION John the baptist belong to ?

    AGAIN!

    SINCE YOU IGNORED MY QUESTION, I AM GOING TO KEEP POSTING THIS TILL YOU HAVE THE DECENCY TO ANSWER IN THE TRUTH,AND THEN WE GO FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!

    Considering the fact that apart he was sent by God,there was no better man then him, that was born of a woman!

    OLD AND BARREN!

    John 1:33I knew him not;

    but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me:

    He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles  

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    terraricca
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    Quote (carmel @ Feb. 16 2013,12:08)
    [quote=terraricca,Feb. 16 2013,08:45][/quote]

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    he belong to his own generation just as we all do ,

    Terraricca,

    THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENERATIONS:

    THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN, AND THE GENERATION OF EARTH! OK?

    SO,FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS,NAME IT NOW, BE SPECIFIC!

    THEREFORE:

    Which GENERATION John the baptist belong to ?

    AGAIN!

    SINCE YOU IGNORED MY QUESTION, I AM GOING TO KEEP POSTING THIS TILL YOU HAVE THE DECENCY TO ANSWER IN THE TRUTH,AND THEN WE GO FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!

    Considering the fact that apart he was sent by God,there was no better man then him, that was born of a woman!

    OLD AND BARREN!

    John 1:33I knew him not;

    but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me:

    He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles  


    carmel

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    THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN, AND THE GENERATION OF EARTH! OK?

    NO IT IS NOT O.K.;COULD NOT FIND A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THIS ;COULD YOU SHOW IT TO ME ???

    #335973
    terraricca
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    CARMEL

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    SINCE YOU IGNORED MY QUESTION, I AM GOING TO KEEP POSTING THIS TILL YOU HAVE THE DECENCY TO ANSWER IN THE TRUTH,AND THEN WE GO FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!

    Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

    BUT I KNOW THE TRUTH “CHARLES ” IT IS THE SCRIPTURES THAT GOD AS GIVEN US THROUGH HIS PROPHETS AND HIS SON DISCIPLES ,

    SO IF YOU CANNOT SHOW ME WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IN SCRIPTURES THEN YOU HAVE IT WRONG AND IT IS MORE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION,

    #336037
    carmel
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    COULD YOU SHOW IT TO ME ???    

    Terraricca,

    READ:

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

    Genesis 2:1 So the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the furniture of them

    2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

    Notice, the above 2:4  it says clear that from then onwards IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!

    SO THERE ARE TWO GENERATIONS INTERTWINED INTO EACH OTHER, WITHIN HUMANS! AND GOD CALLED THEM ADAM,  MALE AND FEMALE , SOUL AND FLESH

    TO BE CLEAR, WITHIN US WE HAVE  A CREATURE WHICH CAME FROM HEAVEN, GOD, WHICH IS THE SOUL, THE MEDIATOR, THE WORD,A SPECK OF THE SON'S SPIRIT, SYMBOLIZED IN MAN, ADAM ,THE FIRST LIVING SOUL!

    AND A CREATURE OF EARTH, THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, THE DUST, THE FILTHY SATAN'S ELEMENT, OBVIOUS AFTER ADAM SINNED! SYMBOLIZED IN EVE THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, SINFULL MOTHER EARTH, OBVIOUS IN THE FLESH ONLY,SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD EVEN UP TO NOW,UNLESS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE REDEEMER!

    SO THROUGH THIS SYSTEM GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,SENT HIS HOLY PEOPLE FROM HEAVEN COMMENCED IN ABEL, THEN FOLLOWED BY SETH, IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE LINEAGE OF MARY,AND SATAN SENT HIS  EVIL PEOPLE COMMENCED IN CAIN TO ESTABLISH THE LINEAGE OF THE ANTICHRIST.

    THESE TWO LINEAGES, SPIRITS, THE SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN THE TRUTH,AND THE SPIRIT FROM HELL THE  FALSEHOOD ENDED IN THE WORD,JESUS CHRIST, OBVIOUS IN HIS SOUL.

    JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS ERADICATED THE SPIRIT OF FALSEHOOD ONCE AND FOR ALL AND THE TRUTH,THE GOOD OVERPOWERED THE EVIL!

    THROUGH JUSTICE, NOT THROUGH POWER!

    THROUGH JUSTICE IN LOVE FOR HIS ENEMY, THROUGH CHARITY,BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID!

    AND JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD, GODMAN, GOD IN FLESH, IS IN POSSESSION OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, AND SATAN IS STILL HOPING FOR HIS TURN TO BECOME godman of the world in the antichrist, but only to be eradicated this time,in

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    once and for ALL BY JESUS CHRIST IN

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #336053
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Feb. 12 2013,17:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,05:10)


    Quote
    Jesus lineage explained

    Edj,

    THAT'S MADNESS!

    JESUS NEVER HAD A LINEAGE!

    THAT'S MARY'S LINEAGE!

    A LINEAGE MUST HAVE BOTH FATHER AND MOTHER CARNAL TO BE CALLED BIOLOGICAL

    MARY IS A BIOLOGICAL MOTHER PURPOSELY FOR JESUS BUT ONLY SINCE SHE HAD A BIOLOGICAL FATHER AND MOTHER!

    MARY IS THE ONLY CREATURE BIOLOGICALLY BORN SINLESS,IN PURE FLESH SUBSTANCE!

    JESUS IS NOT A BIOLOGICAL SON TO MARY SINCE SHE NEVER HAD AN INTERCOURSE, THE ONLY PROCESS TO PRODUCE A BIOLOGICAL CREATURE.

    NOW:

    I meant JOB 28 5:7

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    Do you believe Mary was Jesus biological Mother?
    I can't remember if you answered this question or not.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #336057
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,15:53)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 15 2013,07:45)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,10:11)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 14 2013,03:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,11:21)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,18:24)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:14)
     Can you read me a scripture that says, “Satan is not the God of Abraham”?  


    satan is not GOD by nature. he is the enemy of God.
    satan is the god of this world and not God

    do you have common sense mike?


    Do not explain, boy.  Can you read the scripture or not?


    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    james 4.7
    Submit therefore to God and stand against Satan, and he will flee from you.


    So then, even though the words “Satan is not God” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not God from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN God, right?  (Please answer the question)


    satan is god boy.
    did you read my post?

    he is god but not God.


    Let me rephrase my last question.  

    So then, even though the words “Satan is not the God of Abraham” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not the God of Abraham from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?  (Please answer the question)


    do you understand this verse

    james 4.7
    Submit therefore to God and stand against Satan, and he will flee from you.

    do you have common sense? can you read a verse that says submit therefore to God and stand against Christ???

    the bible said stand against satan,. therefore he is our not our God.

    Christ is God and we can read that in john 20.28. john 1.1 phil 2.6

    he is our God. just like his father, he is God

    #336058
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,16:39)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:19)
    Mike,
    you said:

    Quote
    So then, even though the words “Satan is not God” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not God from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN God, right?

    Aren't you the one that wanted to convince me that satan was the god of Ekron?? Do you like playing two sides of the fence for some reason? Do you just like to argue?


    Satan WAS the god of Ekron, Kathi.  Jehovah Himself called him that.

    I think you are just confused as to why I'm asking jammin this line of questions.  Check back after a day or two, and if he stops playing games and just answers the question I asked him, you'll understand.


    im not playing games with you boy.
    in fact, you are the one who likes games.

    you have many opinions that cant be read in the bible. you like stories and imagination.
    one of your imaginations is the FORM OF HIS GOD in phil 2.6 AND UNTIL NOW YOU CANT GIVE ME ANY SINGLE VERSION THAT SAYS FORM OF HIS GOD IN PHIL 2.6

    LOL

    make your own bible boy

    #336086
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=Ed J,Feb. 17 2013,11:42][/quote]

    Quote
    Do you believe Mary was Jesus biological Mother?

    Edj,

    I DID, TWICE, ONE OF THEM IN MORE DETAILS!

    BUT FOR THE SAKE OF JESUS' LOVE!

    WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY THE WORD:

    BIOLOGICAL

    I HAVE AN IMPRESSION THAT YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF WITH THAT WORD!

