Read the truth and weep.

And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

And he came by the Spirit int…[Read more]

While it is clear that Jesus was born the messiah by confession of an angel of God, that is not the only testimony that contradicts Nick and Gene’s views on Jesus not being born the messiah and not being the messiah for most of his life. And we constantly hear from Nick that the Spirit leads us to all truth, thus he questions us about this because…[Read more]

Then, I definitely want to discuss the moon eclipsing from the top down next.

This seems a sticking point for you. My quick answer is I don’t know, but I imagine the video is either fake or edited. If not, then there is a perfect explanation that could be demonstrated using a 3D model or simulation. The problem is no one seems to have done this…[Read more]

This thread didn’t turn out the way I wanted it to.  I thought I’d go through some evidence – one point at a time – and we’d actually discuss that evidence before moving on to more of mine, or some of yours.

Yes I see your point. The thing is you cannot force structure in a topic, especially if it has lots of posts. What I tend to do with the t…[Read more]

MIKE said: But what are you basing that “no” on?  Because it was God who told Moses the design of the world…

Simply put, the sun doesn’t go around God. He is talking about it from our perspective. God is not only eternal, but is not a man living in the Earth. He is not subject to his own creation. He is not even a servant of time. The truth is w…[Read more]

Translation:  No Mike, I guess it couldn’t have been the Father speaking those words through Jesus after all.  I was mistaken.  And now that you mention it, it couldn’t have been the Spirit of the Son/anointing/Word either, since none of the crowd to whom Jesus was speaking had seen this Spirit.  I guess it must have been Jesus speaking…

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D4T:  Lightenup, I have to wonder once again when some are upholding Scripture that the sun has a circuit and that at one time the sun stood still which goes against what is commonly being taught now,

Mike, there are probably a number of explanations that could describe this. Pole Shift perhaps being one of them. Although I cannot be bothered vi…[Read more]

Nick, to have the right spirit we must believe that Jesus is the Christ. It was declared by an angel that the messiah was born in Bethlehem. But you say he was not the messiah disagreeing with the angel. The Spirit that gives us new birth does not speak with forked tongue.

Perspective perspective perspective

D4T: Lightenup, I have to wonder once again when some are upholding Scripture that the sun has a circuit and that at one time the sun stood still which goes against what is commonly being taught now, how then is it “Christians falling for error”?

From our perspective Mike, the sun has a circuit and that is the…[Read more]

Okay, Mike acknowledged a mistake. Who else is worthy enough to admit their own imperfection? Nick, Gene? When I am proven wrong I am happy to admit it because I have been given a chance to learn and be better.

Hey Gene, I agree that the Father was in Jesus doing the works. I agree that Jesus was a spokesman for God, sent to speak the messages God wanted him to speak to us. I just don’t agree that the Father’s own voice came out through Jesus’ mouth. Jesus spoke the words God told him to, but it was Jesus speaking those words. So when the scrip…

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Hey Mike.

I have read a number of times where you say we haven’t debunked some of your points.

Correct. We haven’t. That doesn’t mean you are correct of course, but that I do not have an answer or haven’t the time to research those points. But will get there eventually I imagine. Further, you say I bring up new points not raised by posting…[Read more]

So then not the Father speaking through Jesus? Okay, how is it that the Spirit of the Son/anointing/Word was able to be seen by all those to whom he said those words in verse 36?

Good. He needs to be challenged in this area.

You don’t believe that the Spirit of God was leading Jesus before the Jordan? Then what spirit was leading Jesus before the Jordan?

Correct. Nick believes and teaches that Jesus was not the Christ for most of his life despite scripture declaring that he was born the messiah.

The Flat Firmament Theory
Mike, we have been getting some very clear skies here in the antipodes as the air is especially crisp this time of the year. Tonight I had a look up at the firmament and noticed something. I observed that the stars in the firmament appeared to not be in a dome but was flat across the sky. Now I could understand the…[Read more]

Seeing the sun and moon at the same time

Mike, you can be assured that there is a logical explanation.

The shadow of the moon
Argument made by Flat Earthers

The shadow the moon casts on the Earth has to be bigger than the moon itself. A few flat Earthers tested their hypothesis by turning on a flash light and shining it at a quarter against the wall. They found that if they moved the quarter closer or farther from the wall the shadow was always…[Read more]

The Solar Eclipse does not prove a Flat Earth
Argument made by Flat Earthers

The first argument is if the Earth is rotating from west to east, the shadow should pass across Earth’s surface from East to West, just as the sun moves across the sky. At face value, this would seem odd to many people. Here’s a video of a flat Earther explaining why h…[Read more]

List of Antarctic expeditions
Ignoring regular flights and satellite photos of the continent, there are real people who have explored the frozen continent. Below is a chronological list of expeditions involving Antarctica taken from Wikipedia 
Pre-exploration theories

• 600 BC – 300 BC — Greek Philosophers theorize Spherical Earth

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