Worship God the Father only?

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Kathi

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Pierre,
He(Christ) was not created. You miss truth there. The God of gods created the world through the Lord of lords, creation belongs to both of them, just like salvation belongs to both of them. Both of them form a compound unity named Jehovah, our God.

Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him(Christ) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him(Christ) and for him (Christ).

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him (Christ)should all fulness dwell;

Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me(Christ) forth as the first of his(God) works,
before his (God) deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I(Christ) was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I (Christ)was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I(Christ) was given birth,
Pr 8:26 before he(God) made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
Pr 8:27 I(Christ) was there when he (God)set the heavens in place,
when he(God) marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he(God) established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he(God) gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I (Christ)was the craftsman at his side.
I(Christ) was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

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Jehovah our God does equal the Father AND the Son.

false,Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

Pierre

July 22, 2011 at 1:50 am#253271

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Mike,
I am not playing your game where you keep changing the question. The question of yours that I quoted was sufficient to ask for me to prove what was necessary for Jehovah our God to be a compound unity and yet to be referred to with a singular personal pronoun.

I proved that and I am done proving that. It is an established fact that the church is a compound unity and referred to as a singular pronoun.

Take it or leave it, it is your conscious.
Kathi

It's been left. Along with the scriptures you just quoted that are supposed to tell people that Jehovah God consists of TWO. They don't.

Hey, if you ever DO really find a scripture that tells us Jehovah is TWO, and not ONE, like the scriptures explicitly say, let me know.

Also, if you ever find a group of more than one person referred to by “HE”, “HIM”, or “HIS”, let me know.

Btw, I didn't “change” the question. Nor did I “keep asking the same question”. I simply tweaked the original question to make it fit the circumstances more closely. Like comparing apples to apples. The first question left open the possibility of apples to oranges, which you very adeptly took advantage of. Therefore I tweaked it, forming a BRAND NEW QUESTION. Either answer it or don't – it's your conscience.

peace,
mike

July 22, 2011 at 1:51 am#253272

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MIke,

The Church is a compound unity literally, male or female, it doesn't matter.
Jehovah our God is a compound unity literally, male or female it doesn't matter.

Kathi

Our ONE God is a male, kathi.

July 22, 2011 at 1:55 am#253273

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Hi, Pierre! I do know about Jesus in Rev. 19 and have used that Scripture many times. However I did forget about God in Deut.
So thank you for reminding me….getting old is memory lossssss..
Peace and Love Irene

Irene

I am not far behind you ,just look back and you can see me so close

Pierre

You guys crack me up!

July 22, 2011 at 1:59 am#253274

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but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

Hmmmm……………I wonder if that's why our Lord of lords calls the God of gods “my God”? Perhaps that's also why he says that our God is ALSO his own God. And why he lists his Father and God as “greater than me” and “greater than all”.

July 22, 2011 at 2:07 am#253275

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Pierre,
He was not created. You miss truth there.

Rather, YOU are making up your own “truth” as you go along.

We have one Creator. His first creation was Jesus, then everything else was created through that first creation.

He who makes is one, and he through whom the thing is made is another. – Tertullian

Only the one who Created is our God.

Read the prayer in Acts 4 again WITHOUT trying your hardest to twist things to come out your way. Just read it as it is written, Kathi. They pray TO the ONE who created all things. And they pray TO that ONE THROUGH another. That “other one” that they pray THROUGH is the SERVANT OF the first One.

See? He is not a “part of” that first One. He is not some “co-unity” with that first One. Rather he is the SERVANT of that first One.

Read it without twisting, and you will find truth.

peace,
mike

July 22, 2011 at 3:14 am#253285

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but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

Mike

yes I think so

July 22, 2011 at 5:58 am#253308

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20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jesus want the church to be in complete unity just as He is with the Father.

Kathi

July 22, 2011 at 6:03 am#253310

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but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

Mike

yes I think so

July 22, 2011 at 6:12 am#253311

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but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

You will find the Son referring to the Father as His God when speaking from the perspective of the human nature.