    SO PLEASE DEFINE THE WORD BIOLOGICAL THE WAY YOU PERCEIVE IT

    AS  I SAID I GAVE DETAILS ALREADY, NOW IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED IF YOU WERE TO DO THE SAME THING YOURSELF!

    I CLEAR SOMETHING FOR YOU:

    MARY IS A BIOLOGICAL CREATURE FOR SURE!

    SO MARY IS A BIOLOGICAL MOTHER !

    BUT SHE NEVER BECAME BIOLOGICALLY PREGNANT,MOTHER! OK?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #336142
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Feb. 17 2013,03:44)

    Quote
    COULD YOU SHOW IT TO ME ???    

    Terraricca,

    READ:

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

    Genesis 2:1 So the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the furniture of them

    2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

    Notice, the above 2:4  it says clear that from then onwards IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!

    SO THERE ARE TWO GENERATIONS INTERTWINED INTO EACH OTHER, WITHIN HUMANS! AND GOD CALLED THEM ADAM,  MALE AND FEMALE , SOUL AND FLESH

    TO BE CLEAR, WITHIN US WE HAVE  A CREATURE WHICH CAME FROM HEAVEN, GOD, WHICH IS THE SOUL, THE MEDIATOR, THE WORD,A SPECK OF THE SON'S SPIRIT, SYMBOLIZED IN MAN, ADAM ,THE FIRST LIVING SOUL!

    AND A CREATURE OF EARTH, THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, THE DUST, THE FILTHY SATAN'S ELEMENT, OBVIOUS AFTER ADAM SINNED! SYMBOLIZED IN EVE THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, SINFULL MOTHER EARTH, OBVIOUS IN THE FLESH ONLY,SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD EVEN UP TO NOW,UNLESS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE REDEEMER!

    SO THROUGH THIS SYSTEM GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,SENT HIS HOLY PEOPLE FROM HEAVEN COMMENCED IN ABEL, THEN FOLLOWED BY SETH, IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE LINEAGE OF MARY,AND SATAN SENT HIS  EVIL PEOPLE COMMENCED IN CAIN TO ESTABLISH THE LINEAGE OF THE ANTICHRIST.

    THESE TWO LINEAGES, SPIRITS, THE SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN THE TRUTH,AND THE SPIRIT FROM HELL THE  FALSEHOOD ENDED IN THE WORD,JESUS CHRIST, OBVIOUS IN HIS SOUL.

    JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS ERADICATED THE SPIRIT OF FALSEHOOD ONCE AND FOR ALL AND THE TRUTH,THE GOOD OVERPOWERED THE EVIL!

    THROUGH JUSTICE, NOT THROUGH POWER!

    THROUGH JUSTICE IN LOVE FOR HIS ENEMY, THROUGH CHARITY,BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID!

    AND JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD, GODMAN, GOD IN FLESH, IS IN POSSESSION OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, AND SATAN IS STILL HOPING FOR HIS TURN TO BECOME godman of the world in the antichrist, but only to be eradicated this time,in

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    once and for ALL BY JESUS CHRIST IN

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    charles

    Quote
    2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

    Ge 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

    When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens—

    it seems you have a different bible what you use to misleading other on words

    Quote
    JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS ERADICATED THE SPIRIT OF FALSEHOOD ONCE AND FOR ALL AND THE TRUTH,THE GOOD OVERPOWERED THE EVIL!

    I did not see that it is eradicated now or fifty years ago so it is to come for certain,your presentation is wrong but it seems to appeal to your hears and mind and heart if you real love it to your soul embedded it is .

    Quote
    AND JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD, GODMAN, GOD IN FLESH, IS IN POSSESSION OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, AND SATAN IS STILL HOPING FOR HIS TURN TO BECOME godman of the world in the antichrist, but only to be eradicated this time,in

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    once and for ALL BY JESUS CHRIST IN

    BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT

    IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE IT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN IT ,BECAUSE THIS HIS CHINESE TO ME ,AND I DO NOT SPEAK OR READ CHINESE,

    #336187
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,15:53)

    So then, even though the words “Satan is not the God of Abraham” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not the God of Abraham from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?


    the bible said stand against satan,. therefore he is our not our God.


