Worship God the Father only?

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Mike,
you said this:

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Now if we factor in the FACT that two or more persons are NEVER referred to with a SINGULAR, PERSONAL PRONOUN, then MY understanding must be the correct one.

from here, second post from the bottom:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=1960

This is another statement that I have proven wrong with the passage in my last post.

Can you admit that Mike?
Kathi

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2011,16:57) PS…we made it to page 200!!  I don't know if that is good or bad.  Seems like this should be settled long ago and really not been an issue with such a wonderful Jesus that we have. Nobody is doubting how wonderful Jesus is, Kathi.  But you are right, this really should have been settled on page 1.   God says to worship ONLY God Almighty. Jesus says to worship ONLY God Almighty. The angel in Rev says to worship ONLY God Almighty. Scripture says to NOT worship the creation along with the Creator – a SINGULAR word that refers to God Almighty alone. Yep.  Settled.

So Mike,
Are you saying that we are not to worship Jehovah, our God?

Kathi

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Kathi,

As was the case with the “Gabriel” question for Wm (as is being discussed in the “What's with Paladin” thread), sometimes I have an afterthought that helps me to tweak my question to better cause the Devil to surface so that I can root him out.

But even with the old specs, your “church” thing doesn't work unless you think God is a “HE” only metaphorically.  Do you?  If not, then you've not done what you set out to do, which is to show me that it's a normal, everyday occurance to use the word “HE” to refer to MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

Regardless, I have upped the ante on you now.  I am asking for a “HE”, “HIM”, or “HIS”.  Because these are the same exact words that you claim are used in reference of our TWO Gods, or the TWO PERSONS in our “God Unity” or whatever.

So if you can't show a similar use of those EXACT words, then you have nothing.

Kathi, this isn't about saying, “Mike left the question open too wide, and I snuck through, ta da!”  This is about you seriously trying to prove that two Gods really COULD BE referred to as a “HE”.

So…………….SHOW ME. Show me any other two persons who are referred to together as a “HE”.

As to your last post, I won't play the “Jesus is Jehovah the Son” game with you.  Either address the post as I've written it, or don't address it.  It matters not to me.

peace,
mike

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Mike,
This should help you know that we are to worship Jehovah, our God:

Deut 6:13 “You shall fear only Jehovah your God ; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name.

Deut 26:10 'Now behold, I have brought the first of the produce of the ground which You, O Jehovah have given me.' And you shall set it down before Jehovah your God, and worship before Jehovah your God;

1 Samuel 15:25 “Now therefore, please pardon my sin and return with me, that I may worship Jehovah.”

Who is Jehovah, our God, Mike:

This should help:
“For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

And who is the God of gods?
And who is the Lord of lords?

1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

But is our ONE Lord Jesus Christ, the 'Lord of lords?'

“These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

So, all this means that we are to worship the Father and the Son who make up the compound unity called 'Jehovah, our God.'

Thanks Bible

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Mike,
I am not playing your game where you keep changing the question. The question of yours that I quoted was sufficient to ask for me to prove what was necessary for Jehovah our God to be a compound unity and yet to be referred to with a singular personal pronoun.

I proved that and I am done proving that. It is an established fact that the church is a compound unity and referred to as a singular pronoun.

Take it or leave it, it is your conscious.
Kathi

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Mike, I am not playing your game where you keep changing the question. The question of yours that I quoted was sufficient to ask for me to prove what was necessary for Jehovah our God to be a compound unity and yet to be referred to with a singular personal pronoun. I proved that and I am done proving that.  It is an established fact that the church is a compound unity and referred to as a singular pronoun. Take it or leave it, it is your conscious. Kathi

Kathi

you have only proven that you do not care for scripture truth

Pierre

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MIke,

The Church is a compound unity literally, male or female, it doesn't matter.
Jehovah our God is a compound unity literally, male or female it doesn't matter.

