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As to what you believe exactly Mary was impregnated with I have no idea Ed J.
That’s a lie
Please in the future desist from saying I have no idea…
because you do: I have told you at least 20 times now… “the spirit of Christ”
The bread from heaven: Christ – was born in the house of bread: Bethlehem (ref Micah 5:2)
“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith…
…a body hast thou prepared me” (Heb 10:5)______________
God bless
Ed JHi All
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Edj was right when he said: The thing about a decieved person is they truly do not believe they are decieved. God bless
Hi All
Why I don’t belive that Jesus Christ had any DNA from any human.
Please take the time to read this teaching by Ernest Martin.
Imputation: The Prime Doctrine of the Bible
In all sections of the Bible it is the prime doctrine around which all teachings involving salvation find their meaning. The doctrine of Imputation is well known in the Old Testament. The use of animal sacrifices in the forgiveness of sins, or offering them in praise and thanksgiving to God, is a cardinal example of Imputation. In the sacrificial system of ancient Israel, the animal being sacrificed took the place of the human offerer in matters dealing with sin and/or praise to God.In the New Testament the doctrine has even more significance because Christ Jesus takes the place of mankind in paying the penalty for sins, as well as showing His obedience and praise to God. With Christ taking the place of mankind in matters dealing with sin and praise, we have the greatest example of Imputation in action. Bible Imputation is the bedrock of Christian doctrine that defines the substitutionary role of Christ as our sin-bearer. The legal basis of salvation rests upon it.
There are three major usages of Imputation in the New Testament. All are similar in intent, but are distinct as to function. The first usage is familiar to all Christians; the second is recognized by most; while the third is rarely understood. But the first and third usages are of vital importance in knowing what the Christian’s present legal standing is with God. Let us begin our study with that part of Imputation best understood by most Christians.
The Imputation of Sins to Christ
When Christ died on the tree of crucifixion, He was performing something for others. The sins of the whole world were imputed to Him and He died on the tree of crucifixion in the place of mankind.“For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead.”2 Corinthians 5:14
“Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.”1 Corinthians 15:3
“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.”Romans 5:6
Or, to put it another way, God the Father“made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin.”2 Corinthians 5:21
Christ became the bearer of our sins (they were imputed to Him) while we can now be reckoned as “sinless” in a legal sense because of Christ’s substitutionary role for us.The Imputation of Adam’s Sin to His Posterity
This brings us to an important aspect of the doctrine of Imputation. Not only does God the Father impute our sins (all our sins and those of the world) to the person of Christ, the Father also imputes the sins that Adam (our first parent) committed — to each of us who are Adam’s descendants.The apostle Paul gave a very basic teaching regarding the sins of Adam, our first parent. Paul said, “By one man sin entered into the world” (Romans 5:12). The penalty for that sin was death (Romans 6:23). “And so death passed upon all men” (Romans 5:12).
Though it is evident that all of Adam’s posterity have committed their own personal sins, Paul attached great legal significance to the sin which Adam himself committed. Paul shows that Adam’s sin relates to all his descendants. Every human who descends from Adam has the sin of Adam imputed to him or her. This included Joseph and Mary (the legal parents of Jesus) who were both children of Adam. From Paul’s point of view (as we will see) this made both of them sinners and this would have included all children born from them.
As we will see, the ovum that was impregnated in Mary through spiritual engenderment was itself of spiritual origin. That heavenly ovum was placed in Mary’s womb and then it was conceived through non-human means. This fact, as we will see, made Mary a surrogate mother of Jesus and not His actual “flesh and blood” mother that descended from the first Adam. I will have more to say on this later.
This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve, but came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven. Christ was another Adam — the second or last Adam that the apostle Paul talked about in First Corinthians chapter 15. And though Christ was “made flesh” (a human as we are), He was not descended from our earthly father, Adam. Mary was simply a surrogate mother who supplied the physical nutriments within her womb to develop the “last Adam.” Had this not been the case, then Christ would have to be reckoned a sinner (with Adam’s sin imputed to Him) like all of us are. Christ did not inherit the sin of Adam from Joseph and Mary because Joseph and Mary were not His actual parents. Christ was created a fleshly being directly from God the Father in heaven.