    WONDERFUL!  :D

    So then you ARE capable of understanding that the Bible can teach us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham, without SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITELY saying those exact words?  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham – just like you've pointed out in the quote box above, right?  FANTASTIC!  :)

    Remember that the next time you ask one of us to show you the exact words “Jesus is not God”, okay?  Because, just like in your example, the Bible doesn't have to say the specific words, “Jesus is not God” in order to teach us that he is not God.  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

    So, since Jesus is listed in the verse above as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, it should be crystal clear to us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham, right?

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)
    Christ is God and we can read that in john 20.28. john 1.1 phil 2.6


    Satan is also “God”.  And we can read about that in 2 Kings 1:6 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.

    #336188
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Are you all caught up now, Kathi? Do you realize what the exercise was all about now?

    #336194
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2013,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,15:53)

    So then, even though the words “Satan is not the God of Abraham” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not the God of Abraham from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?


    the bible said stand against satan,. therefore he is our not our God.


    WONDERFUL!  :D

    So then you ARE capable of understanding that the Bible can teach us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham, without SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITELY saying those exact words?  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham – just like you've pointed out in the quote box above, right?  FANTASTIC!  :)

    Remember that the next time you ask one of us to show you the exact words “Jesus is not God”, okay?  Because, just like in your example, the Bible doesn't have to say the specific words, “Jesus is not God” in order to teach us that he is not God.  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

    So, since Jesus is listed in the verse above as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, it should be crystal clear to us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham, right?

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)
    Christ is God and we can read that in john 20.28. john 1.1 phil 2.6


    Satan is also “God”.  And we can read about that in 2 Kings 1:6 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.


    satan is not God boy. make your own bible.
    you cant read any single verse that satan is God.

    what i can read in the bible is satan is god

    god is not God.

    Christ is God and not god.only your fake version of NWT says he is god. but all versions says christ is God.

    make your own bible boy LOL

    #336205
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    :D :laugh: :D

    So that's all it boils down to, jammin? REALLY?

    Mike, Satan is called god with a small g, and Jesus is called God with a big G…………. SO THERE!

    :D :laugh: :D

    How about you show me that small g and big G in a Greek ms, okay? :)

    #336206
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2013,10:38)
    The Bible is capable of teaching us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham – just like you've pointed out in the quote box above, right?

    Likewise, the Bible is capable of teaching us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

    So, since Jesus is listed in the verse above as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, it should be crystal clear to us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham, right?


    jammin,

    Please address my point.  (That means:  Answer all three questions in the quote box above.)

    #336207
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2013,18:45)
    Are you all caught up now, Kathi?  Do you realize what the exercise was all about now?


    Mike,
    If that was his only argument, then you might have a point. However, that is not even close to the whole argument that jammin has regarding the capital G for the God that Jesus is.

    From what I believe God has been opening my eyes to lately, you need to repent big time. It is too soon to share.

    #336317
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote
    IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE IT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN IT ,BECAUSE THIS HIS CHINESE TO ME ,AND I DO NOT SPEAK OR READ CHINESE,

    Terraricca,

    MORE CHINESE FOR YOU I'M AFRAID!!! SO YOU CAN LEARN!!!

    I RESPECT YOUR MENTALITY, AND INTELLIGENCE!

    BUT ALL YOU DID WAS EXPRESSING YOUR ATTITUDE ,YOUR MENTALITY, AND PLAYED WITH WORDS,YOU DIDN'T EVEN VERIFIED OTHER SCRIPTURES,AND  YOU DIDN'T PRODUCE A PIECE OF SCRIPTURE WHICH CONTRADICTED WHAT I STATED!

    THE BIBLE I USE IS THE OLDEST VERSIONS :  DRB. but the  KJV, AND MANY MORE STATES THE SAME :

    THE WORD GENERATIONS IS MORE APPROPRIATE, AND MORE SPECIFIC!

