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Quote (t8 @ April 26 2013,00:17) The fact that the UB picked up the Trinity to me shows this is of man. Scripture doesn't teach the Trinity, paganism does. The Trinity is not a biblical doctrine. It is a doctrine that came later when Paganism and Christianity merged aspects of each other with the aid of a Roman Emperor who tried very hard and succeeded in bringing his subjects into line with his rule. Constantine had to appease not only Christians who were numerous and everywhere in his empire, but also the Pagans who were the first love. Sunday being the holyday (holiday) is one such example of a change to appease both. It is the day of the sun, and not the Sabbath at all, but was used as the day of rest. Then there was Easter (ishtar) another Pagan celebration and even Christmas too. The Trinity is another example of this paganism of Christianity
To me that is as blatant as the UB teaching on Easter or Christmas when we know that these are just traditions. So this is just regurgitated Paganism to me and not a true revelation at all.
Elohim is used both singularly and in the plural. Jesus was Son of Elohim plural.You have a closed mind t8, you don't even read what I post.
The UB doesn't teach Easter or Christmas, Jesus was born at noon, August 21, 7 B.C.
Jesus wasn't born of a virgin either and Mary and Joseph were married. Virgin birth is Pagan as well.
The ignorance of the anti-preexistence, anti-divinity crowd is that they have God birthing a God jr in Jesus, that our Lord and God became a 30+ carpenter from Nazareth, who floated off into heaven and now has “all power and authority in heaven and on earth.”
The UB philosophy is superior to the Catholics Bible.
Colter
You will need to explore the door used to create the trinity!
As mentioned years an years ago, the father figure has been exchanged for god!The trinity is a an interpretation that even turms Jesus into god if ypu let it
The romans have stolen an re vamped from the original text, mainly to excommunicate kings david from the triangle
God David an Jesus have formed Jerusalem, an the Romans don't want that argument while everythings turning civilized, an there over running
Kingdom as spoil!Such long drwn out post guys?
Quote (Colter @ April 26 2013,04:02) You have a closed mind t8, you don't even read what I post. The UB doesn't teach Easter or Christmas, Jesus was born at noon, August 21, 7 B.C.
Colter. Apply your words to yourself because I never said that the UB teaches Christmas or Easter. What I said was that the Trinity was right up there with Christmas and Easter as far as being a false doctrine.Quote (Colter @ April 26 2013,04:02) The ignorance of the anti-preexistence, anti-divinity crowd is that they have God birthing a God jr in Jesus, that our Lord and God became a 30+ carpenter from Nazareth, who floated off into heaven and now has “all power and authority in heaven and on earth.” The UB philosophy is superior to the Catholics Bible.
Again, who said Jesus was not divine? Certainly not me. You need to read my posts Colter before saying such things.Although he existed in the FORM of God, he emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God in the glory that he had with him before the world began.
If your gospel is different to that, then you preach another gospel. And if you think your different gospel or teaching is superior then you are allowed to believe that. After all, we know that many shall depart the faith and follow after the doctrine of demons. I suspect that this would only be so if they believed that these doctrines were superior. I doubt anyone would follow a doctrine of demons if he knew it was a lie and from a demon. But deception happens for a reason. If we are deceived we only have ourselves to blame because light has come into the world, and many have run from that light.
Quote (t8 @ April 26 2013,15:24) Quote (Colter @ April 26 2013,04:02) The ignorance of the anti-preexistence, anti-divinity crowd is that they have God birthing a God jr in Jesus, that our Lord and God became a 30+ carpenter from Nazareth, who floated off into heaven and now has “all power and authority in heaven and on earth.” The UB philosophy is superior to the Catholics Bible.
Again, who said Jesus was not divine? Certainly not me. You need to read my posts Colter before saying such things.Although he existed in the FORM of God, he emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God in the glory that he had with him before the world began.
If your gospel is different to that, then you preach another gospel. And if you think your different gospel or teaching is superior then you are allowed to believe that. After all, we know that many shall depart the faith and follow after the doctrine of demons. I suspect that this would only be so if they believed that these doctrines were superior. I doubt anyone would follow a doctrine of demons if he knew it was a lie and from a demon. But deception happens for a reason. If we are deceived we only have ourselves to blame because light has come into the world, and many have run from that light.
