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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Gen 1.3
    ” Let there be light, and there was light”
    Jn 1.4
    “In him was life, and the life was the light of the world. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it There came a man sent from God and his name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. There was the true light , which coming into the world enlightends every man. He was in the world and the world was made through him, and the world did not know him”

    Is this the same light

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Jesus made many statements about light.
    He said if your eye is good your whole body will be full of light.
    He said make sure the light in you is not darkness[deception and falsehood].
    He said 'do not put your light under a bushel' but put it on a hill and let it shine before men.
    He said 'walk while the light is with you' to the disciples who were with him because He was to die and they needed to grasp as much light from him as they could before he left. They needed to let the light lead them.
    The word is a lamp to our feet so the light of Jesus, the Spirit of God, lives in the Word and can guide us along the road.

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     malcolm ferris 
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    Whatsoever makes manifest is light
    With a seed the life remains hidden within it until it springs forth, upon which the life can be identified.
    So with the Word of God, like a seed, the life of it remains hidden until it comes forth in manifestation.

    Paul prayed for the church that we would recieve the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of our understanding being enlightened….

    I beleive that the Word of promise written in ink on pages is like a seed, full of potential life. Plant it in the right ground, water it and once the light strikes it will come to life.
    Light in this analogy being the Spirit of God. For the letter of the Law kills but the spirit brings life. How does that Spirit quicken the Word? By many different channels, God has set in the church offices and ministries to do this, prophets, evangelists, apostles…

    Just a few thoughts :D

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Malcolm,
    Good stuff
    1 Jn 1 5f
    “And this is the message we have heard from him and announce to you that God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin”

    So God is light. The Son, as the image of the Father is light. Light is truth and knowledge.

    And John says Jesus is the Son of God. it is not just a title.

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     Cubes 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,04:22)
    Hi,
    Gen 1.3
    ” Let there be light, and there was light”
    Jn 1.4
    “In him was life, and the life was the light of the world. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it There came a man sent from God and his name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. There was the true light , which coming into the world enlightends every man. He was in the world and the world was made through him, and the world did not know him”

    Is this the same light


    Hi Nick,

    I believe that James 1.17 bears witness of Gen 1.3 as John 1.1 bears witness of God speaking in Genesis.

  • Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
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 malcolm ferris 
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JAMES 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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And John says Jesus is the Son of God. it is not just a title.

Of course not any more that Father is merely a title of God, He is in every sense of the word a patriarch, the Father of a Heavenly family.

Some people get all hung up on titles. Some want to regard only titles, others seem to try to dispute the fact that God acts out His great plan and purpose in offices to perform certain roles and does so using titles to indicate this.

Jesus was declared by John the baptist to be the Lamb of God – a title that shows his role as the sacrifice for sin. Now that sacrifice was offered once for all time, yet in Revelation we see him still referred to by this title. The Throne of God and the Lamb. The Lamb and the Dove in a perfect harmony.

Messiah is the Prophet, Priest and King – His office of prophecy is a continuing one by the Spirit of God, the testimony of Jesus – the Spirit of prophecy…
His office of priest is an everlasting priesthood, after the order of Melchizedek
His princely reign as crown regent is even now established in the hearts of his saints, and shall be fully manifest in the glorious millennial reign to come…

In all the many aspects and forms, attributes displayed and manifestations of glory shed forth to men, we see a great eternal Father, Sovereign in His will and purpose, All wise in His plans, condescending, stooping down to reveal Himself to His creation.
Coming down more and more through time, closer and closer to us.
God above us in a pillar of fire to the children of Israel, so fearful and holy and none dared to approach save men chosen for the purpose.
God with us in the form of His son, who came not to declare himself but to declare his Father's name. The head of the body.
God in us, by a spiritual rebirth – to form a body – His Bride.

now Bride is a title, body is a title, Church a title. Yet more than a title to the members of this family not born of men but of God. More than a title – also a living reality…

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,04:22)
Hi,
Gen 1.3
” Let there be light, and there was light”
Jn 1.4
“In him was life, and the life was the light of the world. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it There came a man sent from God and his name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. There was the true light , which coming into the world enlightends every man. He was in the world and the world was made through him, and the world did not know him”

Is this the same light


Hi Nick,

I believe that James 1.17 bears witness of Gen 1.3 as John 1.1 bears witness of God speaking in Genesis.

  • Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

  • Lovely

    #13501
     NickHassan 
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    Quote (malcolm ferris @ May 11 2006,02:10)
    JAMES 1:17
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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    And John says Jesus is the Son of God. it is not just a title.

