April 27, 2005 at 9:25 pm #6738Anonymous
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Great article hereApril 27, 2005 at 9:40 pm #6739
excellent thank you.May 12, 2005 at 7:00 pm #6955
” For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because all that which is know about God is evident to them;for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made , so they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honour Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise , they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four footed animals and crawling creatures.
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged their natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness”
Who is the Creator? God
Whom should all men know through creation? God
Whom should all men acknowledge and honor and thank? God
Should men worship any other god? No.The bible never tells us to worship any being but God.
Should men worship Jesus? No. He is the only begotten Son, the “Firstborn of all creation”
Did he not create? No. All creation came through him.God is the builder and he is the carpenter.
Is he not a God? Yes but he is not the Father creator and he has life in himself.
What is the fruit of rejection of the truth? Deception. False wisdom and false confidence. Folly.
What is the fruit of idolatry of created beings? Homosexuality and sexual indecency.June 1, 2005 at 11:36 pm #7072
God is God
It is simple.June 21, 2005 at 2:48 am #7308
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” But an hour is coming and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPPERS will WORSHIP THE FATHER in spirit and truth;for just such people the Father seeks to be HIS WORSHIPPERS. God is spirit, and those WHO WORSHIP HIM must worship in spirit and truth”
So true worshippers worship the Father. Seems simple.June 22, 2005 at 2:07 am #7340Anonymous
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The “true” worshippers:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 1:18 – I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.June 22, 2005 at 2:14 am #7341
Are you in Jesus? If you are how do you worship that of which you are a part?June 22, 2005 at 2:18 am #7343Anonymous
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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2005,03:14) Hi FYI,
Are you in Jesus? If you are how do you worship that of which you are a part?
That's easy Nick:
Ephesians 5:29 – For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,June 22, 2005 at 3:18 am #7347
Of course Christ loves his church and is deeply loved in return but your point is?June 22, 2005 at 8:35 am #7351
Matthew 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly (A)God's Son!”
Nowhere in the new testemant does it say don't worship Jesus. Worship God, Worship Jesus. Jesus died on the cross to beat satan at his own game so that He could hold the keys to death and hades (REV1:18and the (A)living One; and I (B)was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have Âthe keys of death and of Hades.) He passes all the Glory onto the Father, but deserves our worship. He is our risen Lord.
SJune 22, 2005 at 8:43 am #7352
Neither does it say to worship Jesus. But it does say to worship God many times. Jesus was a magnificent pure vessel. God was in Jesus by His Spirit doing His works of righteousness. Jesus himself deserves and will receive all the glory and honour men can give him. And with him and in him with the help of the Spirit we should worship his Father as he told us to do.
Do you worship more than one deity? Do you have two Gods?June 22, 2005 at 8:52 am #7353
Greek word in the text is “proskuneo”. It is Strong's number 4352, proskuneo meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand. It is translated “worship” 60 out of 60 times in the KJV.
Only have 1 God, The Father and 1 Lord Jesus.
Don't understand why it is such a big deal since the old was speaking to those with only the current recolection of 1 Spirit God. Within the New Testemant there is 3 Personas which 2 of them need Worship. Thanking Christ or bowing to Him for His great overcoming of temptation and going to the cross for our sins. I believe deems worship to Him. If He doesn't want worship then I believe He would have stated so when He was speaking to the multitudes following Him. I don't believe that He would yell out fall down and worship me. I believe He deserves my worship for being the pure white lamb.June 22, 2005 at 9:07 am #7354
If trinity theory God is three equal persons you cannot possibly develop your own doctrine that says only two of them are worshipped surely? How equal is that? Jesus is not the God and he is separate from that God though totally united in will and purpose, so you are worshipping two deities if you worship them both.
Obedience to God is what is required. If he wanted us to worship Jesus Christ we would be doing it because we are told we should and not because we think it seems logical surely? It would be written to do so and we could prove our obedience by what is written. You say that is not written that we should not do so. That is not relevant to obeying God.
Actions taken outside of commands often run awry with the commander of the Army.June 22, 2005 at 9:13 am #7355
I don't believe in the trinity theory whatsoever. And I don't believe Jesus and God are equal as well as you don't. God is above Christ it says that over and over in the bible.
SJune 22, 2005 at 9:17 am #7356
You are in agreement with God Himself and His Son and the apostles. That is a true foundation for faith.June 22, 2005 at 9:17 am #7357
Quote (Guest @ April 27 2005,22:25) Great article here
This link may help. Frank4Yahweh also wrote a good one.June 22, 2005 at 9:24 am #7358
REV 5:6And I saw [a]between the throne (with the four living creatures) and (I)the elders a (J)Lamb standing, as if (K)slain, having seven (L)horns and (M)seven eyes, which are (N)the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
7And He came and took (O)the book out of the right hand of Him who (P)sat on the throne.
8When He had taken the book, the (Q)four living creatures and the Âtwenty-four elders (S)fell down before the (T)Lamb, each one holding a (U)harp and (V)golden bowls full of incense, which are the (W)prayers of the saints.
9And they sang a (X)new song, saying, “(Y)Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were (Z)slain, and (AA)purchased for God with Your blood men from (AB)every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
10″You have made them to be a (AC)kingdom and (AD)priests to our God; and they will (AE)reign upon the earth.”
Is that not worship?
11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels (AF)around the throne and the (AG)living creatures and the (AH)elders; and the number of them was (AI)myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,
12saying with a loud voice, “(AJ)Worthy is the (AK)Lamb that was (AL)slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13And (AM)every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who (AN)sits on the throne, and to the (AO)Lamb, (AP)be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14And the (AQ)four living creatures kept saying, “(AR)Amen ” And the (AS)elders (AT)fell down and worshiped.
It even ends that they worshiped and I would Assume from the posture of the note it means both the lamb and God.
SJune 22, 2005 at 9:27 am #7359
What does worship mean in scriptural terms?June 22, 2005 at 9:51 am #7361
Scriptual terms? Or what does Worship mean?
Worship According to Webster Or new American Heritage NOUN:
The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
Ardent devotion; adoration.
often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.
wor·shiped or wor·shipped , wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping , wor·ships
To honor and love as a deity.
To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere 1.
To participate in religious rites of worship.
To perform an act of worship.
Scriptual Terms, I have no clue since I don't believe that it actually DEFINES worship accept through actions which there is millions of acts of worship, such as serving, which was done numerous by hundereds of people to Christ. I hope we all serve Christ. You can Sing, pray… as a matter of fact we are suppose to pray in the name of Jesus since He is the mediator between us and God. Either way worship is millions of acts, As long as we are doing it in Spirit and in Truth then we are performing worship. If we arn't then I would suppose it would be rejected.
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