Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 12 2009,19:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2009,10:19)Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 12 2009,15:21)KathiJob 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? They could not have shouted for joy, if…[Read more]

Quote I suspect that you cannot answer the questions so you avoid them.I have answered your questions time and time again. This has not been a fruitful correspondence so I suppose we have to agree to disagree.LU

Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 12 2009,15:21)KathiJob 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? They could not have shouted for joy, if they had not been created before the earth.I'm not saying you have to believe…[Read more]

Martian,When I was confronted with the idea of the Son of God actually being a true firstborn, actually born of God and being His actual Son, His non-adopted Son, I wanted to hear God as He guided me to true understanding. I used nothing but the Bible, no other commentaries or popular, scholarly books. After I heard from Him on this, then I…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 11 2009,16:05)Job 38:4″Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.Psalm 102:25In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.Proverbs 3:19By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place;Isaiah…[Read more]

Here ya go Marty,I found these different translations on the NET Bible online along with their notes. I hope it helps.Revelation 3:14 ContextNET © “To 1 the angel of the church in Laodicea write the following: 2 “This is the solemn pronouncement of 3 the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator 4 of God’s creation: NIV ©bible…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 09 2009,11:51)Hello all,I find this passage to be the proof of the Son actually being alive and taking an active role in the original creation which makes Him “pre-existent.”Heb 1:8-128 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 08 2009,10:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 08 2009,15:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 07 2009,01:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 07 2009,17:35)I can say that I am 100% convinced that it is entirely possible for the Son of God to have a beginning on day one of creation and that the term “firstborn of all creation”  is quite likely a…[Read more]

Hello Georg and Irene,Thank you for your faithfulness here and your humility. Your attitude so often demonstrates the fruit of the spirit. Keep it up!Love, Kathi

Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 06 2009,09:14)Hello to Cindy, Marty, Lu, Irene and any I missed that have your attitudes.I appreciate and admire your sprits of humility and love as you post and discuss understandings.  I pray that same spirit will prevail throughout these forums.Paul sure made clear the one ingrediant that must prevail among us –Quote If…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 07 2009,01:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 07 2009,17:35)I can say that I am 100% convinced that it is entirely possible for the Son of God to have a beginning on day one of creation and that the term “firstborn of all creation”  is quite likely a reference to that light.Hi KathiEntirely possible?  Quite Likely?  I th…[Read more]

Thanks Keith for clarifying your stance, I didn't think that you actually thought that you could not learn from this site. You asked some thoughtful questions and I appreciate that.You asked:Quote But let me ask you, do you 'see dimly” that Jesus lived, shed his blood for your sins on Calvary, and rose again? I would hope that you see clearly…[Read more]

Hi Martian,I accept you apologies. I too am sorry that I thought your website was intended to be helpful, you are right I assumed that you wanted us to benefit from it when you just wanted us to consider it. My mistake.You have written in quite length.My response to that written about Isaiah 48:16 is that I have read differing commentaries and…[Read more]

Thanks Irene,I'm glad that we have unity. You are a good encourager!Love, Kathi

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2009,22:58)Hi Lu: My desire is God's very best for you and your family.I appreciate the compliment about my being a nice guy.  I am what my Father has made me, and I am becoming what He is making me to be through my Lord Jesus.  He's still working on me to make be what I aught to be.  It took Him just a week to make the mo…[Read more]

Hi Marty,You say:Quote I can understand what you are implying, but you can not support your theory by scripture, and therefore, I don't believe that there is any more that I can say about this.I have alot of scriptures to support my theory, what I can't provide is one passage in scripture that sums up my theory but no one has been able to do show…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Nice to hear form you. I have to agree with much of what you wrote in the last post here but I would like to challenge this comment that you made:Quote Those who say they are open to change are pretty much saying they are not sure of what they believe or they are just not being honest with themselves, because if you are sure that what…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 05 2009,15:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2009,05:18)Quote (martian @ Feb. 01 2009,17:29)Quote (meerkat @ Feb. 02 2009,07:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2009,18:17)Marty, I do not think you know the “I” and “me” that I am asking you to identify.  Let me try to make it clearer.  Who is the “I” and the “me” referred to in verse 1…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 01 2009,17:29)Quote (meerkat @ Feb. 02 2009,07:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2009,18:17)Marty, I do not think you know the “I” and “me” that I am asking you to identify.  Let me try to make it clearer.  Who is the “I” and the “me” referred to in verse 16?Isa 48:12-16″Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am H…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2009,00:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2009,15:09)Quote (942767 @ Feb. 04 2009,22:00)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2009,13:35)Quote (942767 @ Feb. 04 2009,19:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 04 2009,17:37)Hi Marty,Quote Hi LU:I have no doubt that God has spoken to you in answer to your prayer about the “the Firstborn of Creation”,…[Read more]