    Of course not any more that Father is merely a title of God, He is in every sense of the word a patriarch, the Father of a Heavenly family.

    Some people get all hung up on titles. Some want to regard only titles, others seem to try to dispute the fact that God acts out His great plan and purpose in offices to perform certain roles and does so using titles to indicate this.

    Jesus was declared by John the baptist to be the Lamb of God – a title that shows his role as the sacrifice for sin. Now that sacrifice was offered once for all time, yet in Revelation we see him still referred to by this title. The Throne of God and the Lamb. The Lamb and the Dove in a perfect harmony.

    Messiah is the Prophet, Priest and King – His office of prophecy is a continuing one by the Spirit of God, the testimony of Jesus – the Spirit of prophecy…
    His office of priest is an everlasting priesthood, after the order of Melchizedek
    His princely reign as crown regent is even now established in the hearts of his saints, and shall be fully manifest in the glorious millennial reign to come…

    In all the many aspects and forms, attributes displayed and manifestations of glory shed forth to men, we see a great eternal Father, Sovereign in His will and purpose, All wise in His plans, condescending, stooping down to reveal Himself to His creation.
    Coming down more and more through time, closer and closer to us.
    God above us in a pillar of fire to the children of Israel, so fearful and holy and none dared to approach save men chosen for the purpose.
    God with us in the form of His son, who came not to declare himself but to declare his Father's name. The head of the body.
    God in us, by a spiritual rebirth – to form a body – His Bride.

    now Bride is a title, body is a title, Church a title. Yet more than a title to the members of this family not born of men but of God. More than a title – also a living reality…


    Hi Malcolm,
    John recognised Jesus as who he was “The Lamb of God”
    That is not just a declaration of a title but describes his sacrificial nature and his Godly purpose.

    Titles are but empty words.

    The Son of Man describes his nature and being too.

    He is a son of Mary and a son of Adam, his tent of the dust of the earth, like ours.

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     malcolm ferris 
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    Titles are but empty words.

    Can be, my point was, titles exist to declare a role, an office.
    And the office or role declares a paln and purpose.
    And this plan and purpose declares a person.
    The titles, roles, offices, plan, purpose can all seem very empty, intellectual, complex.
    Or can by revelation through the spirit be shown forth as the richness and depth and length and breadth… the love that passes understanding.
    We often speak of bodies as 'just' a body. As the dust of the earth. Yet we must not forget we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Even though we be in the form of a fallen glory, yet the form has a glory.
    When we see a flower, it is no more than a form, an outer appearance that fades, showing forth the life hidden within. But to one who appreciates flowers the form is also a reality of the flower in bloom.

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (malcolm ferris @ May 11 2006,02:38)

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    Titles are but empty words.

    Can be, my point was, titles exist to declare a role, an office.
    And the office or role declares a paln and purpose.
    And this plan and purpose declares a person.
    The titles, roles, offices, plan, purpose can all seem very empty, intellectual, complex.
    Or can by revelation through the spirit be shown forth as the richness and depth and length and breadth… the love that passes understanding.
    We often speak of bodies as 'just'  a body. As the dust of the earth. Yet we must not forget we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Even though we be in the form of a fallen glory, yet the form has a glory.
    When we see a flower, it is no more than a form, an outer appearance that fades, showing forth the life hidden within. But to one who appreciates flowers the form is also a reality of the flower in bloom.


    Hi Malcolm,
    Can be.
    But so can, and in my opinion should, these words mean much more than mere titles.

    They can encapsulate the person.

    The Son of God is not just Son by declaration, or Son by behavior.

    He is also, first of all, Son by nature because God really is his Father.

    #13504
     malcolm ferris 
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    Absolutely Jesus is the blood of God, blood carries life, the life came from God.
    God sent him here for this primary purpose to redeem us. He became one of us to redeem us to God and himself.

    JOHN 3:17
    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    His Father sent him here as the Son of God for that purpose

    JOHN 12:27
    Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

    No one else could do this great service, and he could not have done it of himself.
    It took God to send him to the earth, it took God to work through him to perform the works that reconcile us back to him, it took God to raise him from the grave and elevate him to his place of authority.

    GALATIANS 4:4
    But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
    To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Yet as we well know his lifetime was not just about the short period of time in which he was tried, found quilty without cause, killed and raised from the grave to the right hand of God. His ministry was also full of deep and wonderous teaching, mighty signs and wonders, awesome words of prophecy…


    I JOHN 4:10
    Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    If all we know him as is a sacrifice we have missed so much of this lovely one, and therefore of his Father who he came to declare. It is a pity that today many are looking back to a cross of 2000 years past and a man dying upon it, and cannot see that same risen Lord at work in his Church through the ages, in His Word, and by His Spirit.