    NOW SINCE YOU ARE SATISIFIED WITH THE WORD ACCOUNT

    HEREUNDER IS THE DEFINITION OF ACCOUNT FROM MERRIAM WEBSTER.COM, UNDER NO.8 IT SAYS:

    : a description of facts,

    conditions, or events :  

    SO LET'S READ THE SENTENCE AGAIN:

    Ge 2:4 This is the account

    a description of facts, conditions, or events

    of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

    SO IT SEEMS TO ME YOU, I'M AFARAID, ARE NOT AWARE WHAT ACCOUNT MEANS! NO?

    THEREFORE IT SAYS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT FROM 2:4 ONWARDS DEFINITELY WITHIN THE WORLD SINCE THE CONTEXT IS REGARDING OUR CREATION,

    IT IS A DESCRIPTION OF FACTS, CONDITIONS,OR EVENTS ,of heavens and earth.

    so these description of facts, conditions, or events, are definitely regarding the GENERAL ORIGIN, GENERATIONS OF HEAVENS AND EARTH. HOW,AND WHEN THEY WERE CREATED!

    INTERTWINED , WHICH MEANS THAT ALTHOUGH THEY ARE TWO ELEMETS,THEY  FUNCTION AS ONE, IN HUMANS, IN ORDER TO BECOME ONE FOR ETERNITY ON THE LAST DAY.

    AND TILL THEN THEY DEPEND ON EACH OTHER, WHATEVER THE FLESH DO, THE SOUL ALSO WOULD BE AFFECTED, AND VICE VERSA. ONLY DEATH WOULD SEPERATE THEM, AND THE SOUL WOULD REFLECT WHAT IT DID WITH THE FLESH WHILE ON EARTH ACCORDINGLY!

    NOW WHEN YOU KEEP ON READING YOU DISCOVER THIS IN VERSE 7:

    the Lord God formed the man from the DUST OF THE GROUND DEFINITELY FROM EARTH

    and breathed into his nostrils THE BREATH OF LIFE, DEFINTELY FROM HEAVEN and the man became a living SOUL.

    NOW THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN:

    SO THERE ARE TWO GENERATIONS INTERTWINED INTO EACH OTHER,

    so I was right  the element of earth and the element of heaven are INTERTWINED in ADAM, THEREFORE ,IN ALL HUMANS.

    AND GOD CALLED THEM ADAM,  MALE AND FEMALE , SOUL AND FLESH

    so the element of earth is the flesh and the element of heaven is the soul I also said:

    TO BE CLEAR, WITHIN US WE HAVE  A CREATURE WHICH CAME FROM HEAVEN, GOD’ S SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE SOUL,

    definitely right

    THE MEDIATOR, THE WORD,A SPECK OF THE SON'S SPIRIT, SYMBOLIZED IN MAN, ADAM ,THE FIRST LIVING SOUL!

    perfectly right

    AND A CREATURE OF EARTH, THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, THE DUST, THE FILTHY SATAN'S ELEMENT, OBVIOUS AFTER ADAM SINNED!

    definitely right

    SYMBOLIZED IN EVE THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, SINFULL MOTHER EARTH, OBVIOUS IN THE FLESH ONLY,SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD EVEN UP TO NOW,UNLESS ONE BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST THE REDEEMER!

    definitely right

    Quote
    I did not see that it is eradicated now or fifty years ago  so it is to come for certain,

    ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT JESUS DIED FOR NOTHING?

    IT IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE I'M AFRAID,SINCE YOU ARE BLIND, BUT WHAT ACTALLY HAPPENED!

    JESUS ERADICATED SATAN'S SPIRIT  ENTIRELY FROM OUR CREATION.

    SATAN'S SPIRIT WAS THE SPIRIT WHO OWNED ENTIRELY OUR WORLD . IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD,HE CONFIRMED THIS TO JESUS IN THE DESERT!

    NO SOULS COULD ENTER HEAVEN, THEY WERE DESTINED TO HELL FROM BIRTH,EVEN TODAY UNLESS THEY ARE BAPTIED IN THE NAME OF:

    THE FATHER

    THE SON

    AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

    Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned

    BUT GOD THROUGH  SETH  SENT HIS HOLY PEOPLE ,THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN TO GIVE BIRTH TO  MARY THROUGH THE WORD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT !

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #336341
    terraricca
    Participant

    Carmel

    Quote
    and breathed into his nostrils THE BREATH OF LIFE, DEFINTELY FROM HEAVEN and the man became a living SOUL.

    you say that this is from heaven (breathed into his nostrils) yes the action of making Adam start breathing and this is also done to new born today ,if they do not start to cry out their lungs ,SO THE POWER OF THE MOTION MAY BE COMING FROM HEAVEN BUT THE BREATH HIS FROM THE EARTH ,AT THE LEAST THAT IS WHAT GOES THROUGH THE NOSTRILS

    #336355
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=terraricca,Feb. 20 2013,12:46][/quote]

    Quote
    SO THE POWER OF THE MOTION MAY BE COMING FROM HEAVEN BUT THE BREATH HIS FROM THE EARTH ,AT THE LEAST THAT IS WHAT GOES THROUGH THE NOSTRILS

    Terraricca,

    FINE, SO YOU FROM NOW ON ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IN THIS WORLD FROM ADAM ONWARDS,THERE IS :

    A GENERATION FROM HEAVEN GOD'S

    AND

    A GENERATION FROM HELL  SATAN'S

    NOW YOU KNOW WHY MARY IS SINLESS BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY CREATURE THAT ORIGINATED THROUGH THE GENERATION FROM HEAVEN, GOD'S.

    Matthew 13:45 Who when he had found one pearl of great price, (MARY)went his way, and sold all that he had,(HIS  SON'S SPIRIT IN CREATION) and bought it.

    Jeremiah:31:22How long wilt thou be dissolute in deliciousness, O wandering daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing upon the earth:(MARY) A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN.

    John 6:27Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed( IN NATURE, ALL BY HIM,AND ALL IN HIM)

    ALL OTHER CREATURES ARE THE ORIGIN FROM HELL, SATAN'S AND THEY ARE RELEASED FROM HELL IN ORDER TO RETURN TO GOD, IF THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND HIS TEACHINGS!

    You said:

    SO THE POWER OF THE MOTION MAY BE COMING FROM HEAVEN

    That knid of MENTALITY belong to Satan, since you are not sure where the power of motion is coming from

    Then you made it even worst and said:

    THE BREATH HIS FROM THE EARTH ,AT THE LEAST THAT IS WHAT GOES THROUGH THE NOSTRILS

    God didn't give Adam the breath but the breath of life which is the spirit, HIS SOUL

    LIFE BELONG TO GOD, NOT TO EARTH, EARTH IS STILL DEAD, FUNCTION WISE, SINCE SATAN IS REIGNING,

    OBVIOUS AS A SERVANT OF JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE AND MOST POWERFUL GOD IN  SPIRIT AND FLESH!

    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:

    [b]All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

    John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,

    will draw all things to myself.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #336369
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2013,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,15:53)

    So then, even though the words “Satan is not the God of Abraham” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not the God of Abraham from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?


    the bible said stand against satan,. therefore he is our not our God.


    WONDERFUL!  :D

    So then you ARE capable of understanding that the Bible can teach us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham, without SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITELY saying those exact words?  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Satan is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Satan as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham – just like you've pointed out in the quote box above, right?  FANTASTIC!  :)

    Remember that the next time you ask one of us to show you the exact words “Jesus is not God”, okay?  Because, just like in your example, the Bible doesn't have to say the specific words, “Jesus is not God” in order to teach us that he is not God.  The Bible is capable of teaching us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham simply by listing Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, right?

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

    So, since Jesus is listed in the verse above as someone OTHER THAN the God of Abraham, it should be crystal clear to us that Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham, right?

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:04)
    Christ is God and we can read that in john 20.28. john 1.1 phil 2.6


    Satan is also “God”.  And we can read about that in 2 Kings 1:6 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.


    i cant read that satan is God.

    what i can read is that satan is god.

    god is not God.

    study hard boy LOL

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