@Lightenup,

So, let me ask you if you know about the belief that enough early Jews (before Jesus came), believed that the Tanak was speaking about two powers of God, so much so, that the orthodox Jewish rabbis made a declaration about that belief?

Don’t be a tease, back up what you say; provide proof to that statement and the “two powers” of G-d.

@Lightenup,

You are making no sense, obviously the nation of Israel came from Jacob and his sons; where does G-d claim to be more than one. Please provide the passages that support this “trinitarian” claim (do you notice how you are avoiding the question??).

Can we please finally put G-d/the Jesus “unity” of Deut 10:17 to rest; I understand gra…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

If I were to say: Israel is Jacob and sons. Would you agree that the statement shows that Israel is more than one person?

You’re reaching and your analogy doesn’t work; you’re using an example of two physical separate identities and trying to make them one. Whereas G-d NEVER refers to HIMSELF as a multi “being”; christianity created t…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.”

I understand that verse to show that YHWH is God and Lord, two persons.

If I were to say my shirt is black and white, does that mean I have two shirts? Absolutely not!!!! It mea…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

You realize “Yahweh” is translated to “Lord”…right? So wouldn’t “Lord” also be an appropriate name to use?

When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit

YHWH is yud, hei, vav, hei (Hebrew) and is the “unpronounceable” name of G-d; wher…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Let’s start here:

There is a theme of unity throughout scripture. Do you agree?

Unity in relation to what? Please be more specific.

@Lightenup,

Your original statement of G-d being “two persons” is false (some will say three – that trinity thing…huge false). I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion quoting Deut 10:17. This passage states G-d is G-d and Lord (don’t throw out the conjunction) and when read in context (verses 12-22) HE is telling Israel they are t…[Read more]

@t8 @Lightenup

At this point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I’ll leave you with a FACT, not a theory:
“If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics—no matter its size—as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one…[Read more]

@t8 @Lightenup @genebalthrop

My answer to your objections:

@t8 @genebalthrop @berean @Lightenup @Jodi @carmel

Here’s an argument by William Carpenter from the year 1885:

If the Earth were a globe, there certainly would be—if we could imagine the thing to be peopled all round—“antipodes:” “people who,” says the dictionary, “living exactly on the opposite side of the globe to ourselves, have their feet op…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Mike gave me a private message for you.
Please read and give an answer:
Can you do me a favor and ask LU about the time I supposedly called her a b….?
1. When did this happen? Weeks ago? Months? Years?
2. Does she have any proof to offer?
3. Did she report the offense?
4. If so, what did Admin do about it? Was I reprimanded?…[Read more]

@berean @carmel @Jodi @keras @Lightenup @gadam123

Hi folks,

Mike was banned unfairly.
I ask you all to show solidarity with Mike
by no longer posting on this forum.
But of course you are free to decide.

God bless you all,

Danny

@Proclaimer

Please address the post at the top of this page.

@Lightenup

Please come to the Conspiracies thread and offer your input.

Proclaimer:  But you don’t have to bother if you consider that Genesis actually says that God created the heavens and the earth and that the earth was formless and void before the days even began. 

Gene:  By the way I do agree with your point about the earth and water already existed before God started this creation…

Okay, let’s do a comp…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You said:

I believe the Son is the only begotten literal son of God. I have been saying that for 28+ years. Jesus is begotten, not created. A created son would not be a literal son.

Yes. I believe that too.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You asked:

Danny and Berean,
The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

I agree.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Thanks.
You asked:

That which is begotten of the eternal One is part of the family of YHVH and is every bit a YHVH as the eternal One that begat Him.
Would you agree to that?

Yes, I agree. That’s the natural conclusion.

You also said:

That which was begotten of Elvis Presley is part of the Presley family and is every bit a…

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@t8 @genebalthrop @Lightenup @berean
@gadam123 @edj @mikeboll64

Hey guys! and everyone else I didn’t mention,

Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”
Irenaeus understood Jesus as more than “a god” or a divine bein…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Why did you run away, Kathi?  There are questions pending (I may have just answered my own question).

Who is our ONE Creator?

Who is our ONE Creator according to the Apostles who prayed in Acts 4?  (Obviously I refer to the words of their prayer as recorded by Luke, and not to your own supposition regarding what they “…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

If Jesus is Yahweh, then that would contradict Isaiah 45:5.

“I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5

The Bible is a harmony.
So Hebrews 1 has to fit with Isaiah 45:5

If you disagree, then please tell me who is speaking in Isaiah 45:5?
If you say the Father and the Son together, then…[Read more]