Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2011,05:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,15:56)What did the ante-nicene church fathers say about the Son as the firstborn of/over all creation?  Do they indicate that the Son was the first to come forth from God and then through Him all things came into being?  Or did they indicate something else by calling him the f…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote And using “God” as a proper name for the Omniscient Creator of all things means we use “Jesus” as the second name. God (the PERSON) beget Jesus. OR……………God (the PERSON) beget A god.Adam (the PERSON) beget Cain. Or………………Adam (the PERSON) beget AN adam.Get it Kathi? People don't beget THEMSELVES. We…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,20:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,20:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17)What scholars mention “YHWH the Son” – just out of curiosity?Mike,John Gill is who I recall off the top of my head.KathiCan you post a BRIEF part of the writing in which he mentions “Jehovah the Son”?Mike,John Gill's commentary in…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,10:17)Kathiare this the scriptures that you have in mind ??2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. GAL 4:27 For it is written, “REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE N…[Read more]

Mike,Quote No. I remember us discussing this verse, and figuring out together that it speaks of keeping the ones God gave Jesus safe in His name. As in:NKJV ©”Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are .We did…[Read more]

Mike,Interesting to wonder about the others in the lad of Nod. This is probably crazy but maybe they were the fallen angels who had the appearance of men/women. Kathi

Pierre,I believe that every natural son is the image of his father.Can you answer my question now?Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?Thanks,Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52)Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?KathiPierre, I don't believe that you answered this question.KathiKathisorry i must have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,14:19)Mike,If Adam had a son and named him Adam after himself (many fathers do this, btw) then Adam begat Adam.  See?But scripture doesn't tell us of any Son of Jehovah that He named “Jehovah”.  Scripture tells us God's Son is named “Jesus”, not “Jehovah”, right?  To add an…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,14:19)If Jehovah the Son is my own imagination, why do the scholars before me say such a thing also?What scholars mention “YHWH the Son” – just out of curiosity?Mike,John Gill is who I recall off the top of my head.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52)Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?KathiPierre, I don't believe that you answered this question.KathiKathisorry i must have mist it,well ; Theos  his Jehovah      ;Jehovah his Theos what wrong with thi…[Read more]

Mike,If Adam had a son and named him Adam after himself (many fathers do this, btw) then Adam begat Adam. See?You can call Deborah or satan what you want but they do not have the nature of God so I don't call them God. For me there is the Father and the Son together with their Spirit. That is God in His fullness and this unity and all members…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52)Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?KathiPierre, I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi

Ok journey42,It is nice to have another gal on here. Thanks for your response.Blessings,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2011,16:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:30)A God begets a GodA man begets a manKathi,I noticed you used the phrase “God the Son” five times in the post to which I'm responding.  Where can we learn about “God the Son” in the scriptures?…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 24 2011,18:51)The following scripture states that there is but “One God”.1Ti 2:5 For one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; They are “one” in the spirit.John 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2011,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 23 2011,20:52)Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathikathiand what is wrong with that ,Theos= the almighty =the fatherthere is no equal to the father so all other theos no matter if he is called son or not can not be call theos above the Almighty God…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 24 2011,02:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

Wakeup and Journey42,Thanks for clearing that up. One more thing, are you both guys? For some reason, I thought wakeup was a gal. Did you two know each other before you came here? Just curious is all. Do take care and I hope your experience here is a fair one God bless,Kathi

Merry Christmas to those who believe in destroying pagan altars and building an altar for God right in its place and celebrating the truth that the Word became flesh and the whole Christmas story as found in scriptures!  Tonight I am very thankful that there are still people who will stand up and celebrate the birth of Christ in public!!Thank you…[Read more]