@Proclaimer,

Of course Hebrew names have a meaning behind them, but what does that have to do with the fact the Jesus was NOT named Immanuel as was supposedly prophesied about him in Isa 7:14? The passage chrisianity clings to every christmas claiming his mother was impregnated by G-d and she was a “virgin”, making the Jesus a demigod…so Gre…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Is this another drive by commentary or will you engage in a conversation?

Your response comes from my comment to Lightenup where he says the Tanakh DOESN’T say The Messiah is to come twice and your response is “logic”?!??! Please enlighten me! The only “logic” needed is what the Tanakh says.

The Tanakh says The Messiah is to be a d…[Read more]

@proclaimer

What do you think about these things from Origen:

More from Origen:

1. Psalm 102 → Hebrews 1:10–12 applied to the Son
Source: Contra Celsum 1.67
“In speaking of the Son he says: ‘Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth…’”

2. Psalm 102 → The Son as Creator
Source: De Principiis 1.2.2
“The Son… is said in t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

More from Origen:

1. Psalm 102 → Hebrews 1:10–12 applied to the Son
Source: Contra Celsum 1.67
“In speaking of the Son he says: ‘Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth…’”

2. Psalm 102 → The Son as Creator
Source: De Principiis 1.2.2
“The Son… is said in the Epistle to the Hebrews to have laid the found…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

The theos of John 1:1b identifies the theos of John 1:1c as the YHWH who laid the foundation of the world and the heavens were the work of His hands and not only that but that as YHWH, this theos who is the Son, will at a future time, fold them up like a garment and they will be changed in Hebrews 1:10-12.

Amazing!

@Proclaimer

The theos of John 1:1b identifies the theos of John 1:1c as the YHWH who laid the foundation of the world and the heavens were the work of His hands and not only that but that as YHWH, this theos who is the Son, will at a future time, fold them up like a garment and they will be changed in Hebrews 1:10-12.

Amazing!

@Proclaimer,

The Old Testament does not explicitly say the Messiah comes twice.

Absolutely, so why do you believe the Jesus will come twice?

But there appears to be two phases in the prophecies. A suffering and rejection, then later glory and kingship.

“Suffering and rejection” of whom; to be later awarded “glory and kingship”? The sufferi…[Read more]

11] And I beheld 👉another beast coming up out of the earth👈; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake like a dragon.
And👉 he exerciseth all the power of the first beast👈 before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

@Proclaimer

Tell me, what is this beast THAT…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Apparently I’m missing something when I read the words the Jesus said, because the works being spoken of are the miracles he was performing. The text literally says it; however, it has been twisted to say what it doesn’t BECAUSE none are doing the miraculous signs and wonders the Jesus promised they would.

Where do you get that the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Concerning your other post about adoption; the adoption narrative is moot and really a waste of time to debate UNLESS you can back up what you are saying with proof, because what you’re presenting is “hear say” and you’re really applying today’s standards of an “adoption” to an event 2000 years ago; did you read the link I gave you,…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I am amazed at how much people read between the lines when discussing the bible; either words have meaning and they mean what they say or they’re simply a literary device that can be interpreted anyway one decides and is how we end up with multiple meanings…is it any wonder why there are so many “christian” faiths today, with e…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Although Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus, he was Jesus’ legal father. In Jewish culture, legal paternity established family lineage and inheritance rights. He also had a biological descent through Mary, who may also have been a descendant of David. So that is a legal and a possible biological descent.

You may to check a…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

People have claimed to raise the dead. I saw a demon with my own eyes one time and was able to deliver my brother. The only reason greater works are even possible is because we stand on the shoulders of giants.
Also, much of what future generations have achieved is possible because Jesus is with the Father and he intercedes for us. We…

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@Proclaimer,

If you love God and your fellow man, then you will do the will of God because you love and that means God and all that he has made.

If “love” is all I need to do the “will of G-d” then why do I need the Jesus. Why would I need to listen to a word the Jesus spoke? Are the 613 commands given by G-d insufficient? What did the Jesus s…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Isa 7:14 “For this reason the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel.”

Please read the entire chapter of Isaiah 7 and tell me it’s about a coming “messiah.” If by one singular verse you can make the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Gen 1:14And God says, “Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens,

It says it right there. The expanse has waters above it and below it.

Regarding your “lol”, your “How about really thinking about the following logic”…

I think this addresses the value of your “logic”:

Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Fat…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Continuing on:

using the Tanak alone, this is how some will treat the messiah which perhaps you yourself may be included:
no beauty that we should desire him
despised and rejected
not esteemed
The stone the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.
They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him.

The first…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Continuing on:

Once as the lamb of God who was sacrificed for mankind’s sins. And returns as a reigning king to setup the Kingdom of God on earth.

What verse states the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind from the Tanakh? I believe I asked you this question once before and never received a response.

Read Exodus 32:30-35,…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Unfortunately the Jesus fails on being a member of the tribe of Judah; biologically he isn’t connected to the line of David because the spirit is the one who fathered him (Luke 1:26-35, Matt 1:18). It is of the seed of David the Messiah is to be born of (2 Sam 7:12-17, I Chron 11-14). Lineage is associated with the father and not t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

The Hebrew word for “sky” in day two is the same Hebrew word for “heavens” in verse one. The form is a dual/plural usually written a collective singular but sometimes is shown plural depending on the verb that is used with it when the word is a subject of a sentence.  You can see that the stars were placed in the expanse that is in…[Read more]