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    Hi Malcolm,
    “The Father sent him here as the Son of God for that purpose”
    Why would you not simply say

    “God sent His Son for this purpose”??

    That is the language scripture uses and it tells us the truth.

    What does your way of saying this add here or was it just a slip?
    It gives the impression he was not a son before he came, or that his role demanded he be called a son by title.

    #13507
     malcolm ferris 
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    There's the rub – language…

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    Heb 6:1 Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
    Heb 6:2 of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

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    Yes kenrch,
    Here stated are the first essential baby steps of following Christ.

    Like Paul we feel it would be good if we could leave them behind and together see more of the kingdom laid out before us.

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    Hi,
    The Light gives understanding, awareness and self awareness, awareness of the things of God such that we can see the invisible kingdom. It also gives awareness of sin and evil, and those addicted to sin hate that light. That light reveals the truth of the Word of God and shows the way, the path of following Jesus.
    The prince of darkness, the ruler of the kingdom of darkness cannot resist the light because light always defeats darkness. He is a liar and has been from the beginning before the creation of the world. Darkness was over the earth till that light was sent into the world.

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Cubes @ May 11 2006,02:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,04:22)
    Hi,
    Gen 1.3
    ” Let there be light, and there was light”
    Jn 1.4
    “In him was life, and the life was the light of the world. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it There came a man sent from God and his name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. There was the true light , which coming into the world enlightends every man. He was in the world and the world was made through him, and the world did not know him”

    Is this the same light


    Hi Nick,

    I believe that James 1.17 bears witness of Gen 1.3 as John 1.1 bears witness of God speaking in Genesis.

  • Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

  • Hi Cubes and Malcolm,
    The Father of Lights speaks a word and that word which is light appears?

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    Quote (malcolm ferris @ May 11 2006,03:33)
    Jesus is the blood of God, blood carries life, the life came from God.


    Hi Malcolm,
    God is not flesh but Spirit.
    Jesus was conceived by the Father's Spirit and Mary.
    Blood is of earth and remains on earth..
    “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”.[1Cor 15]
    Life is in the blood but the life of Jesus was as our life as Son of Man.
    The flesh of the Son of Man was put over his separate being as Word.
    It was never the flesh of God, in my view.

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     malcolm ferris 
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    Sorry Nick but there is no scripture that states Jesus was conceived by the Father's Spirit and Mary
    Or is there? Perhaps you could show it to me?

    JOB 19:25-27
    For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
    And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
    Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

    Was Job lying here or are these words true? Are the bodies of flesh redeemed as part of the work of salvation or not?

    ROMANS 8:22-23
    For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

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    The flesh of the Son of Man was put over his separate being as Word.

    Where does it say that in scripture? That the flesh of the Son of Man was put over his separate being as Word?

    I PETER 1:23
    Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    We are told by Peter in this verse that we are to be born again of the pure Word seed (spora) of God and not the corruptible word seed of men.
    This is the same Word of God which produced our Savior Jesus Christ – the (spora) Word Seed of God that produced a seed (sperma) of God in the virgin's womb – produces a seed of God in the virgin mind of a genuine believer. This is not a sexual birth but a spiritual birth. In the case of the rebirth this is a quickening of the soul that has already come forth through the fallen human spirit in a body of death. In the case of Jesus who was born without sin – the soul came forth from God's spirit of Life into the body of death.
    The body is death because of the curse on the earth in the garden of Eden. The spirit of man is linked in its nature to that fallen body through the five senses of the body: see, smell, hear, taste and feel. And also through the senses of the mind: conscience, memory, reason, imagination and emotion. And so the soul was brought into a condition of bondage, subject to these senses which are influenced by a sinful nature.
    Jesus soul came forth by the Spirit of God, so his memory was from the time before when he was with God, his conscience was guided by this former existence he had, his reason, his imagination and emotions were all able to draw from this former experience with God, as well as being influenced by his present physical condition.
    In this way he was able to be tempted in all points as even are the reborn sons of God. Before the rebirth there was no temptation involved we just ran with the world and its ways by nature.
    In this way he was also able to overcome as every son of God reborn of the Spirit of God is able to overcome the world by His Word.
    In this way, in a body of death – he was able to die for our sins. Even as we are dead in the flesh and to the flesh by the Spirit of God which is our Life.

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