@Lightenup

Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:
Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.

Nothing disagreeable here; your next statements are where the problem lies. You know the Jesus is…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

AI is your source…like I said before, what could go wrong!!?? AI is programmed by man and can only do what it’s programmed to do; a search engine that can look at more information in a split second than you could in a month and give it back in a readable format. If the only information it finds is based in christianity, what do y…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Not speaking of “messianic” Jews – that’s “christianity” with Jewish customs thrown in; I’m speaking of Orthodox Judaism.

Yeshua (Jesus) as the divine Messiah and Son of God

The Jesus can’t be the true Messiah as he wasn’t born of the seed of David and Solomon (he did have a biological daddy), he was conceived of the spirit. Do you…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Memra means “word,” in the sense of “the creative or directive word or speech of God manifesting His power in the world of matter or mind”; a term used in the Targum as a substitute for “Lord” when an anthropomorphic expression is to be avoided.” Basically it is a substitution for YHWH and its derivatives.

Outside of the Targums, whe…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Once again we aren’t on the same page; you aren’t quoting from the Targum (click here for your Targums – Onkelos and Jonathan are the most used), you’re quoting Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho. It’s no wonder there’s mass amounts of confusion; you aren’t quoting scripture; you’re quoting the musings of man.

If this is what your…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

At least you now know that the belief of two powers in Heaven, held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE, is not a modern interpretation.

Have you heard of the Targums?

Did Moses, Joshua, the Judges, or the prophets teach G-d as a “bi-unity” or more importantly, did G-d…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

I asked for scriptural proof and NOT writings of a scholar christianizing the Jewish scripture with his thoughts.

Daniel 7:9–14: Describes the “Ancient of Days” (God) on a fiery throne, followed by “one like a son of man” who approaches on clouds, receives everlasting dominion, and is served by all peoples. Early Jewish interpret…

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@Lightenup,

We can take a slight pause on the Deut 10 :17 after you give me an analogy that is not comparing apples to oranges and shows that you are grasping the pattern.

Not trying to grasp a “pattern”; I’m looking at the grammatical structure of the sentence…facts. Did you not read the grammar break down of the sentence? This concept is from…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

So, let me ask you if you know about the belief that enough early Jews (before Jesus came), believed that the Tanak was speaking about two powers of God, so much so, that the orthodox Jewish rabbis made a declaration about that belief?

Don’t be a tease, back up what you say; provide proof to that statement and the “two powers” of G-d.

@Lightenup,

You are making no sense, obviously the nation of Israel came from Jacob and his sons; where does G-d claim to be more than one. Please provide the passages that support this “trinitarian” claim (do you notice how you are avoiding the question??).

Can we please finally put G-d/the Jesus “unity” of Deut 10:17 to rest; I understand gra…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

If I were to say: Israel is Jacob and sons. Would you agree that the statement shows that Israel is more than one person?

You’re reaching and your analogy doesn’t work; you’re using an example of two physical separate identities and trying to make them one. Whereas G-d NEVER refers to HIMSELF as a multi “being”; christianity created t…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.”

I understand that verse to show that YHWH is God and Lord, two persons.

If I were to say my shirt is black and white, does that mean I have two shirts? Absolutely not!!!! It mea…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

You realize “Yahweh” is translated to “Lord”…right? So wouldn’t “Lord” also be an appropriate name to use?

When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit

YHWH is yud, hei, vav, hei (Hebrew) and is the “unpronounceable” name of G-d; wher…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Let’s start here:

There is a theme of unity throughout scripture. Do you agree?

Unity in relation to what? Please be more specific.

@Lightenup,

Your original statement of G-d being “two persons” is false (some will say three – that trinity thing…huge false). I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion quoting Deut 10:17. This passage states G-d is G-d and Lord (don’t throw out the conjunction) and when read in context (verses 12-22) HE is telling Israel they are t…[Read more]

@t8 @Lightenup

At this point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I’ll leave you with a FACT, not a theory:
“If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics—no matter its size—as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one…[Read more]

@t8 @Lightenup @genebalthrop

My answer to your objections:

@t8 @genebalthrop @berean @Lightenup @Jodi @carmel

Here’s an argument by William Carpenter from the year 1885:

If the Earth were a globe, there certainly would be—if we could imagine the thing to be peopled all round—“antipodes:” “people who,” says the dictionary, “living exactly on the opposite side of the globe to ourselves, have their feet op…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Mike gave me a private message for you.
Please read and give an answer:
Can you do me a favor and ask LU about the time I supposedly called her a b….?
1. When did this happen? Weeks ago? Months? Years?
2. Does she have any proof to offer?
3. Did she report the offense?
4. If so, what did Admin do about it? Was I reprimanded?…[Read more]

@berean @carmel @Jodi @keras @Lightenup @gadam123

Hi folks,

Mike was banned unfairly.
I ask you all to show solidarity with Mike
by no longer posting on this forum.
But of course you are free to decide.

God bless you all,

Danny