Irene,Quote Why would Jesus be our Mediator if we can go directly to both and worship both…..He is not needed then….I only worship Jehovah God……Because of Scriptures likeEphesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who above all, and through all, and in you all.The way you ask that question makes it look like believers NEED the Mediator in…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 02 2010,15:36)Kathi, I see no big deal in it, people hate it when I say this, but if someone chooses to worship Jesus, Who am I to judge ? That means I would also have to judge the millions of people who also worship Jesus, but I will give my opinion here, how I see things.Hi Shimmer,You say that you “see no big deal in it,”…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 02 2010,15:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2010,07:17)Well, I was testing you Keith to see if you would humble yourself to admit that monogenes is in the Nicene Creed and translated as 'only begotten' and you failed that test Quote It doesn't matter anyways because those who wrote the creeds believed that there is only “One God”…[Read more]

Keith,The reference that I have says that monogenes is made up of Strong's #3441 and #1096. You used #1085 which may be related but #1096 is a verb and #1085 isn't and it is #1096 that is part of monogenes and not #1085.Quote NT:3439 monogenh/$ monogenes (mon-og-en-ace'); from NT:3441 and NT:1096; only-born, i.e. sole:Quote NT:1096 gi/nomai…[Read more]

Shimmer,Several pages back you said that you do not judge me for worshiping Jesus as the divine Son of God as part of the worship of His Father. Thank you for choosing that path. The Righteous Judge (the Messiah Psalms 72) will not judge me either since He deserves it and is the divine Son of God. I do believe that He will commend my faith. A…[Read more]

Well, I was testing you Keith to see if you would humble yourself to admit that monogenes is in the Nicene Creed and translated as 'only begotten' and you failed that test Quote It doesn't matter anyways because those who wrote the creeds believed that there is only “One God” and do not divide the substance into “two Gods”.APOSTLES' CREED1.I…[Read more]

This info really should end this back and forth arguing if this is true:”In that culture, a dignitary's adult son was deemed equal in stature and privilege with his father. The same deference demanded by a king was afforded to his adult son. The son was, after all, of the very same essence as his father, heir to all the father's rights and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2010,16:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,23:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2010,23:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,22:53)I know Keith, but your view isn't supported as to your translation of monogenes with the early church fathers and the writers of the creeds.KathiAnd just how is that? Because the word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2010,16:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,23:26)keith,When I say the Son had a beginning before creation, I equate that with He was generated before creation.  Just like what it says here:Quote Council of Constantinople II”If anyone does not confess that there are two generations of the Word of God, one from the Father…[Read more]

Keith,Well, I have been praying for you and your family and will continue to do so. What is the saying, “When life gives us lemons…make lemonade” or something like that. You may be joyfully surprised what God has in store for you through this. Keep the hope

Oh Keith is back, hi Keith! I hope your direction is becoming clearer.Anyway, I see that you are discussing a couple of things here.The reason that the Pharisees think that Jesus is making Himself out to be God is because His Father is God and like beget like. They didn't think that He was making Himself out to be the Father but one of the same…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2010,11:29)Now for those of you who only want to put up verses using the term proskuneo that apply to the Father, this might help the readers see that there are plenty where the term 'proskuneo' is applied to the Son.  Also, this is what I was asking Mike to do…so Mike, I saved you some time And here is a list of…[Read more]

Whether proskuneo is translated as “worship” or “bow down” does not really matter. What seems to matter is if the person or persons are doing it towards what they would consider as divinity, false or true gods. We can see that the first commandment in the Young's Literal Translation that the word 'proskuneo' is translated as “bow” and in many…[Read more]

Thanks Mike,Yes everyday is worth celebrating!Goodnight to you too.

Kerwin,My prayers are with you! It must be kinda scary to go through all that. You have been through a lot lately! Remember that God is the great Physician and knows all about Creatinine levels and kidneys and such. He has you in His hands and also has your best interest in mind. Keep your focus on the Lord…He loves you!

Pierre,God does say to worship Christ when talking to the angels, in Hebrews. He never tells us not to worship Christ, anywhere. Christ never tells anyone not to worship Him as the Son of God when they are worshiping Him.No scripture is broken. Worship of the Son should be a natural result of worshiping the Father.

Quote (Baker @ Oct. 30 2010,14:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2010,03:57)Quote (Baker @ Oct. 31 2010,01:38)Good Scripture, I find it amazing, in spite of it all , some still will worship Jesus.  In most Churches all you hear on Songs is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus…… chanting His name…..not any better the Catholic Church and the Rosary.Mat 15:9   B…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2010,17:17)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 31 2010,08:56)hi mikeit seems they all end up running away,into silence.PierreHi Pierre,I'm sure in this case, Kathi is just enjoying her weekend.  She doesn't run from anything………except the truth about who we are to worship. mikeLOL, Pierre's comment was about me? Did he…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 31 2010,16:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2010,03:49)Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2010,01:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2010,16:45)Luke 4:8Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' “Not one pen-stroke Kathi.What people tend not to see about this verse, is that he said: “It is written.”The quote…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2010,12:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2010,11:19)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2010,12:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2010,10:49)Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2010,01:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2010,16:45)Luke 4:8Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' “Not one pen-stroke Kathi.What…[Read more]