Flat Earth?

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     mikeboll64 
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    Kathi, I forgot to make a point of this comment in the Easton dictionary…

    The language of Scripture is not scientific but popular…

    Do you see what’s happened here?  The scriptures clearly describe one thing, but what they describe is “not scientific”, and so the description has to be changed so it fits in with the “science so-called” of “men who are wise in their own eyes”.  Let this quote sink in…

    “People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations.  For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.

    • George Ellis, Scientific American, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”, October 1995

    That was said in 1995… 25 years after we supposedly landed men on the moon.  This is a guy who co-wrote a book with Stephen Hawking.  He is a superstar of cosmology.  Yet even today, he can make a model other than the heliocentric one, and it could not be disproved by observation.  What does that tell you?  We’ve supposedly been sending things and people into space for 60 years – all the way to Pluto and beyond – yet we still can’t prove the heliocentric model by scientific observation?  I hope you think long and hard on that as you’re coming to the realization that the only reason you believe what you believe about our world comes from the testimony of astronauts who contradict each other when it comes to whether or not we can  even see stars from space.

     

    I promise you there isn’t one piece of observational data to support the nonsensical spinning ball flying through space model.  On the other hand, there are so many things we can observe for ourselves that completely refute it.

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     mikeboll64 
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    Anthony:  Mike did you try to read the message that I sent

    I got a message the other day, but it wouldn’t open, and didn’t say who it was from.

    #829396
     mikeboll64 
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    Anthony:  Galileo was a scientist who believed in the trustworthiness of the Bible…

    If that was true, he would have been telling people what D4T and I are telling you guys on this thread.

    #829397
     mikeboll64 
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    Kathi: Mike,

    Regarding your wet flag theory, the flag does not have a normal drying pattern if it were wet. The seams would be darker because they would be thicker and stay wetter than the thin area between the seams but that is not what the picture is showing. I suspect that the photo shopping done on pictures are likely done by flat earthers including the so called wet flag.

    You can find the original on NASA’s website right now.  Or many other places.  Here it is on WikiCommons…

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Astronaut_Harrison_%27Jack%27_Schmitt,_American_Flag,_and_Earth_(Apollo_17_EVA-1).jpg

    Right below the image, click on “Original File”, and it will open a 4 MB image that you can zoom in on and see the wet flag.  Also take a look at that earth when you’re zoomed in, and let me know if it looks like a real image of the place we live.  There is only fake looking clouds and water… no land.

    If you want to believe the image is doctored (straight from NASA’s own website), or that the drying pattern isn’t quite to your liking, then there’s nothing I can do to change your mind.  But if you take the blinders off and look at it with an open mind, you’ll agree that the flag is partially wet, and partially dry.  And that simply can’t be on the moon.

     

    Kathi:  I believe that the moon and the sun can be both seen at times during the day because of the angle of the orbit of the moon, I have no problem with that.

    But I wasn’t talking about the sun and the moon simply being up during the day.  I was talking about these three things…

    1.  You could not possibly see the earth from the moon unless you were looking directly up… unlike that wet flag photo.
    2.   You cannot have a lunar eclipse with the sun and moon both in the sky above the earth, because the earth is supposed to be what’s causing the shadow on the moon.
    3.   You cannot have a FULL moon during the daytime.

    Here’s a diagram from one of those flat earth debunking videos T8 posted…

    Notice how the moon is between the sun and the lit half of the earth, so we couldn’t possibly have a full moon then if the sun is what lights the moon up.  Even T8’s source makes it clear that we’d be seeing the dark side of the moon from the daylight part of the earth.  In this one, I added some red lines to show how the sunlight would have to hit the moon to make the side facing the daylight part of the earth full and white…

     

    Are you starting to get the picture now?  I await your explanations for these three things.  Or just pick one of them for now, and explain to me how it could happen.

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    #829401
     Dig4truth 
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    Hmmm, quite a solid argument Mike!

    #829402
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Dig4,

    About as solid as the molten glass firmament in which both the birds and the sun, the moon and the stars can be seen?

    Legalism is it’s own reward.

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    Hi Mike.

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    #829407
     mikeboll64 
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    T8, could you add my images after the corespinding ellipses in my last post to Kathi? Your site stopped responding as I was in the process of editing the post to insert the images. It said site can’t be reached.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Done. Let me know if you want me to rearrange them.

    Sorry about the server. I paid for 3 years with a host who turned out to be useless. I have a new server where I host other sites as I am a web programmer by trade and I am freeing up space on that server so I can migrate Heaven Net there eventually. Will be doing that in 3 months or sooner. Hopefully the performance is good enough in the meantime to keep people happy most of the time. What happens is the current host throttles the connection on purpose when the server CPU maxes out which happens when many members are posting at the same time.

    If the issue happens again, you could copy and paste into a new post and add the images using Add Media. Then ask me to delete the old post.

    As for the jump to the post issue after posting or clicking on Recent Replies, it seems that topics that get quite long lose their pagination, so I am working through this to try and fix the issue.

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    T8, do you know how frustrating it is to spend a bunch of time on a post, only for it to display like this…

     

    I had to go back and manually remove every “span” the all the other crap.  It’s done that a few times on me.  Is it something I’m doing wrong?

    That has happened to me but rarely and not for a long time. I believe it happens when the server is stressing out with CPU load. What I have do to rectify this is to go in on Visual mode and copy everything including the code, then delete everything in the post and paste it all back except in in text mode. Text mode handles the code and renders it as it should display.

    Sorry about that. As mentioned before, I have a fix in the pipeline which is to migrate to a faster server with more CPU.

    #829426
     Lightenup 
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    Mike,

    What is your stance on the Sandy Hook school killings? Did it happen or no?

    #829428
     Lightenup 
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    Mike,

    you said:

    1.  You could not possibly see the earth from the moon unless you were looking directly up… unlike that wet flag photo.

    2.   You cannot have a lunar eclipse with the sun and moon both in the sky above the earth, because the earth is supposed to be what’s causing the shadow on the moon.

    3.   You cannot have a FULL moon during the daytime.

    If you were on the right or left side of the moon, the earth would not be “up.” The earth would only be “up” if you were on the nearest to the earth side.

    When one part of the country is viewing a complete lunar eclipse, another part of the country  that is not under the moon’s path is not viewing it the same way.

    The full moon stays in its full moon phase for a few days. I would think that a short time during the full moon phase, in its fullest phase, it would be the least likely to be seen during the day. Before and after the fullest phase, it may be able to be seen to some degree. I’m thinking that the moon can look like a crescent moon during the daytime when it is in its full moon phase that is seen at night.

    #829429
     Lightenup 
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    Here is a video with the Astronaut Harrison Jack Schmitt talking about his pictures. Interesting. He should know about his own pictures.

    #829430
     t8 
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    Mike, you can be assured that there is a logical explanation.

    #829431
     t8 
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    Seeing the sun and moon at the same time

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