The inconsistency of anti trinitarians who believe Jesus is divine yet God is only one person is that their are now at least (2) Gods now in heaven. Dual-anity.The jews who rejected Jesus also accused him of teaching a doctrine of demons. Jesus already dismantled your silly argument of demonic doctrines.
Also, Jesus never taught he was a sacrifice for sins, that's ALSO from the Pagans.
Colter
Quote (Mary @ April 26 2013,08:05) You will need to explore the door used to create the trinity!
As mentioned years an years ago, the father figure has been exchanged for god!The trinity is a an interpretation that even turms Jesus into god if ypu let it
The romans have stolen an re vamped from the original text, mainly to excommunicate kings david from the triangle
God David an Jesus have formed Jerusalem, an the Romans don't want that argument while everythings turning civilized, an there over running
Kingdom as spoil!Such long drwn out post guys?
Maybe also, you could explore the door used to create miraculous king David and an arrogant nation of “chosen people” who managed to convince even you that they could do no wrong, that their books were written by God, that they are better then the rest of the people on earth! They would consider you a “Gentile dog” and further a women with no voice!…..but Still you buy their self important writings about themselves with none of the skepticism you consistently apply to John or the common men who knew Jesus and sat as his feet, men who did not write or profit in government power or wealth by their association but died for him?!?!?!?!? You say these Jewish men died on crosses, by stones, by lions all to carry a lie for the Roman government? And all of this is a cover for an even deeper reincarnation religion hidden between the lines of scripture? Respectfully, my best friend on earth, is it possible that you could be wrong? Maybe I am wrong?Colter
I don't care that I am right, the conceqences of what they pasted on to us is the result of self interest wealth! ! In which they have the cheek to use all the prophets words as. Crutch to bully an kill a nation that might rise up an take the 50 ton of temple gold back, where would things be today if Vatican. Ity did not have the Jewish god an treasures!, an the revamped faith that all the earth made there faith around, the destruction of Jesus. an the hopeless wait that could have different if they had not have assainated him for rising up to destroy them! People had had enough of roman bulling back then, an simply prefered the house of David's ruling ! Sacrifice an offering. To believe an your soul shall live without this law killing an sa ricicinv for sin!
What would Jesus turn temple traders tables for! Bisness. Selling sacrifices as a standing law! This is government. An has little to do with god, an Lot to do with abusing gods grace to seem righteous! Which is the game! Over an o er again. For this Roman Empire! Usiinv the faith toHide their greed, an resemble the will of god!
Isreal had been freed of this government by David laws. They wanted it reversed back, as you would want if Islamic law took over America.
But if they kept killing you, an every few years a hitler would come in agreance with the Vatican blind eye, an threw many in mass graves. While you hopelessly wait for salvation from one being to rise to a level he can overthrow government seats an change it! We realy are a pathetic mess aren't we! Never let them conquer your power! We are wasted by a governed that is in secret, against us as a nation
It's time to view the hard side of reality!When the government is against its nation! It's like a being adopted to gain wealth! The treatment will match!
Ask a child that lives with her adopted father an real mothers new children!
Fortunately our government here. Spares to be for our nation.
I am concerned about USA, there's to many things happening that point to a detached government, land tax acesaments are posted threw France la Poste
Many things happen that the nation is not aware of!
It's almost sealed, the nation just has find out the crushing news of the undertow! Sold out!The bible has many things write. About this nature, but the people have prefered to ignore an focas on the signs an wonders! An fail to address the evil nature, under the act of forgiveness, which is another of their twisted tools they have servived by!
Why I target Vatican City
It is a government that has detactched itself from its own nation!!!
It did this threw becoming famous for conquering Jesus an his stand! Awakening people he as he did need an army to winWe need to chop it down at the roots to save ourselves, the roots of this structure are used by governments, the interest is to set themselves up for life away from the nations fate!
If you do not observe the nature of this power then things could end in waste lands with the elect bloodlines enjoying the wealth an power
Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,10:53) Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Huge problem with UB and that is it has incorrect information in it such as:1 – (92:5.6) Many races have conceived of their leaders as being born of virgins; their careers are liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes, and their return is always expected by their respective groups. In central Asia the tribesmen still look for the return of Genghis Khan; in Tibet, China, and India it is Buddha; in Islam it is Mohammed; among the Amerinds it was Hesunanin Onamonalonton; with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.