(Like when Mike talks and does different things when he takes on the perspective as the moderator, than when he is just acting as a member of HN…one can be the same person and speak differently in two different roles.)

This continues with Jesus even after He is resurrected, He is still acting the role of two positions. One as the only begotten Son of God who is the exact nature of the Father and the other that experienced the nature of man and acting as the Mediator as the High Priest forever.

Heb 7:3…made like the Son of God he remains a priest forever

Kathi

July 22, 2011 at 4:13 pm#253320

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but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

You will find the Son referring to the Father as His God when speaking from the perspective of the human nature.

Heb 7:3…made like the Son of God he remains a priest forever

Kathi

Heb 7:3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

you are a good cook ,you mixing many ingredients and believe

to have a cake at the end ,the scriptures are not cooking ingredient's,you can not mix them,

Heb 6:20 where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

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You will find the Son referring to the Father as His God when speaking from the perspective of the human nature.

where is that written this double mind,?

Pierre

July 22, 2011 at 6:03 pm#253325

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Pierre,

What do you mean about mixing ingredients. You can see that it says He has become a high priest forever.

The double nature shows a duality of roles:

6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

He existed as God and took on the form of man also, in order to do that, He gave up whatever He needed to in order for that to happen. During His life on earth He walked with men as a man, eating, gettig thirsty, sleeping, buying food, walking everywhere…but then at other times you see Him walking on water, rebuking the storm, feeding 5000, raising the dead, healing the blind and sick supernaturally, being the wisdom and power of God.

He acted both as natural man and supernatural deity.

July 22, 2011 at 6:26 pm#253327

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Pierre,

What do you mean about mixing ingredients. You can see that it says He has become a high priest forever.

The double nature shows a duality of roles:

He acted both as natural man and supernatural deity.

Kathi

you see that is why you can not tell me what the whole plan of God is and the part Christ is occupied in this plan,

so unless you understand that plan ,you will never come to the full understanding of the truth of God,

you may discuss ,words,parts of sentences ,some ideas ,but you never will be in the full understanding of God,

Pierre

July 23, 2011 at 1:47 am#253344

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So, Pierre,
You just make these statements that tell me some insult but you don't point out anything specific about my post. Do you know who Elihu is?

July 23, 2011 at 3:23 am#253348

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So, Pierre,
You just make these statements that tell me some insult but you don't point out anything specific about my post. Do you know who Elihu is?

Kathi

first tell me,;why is Christ the only son of God .?

why is Christ named Christ ?

why is Christ named the second Adam ?

why is Christ as given up his live as man ?

why is Christ went back to heaven ?

what information did Christ told his disciples ?

what is Christ told to his disciples to do with there information that he give them ?

what effect should the information do to the ones who receive it ?

why was the law given ?

why was Abraham called Gods friend ?

What is the meaning of this live ?

why was Christ made high priest ?

I have many other questions ,I ask you wen you give me the answer of those

Pierre

July 23, 2011 at 1:10 pm#253370

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Pierre,
If you don't know those elementary answers, you need to study your Bible, not ask someone that you automatically insult every one of their responses. I am not interested in entertaining you. I'm going to pass…not worth my time, sorry. I would rather spend my time helping someone.

Kathi

July 23, 2011 at 3:01 pm#253382

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Kathi

it is strange that you say that you know all the answers to those elementary questions and yet you try to teach what is not in scriptures so you went beyond what scriptures teaches,

tell me how can you help some one to see the light in scriptures if you have rejected it?

Pierre

July 24, 2011 at 2:28 pm#253474

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Jesus want the church to be in complete unity just as He is with the Father.

Bingo! First, Jesus PRAYS TO HIS GOD, making a REQUEST OF HIS GOD on our behalf. And his request is that we also be in unity with him and his God. So if this doesn't mean that some of us will also BE God Himself, then is surely doesn't mean that Jesus is God Himself, does it?

July 24, 2011 at 2:32 pm#253475