Kathi

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MIke, The Church is a compound unity literally, male or female, it doesn't matter. Jehovah our God is a compound unity literally, male or female it doesn't matter. Kathi

Kathi

if you keep your principal ,at the end of all thing Christ  turns all things to his father ,right

and then all will be of God ;;;and so the total universe would be one unit right? because there will be no one to oppose God s will
but this does not mean that all are God or gods but it mean that all are submit to God Jehovah

Pierre

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Pierre,
you said:

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ll are submit to God Jehovah

Who is Jehovah our God, Pierre.  First you need to know who this is in order to build your foundation on a rock so that the storms can't blow it over.

Here is your answer:

“For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

And who is the God of gods?
And who is the Lord of lords?

1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

But is our ONE Lord Jesus Christ, the 'Lord of lords?'

“These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

In conclusion, the Father and the Son make up the compound unity called 'Jehovah, our God.'

Kathi

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Kathi

see it this way

Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords

the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings

can you see it ?

Pierre

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Pierre,
What are you doing? What is that supposed to tell me?

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Pierre, What are you doing?  What is that supposed to tell me?

Kathi

Christ is never called the God of gods is he ?

but God is called LORD OF LORDS

AND SO IS CHRIST  but God goes first right Christ is the lord of lords but it does not includes God right

but when it is God who say he is LORD OF LORDS it includes Christ ,

do you understand now ?

Pierre

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but God is called LORD OF LORDS

Pierre! I never heard that God is called LORD OF LORDS. The reason Jehovah God is called LORD in all capital letters is because the Translators were afraid to use Gods name in vain, so in the Old Test. Jehovah God is called LORD or just God.
While in the New Test. I know of one Scripture were Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords. But Lord is not in capital letters for Jesus.
Peace and Love Irene

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Quote but God is called LORD OF LORDS Pierre!  I never heard that God is called LORD OF LORDS.  The reason Jehovah God is called LORD in all capital letters is because the Translators were afraid to use Gods name in vain, so in the Old Test. Jehovah God is called LORD or just God. While in the New Test. I know of one Scripture were Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  But Lord is not in capital letters for Jesus.   Peace and Love Irene

Irene

Dt 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

Rev 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings

is this help?

Pierre

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Pierre,
you said:

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Christ is never called the God of gods is he ?

I haven't exhausted the study of that, but as far as I can tell, the Son is not referred to as the God of gods.

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but God is called LORD OF LORDS

Jehovah our God is called Lord of lords but I don't believe the Father alone is.  

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AND SO IS CHRIST

Yes, the only begotten Son, Jesus Christ is called the Lord of lords.  

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but God goes first right Christ is the lord of lords but it does not includes God right

Jehovah our God is both God of gods and Lord of lords.  The Lord of lords is part of the compound unity of Jehovah our God.

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but when it is God who say he is LORD OF LORDS it includes Christ ,

When Jehovah our God says He is Lord of lords, that includes the Son.

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do you understand now ?

It helps to say Jehovah our God when referring to our God who is ONE.  
Jehovah our God does not equal the Father.
Jehovah our God does equal the Father AND the Son.

“Jehovah our God” is the name of the compound unity that is made up of the Father AND the Son.

The word “Church” is the name of the compound unity that is made up of the follower's of Christ.

imo,
Kathi

BTW, Pierre, good job helping Irene see where Jesus is the Lord of lords

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Quote (Pastry @ July 22 2011,05:32) Quote but God is called LORD OF LORDS Pierre!  I never heard that God is called LORD OF LORDS.  The reason Jehovah God is called LORD in all capital letters is because the Translators were afraid to use Gods name in vain, so in the Old Test. Jehovah God is called LORD or just God. While in the New Test. I know of one Scripture were Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  But Lord is not in capital letters for Jesus.   Peace and Love Irene Irene Dt 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. Rev 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings is this help? Pierre