No Muslim thinks Muhammad was born of a virgin nor his return. In Islam it is believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and is returning. So that information is totally wrong.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2013,10:59) Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,10:53) Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Huge problem with UB and that is it has incorrect information in it such as:1 – (92:5.6) Many races have conceived of their leaders as being born of virgins; their careers are liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes, and their return is always expected by their respective groups. In central Asia the tribesmen still look for the return of Genghis Khan; in Tibet, China, and India it is Buddha; in Islam it is Mohammed; among the Amerinds it was Hesunanin Onamonalonton; with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.
No Muslim thinks Muhammad was born of a virgin nor his return. In Islam it is believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and is returning. So that information is totally wrong.
The context of that paragraph is about the being “liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes” . It does not specifically say Mohamed was born from a virgin or return like Jesus, just that they were associated with such miricles.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,10:53) Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Lol, so vaticAn city made themselves foreign to there own nation, an put foreign popes on to charge tax!Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,11:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2013,10:59) Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,10:53) Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Huge problem with UB and that is it has incorrect information in it such as:1 – (92:5.6) Many races have conceived of their leaders as being born of virgins; their careers are liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes, and their return is always expected by their respective groups. In central Asia the tribesmen still look for the return of Genghis Khan; in Tibet, China, and India it is Buddha; in Islam it is Mohammed; among the Amerinds it was Hesunanin Onamonalonton; with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.
No Muslim thinks Muhammad was born of a virgin nor his return. In Islam it is believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and is returning. So that information is totally wrong.
The context of that paragraph is about the being “liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes” . It does not specifically say Mohamed was born from a virgin or return like Jesus, just that they were associated with such miricles.Colter
That's why Jesus is born of god an Jewish blood!
The truth would fail the law!
Yet his father Solomon took for own wives, an the evidence of the fight is in scripture, the genealogy try to change direct line, one to David an the other skipping an returning to Adam, This is to avoid the revlation of second man, that service the first man in judgement! It's all screwed up now! The stronghold is which statie will rule, sacrifice an offering. Or David's statues harken an just hear, grace, your soul will live without killing an sin offering! God is full of offerings, an needs a right heart not a ritualThe Romans liked Moses, his laws helped them kill Jews for sinning, for some reason two separate nations isreal an Judah were pushed together to observe only one law of statues, an that was Moses, not David's, the bloodlines were meant to be sincere to their houses, but it flew into a personal state of mind, the Romans an Hebrews even entered the revolution! After talked to woman at wells in against law?
The problem seems to be, deep down people are controlled by religious instruction an eternal doom, half of them wants the freedom, an the other terrified by going against the god nature they have been waxed strong by.
The Romans could see human hopelessness to overcome religious belief, an they went fast to destroy Jesus, who was in programming Moses house an setting mind an heart free by his fathers heart, King David whom conquered Moses six commandment being turned an used by government to kill whom it could!The government is well aware that people are obsessed by of planet justice an judgement centre, all due to the Vatican help, they have a hopeless hearted enemy that has little strength to stand up an change the direction of earth.
The roots are, the system is enjoyable at the top, where Jesus was conquered by the famous Roman Empire!
King David was conquered until the god of Jesus is seen to be in his house! If it can an is the truth!Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,11:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2013,10:59) Quote (Colter @ April 27 2013,10:53) Quote (Mary @ April 27 2013,08:53) Lol, my spell check seems to be changing things into Dutch French
I just have to ask, where did the Jews get all that gold? Could it have been the result of charging high interest rates on gentile foreigners but not fellow Jews?19 ” You shall not charge interest to your brother — interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 “To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)Colter
Huge problem with UB and that is it has incorrect information in it such as:1 – (92:5.6) Many races have conceived of their leaders as being born of virgins; their careers are liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes, and their return is always expected by their respective groups. In central Asia the tribesmen still look for the return of Genghis Khan; in Tibet, China, and India it is Buddha; in Islam it is Mohammed; among the Amerinds it was Hesunanin Onamonalonton; with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.
No Muslim thinks Muhammad was born of a virgin nor his return. In Islam it is believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and is returning. So that information is totally wrong.
The context of that paragraph is about the being “liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes” . It does not specifically say Mohamed was born from a virgin or return like Jesus, just that they were associated with such miricles.Colter
Not only does the paragraph say that, even if you were correct in your judgement of the context the paragraph would still be wrong because the Quran does not record any miracles of Muhammad nor does it claim that he is more than man.
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