Hi, Pierre! I do know about Jesus in Rev. 19 and have used that Scripture many times. However I did forget about God in Deut.
So thank you for reminding me….getting old is memory lossssss..
Peace and Love Irene

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Irene, you asked: Quote Where is it in Scripture that makes them both Jehovah God? Irene, read this post through carefully… Deut 10:17“For the LORD your God is the God of gods AND the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. Now read this: Rev 7:14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” Now, Irene, tell me who is the 'Lord of lords' in these verses from Revelations. If you said Jesus, you are correct and you find Him as part of who Jehovah (the LORD) our God is with the Father who is 'God of gods' in the above verse from Deuteronomy. Remember, Paul tells us exactly who is the one God and who is the one Lord. 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. It is plain Irene.  “Jehovah our God” is the name of the unity of the Father and the Son. Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel,  the LORD (Jehovah) our God, the LORD (Jehovah) is one.e 30Love the LORD (Jehovah) your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’f 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” Irene, do you think we are to worship the LORD our God? Love to you little firecracker German girl, Kathi

Irene,
Now that you remember the verse in Deuteronomy (again) look at my post to you.  I'm not sure you addressed this post.

Thanks!

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Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2011,03:03) Quote (Pastry @ July 22 2011,05:32) Quote but God is called LORD OF LORDS Pierre!  I never heard that God is called LORD OF LORDS.  The reason Jehovah God is called LORD in all capital letters is because the Translators were afraid to use Gods name in vain, so in the Old Test. Jehovah God is called LORD or just God. While in the New Test. I know of one Scripture were Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  But Lord is not in capital letters for Jesus.   Peace and Love Irene Irene Dt 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. Rev 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings is this help? Pierre Hi, Pierre!  I do know about Jesus in Rev. 19 and have used that Scripture many times.  However I did forget about God in Deut. So thank you for reminding me….getting old is memory lossssss.. Peace and Love Irene

Irene

I am not far behind you ,just look back and you can see me so close

Pierre

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Irene,
See the date on which I showed you the Deuteronomy 10:17 verse in the quote in the above post? July 18th was just 3 days ago and until Pierre showed you the Deuteronomy 10:17 verse, you showed that you didn't have a clue about it. I'm sure that is frustrating for you and realize that your lack of memory is something that we all have to some extent. We are all on the road to decay and sometday we will take our eternal detour off that road, till then…happy trails! We just keep learning the same 'new' thing over and over, don't we.

Love,
Kathi

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Pierre, you said: Quote Christ is never called the God of gods is he ? I haven't exhausted the study of that, but as far as I can tell, the Son is not referred to as the God of gods. Quote but God is called LORD OF LORDS Jehovah our God is called Lord of lords but I don't believe the Father alone is.   Quote AND SO IS CHRIST Yes, the only begotten Son, Jesus Christ is called the Lord of lords.   Quote but God goes first right Christ is the lord of lords but it does not includes God right Jehovah our God is both God of gods and Lord of lords.  The Lord of lords is part of the compound unity of Jehovah our God. Quote but when it is God who say he is LORD OF LORDS it includes Christ , When Jehovah our God says He is Lord of lords, that includes the Son. Quote do you understand now ? It helps to say Jehovah our God when referring to our God who is ONE.   Jehovah our God does not equal the Father. Jehovah our God does equal the Father AND the Son. “Jehovah our God” is the name of the compound unity that is made up of the Father AND the Son. The word “Church” is the name of the compound unity that is made up of the follower's of Christ. imo, Kathi BTW, Pierre, good job helping Irene see where Jesus is the Lord of lords

Kathi

you did get some understanding but not all ;

when Christ is said that he is the Lord of lords this is true because he is the son of God and no one else is at his level so he is alone after God,so he is Lord to all creation and so “of lords ” yes he is above anything that is called lord on earth and in heaven,

but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,

do you now understand it ?

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“Jehovah our God” is the name of the compound unity that is made up of the Father AND the Son.

this is not scriptural at all ,false

Pierre

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