Note how the apostle Paul makes a major point concerning Adam and his sin being passed on (in a legal sense) to all his children. Sin started out by Adam committing a single transgression. This made him a sinner and subject to death. But Paul does not leave the death penalty on Adam alone. Adam’s offense resulted in the death of many. Paul said: “Through the offense of one, many be dead.” It was not the personal offenses of men that result in their deaths, but the offense of the one person, Adam, that “the many be dead” (Romans 5:15). Paul made a legal case out of Adam’s offence. He imputes judgment for Adam’s sinful act to all men who came after him.
“By the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation.”
Romans 5:18
As clear as Paul can make it, he said that through the guilt of Adam we all partake in a judgment to condemnation, the judgment of death.“By one man’s [Adam’s] offence death reigned by one.”
Romans 5:17
The judgment of death because of Adam’s sin was imputed to the entire human race.“For as by one man’s disobedience [Adam’s sin] many were made sinners.”
Romans 5:19
It was not their own disobedience that made the many to be reckoned as sinners. Paul said it was Adam’s sin.In the Greek, Paul spoke of “the many” (verses 15 and 19). The definite article “the” is there. This term is parallel with “all men” in verse 18. In that verse “all men” was used by Paul because the condemnation of Adam did in fact come upon all men — including Christ — for He was condemned to die (Matthew 20:18). Paul made a distinction, however, when he finally mentioned “the many.” Had he said “all men” were reckoned sinners, that would have legally included Christ as a sinner. Christ certainly inherited a “condemnation” as other humans that resulted in His death, but He did not inherit “sin,” or else He could not have been the sinless Son of God.
Christ’s actual father was God the Father and no sin can be attributed to Him. Thus, Paul said only “the many” were reckoned sinners. He manifestly left out Christ from “the many.” The rest of mankind who have Adam as their literal father (as you and I) are reckoned sinners by Adam’s disobedience (Romans 5:19). 2
This teaching of Paul in Romans satisfactorily explains all important matters relating to the subject of sin and death. Suppose we humans never sinned a day in our lives. Paul shows we would still be classified as sinners.
Take a newborn baby as an example. When immediately born into the world, it could hardly be said to have been a participant in sin; but even David said, “In sin did my mother conceive me” (Psalm 51:5). David was not saying his conception was a result of an adulterous union. Not at all. David simply meant he was conceived as a fleshly human being. And what is the spiritual condition of human flesh? Paul spoke of it as “sinful flesh” (Romans 8:3). He shows that they who “are in the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:8) because in flesh “dwells no good thing” (Romans 7:18).
Even though babies just born into the world (or for several months thereafter) have not committed any actual sins of themselves, they still reap the consequences of sin. But whose sin? Their own? No, for it is obvious they have not consciously transgressed any law (Romans 5:13–14). The judgment of death has been imputed to the generality of the race because of Adam’s sin — this means all humans no matter the age they are. Adam’s sin is imputed to them.
To put it plainly, Paul taught that all of us are sinful (initially) because we inherited sinful flesh from our first father, Adam. This unmerited sinful nature may be, from mankind’s way of looking at it, an unfair placement of sin on all of us humans, but it is still God’s divine pronouncement of His will to have done so. We can do nothing but acquiesce to His assessment and to the reality of the indwelling sin intractably placed within our fleshly bodies by God. However, let us not be harsh in our judgment of this unmerited and unfair placement of sin within us by God because the Father (at the same time He told Paul of it) stated He will soon rescue us from this predicament without any efforts by us. God determined that Christ’s bearing of our sins will include even the inherited sin we have in our flesh because of the misdeeds of our first parent.
Though Paul said we all became sinners through Adam’s sin, is our personal character tarnished by this Imputation? To answer this, let us recall the example of Christ in relation to our sins being imputed to Him. When the sins of the world were placed on the head of Christ, He became, in a legal sense, the greatest sinner the world has ever seen. Still, Christ’s righteous character was not tainted in any way by the experience of bearing the sins of mankind. Christ was as sinless as any lamb was sinless when a human’s sins were confessed over it just before its sacrifice. The doctrine of Imputation shows that Christ bore all the sins of the world only in a legal sense.
Likewise, sin imputed to us from Adam does not blemish our actual character (we mar our characters when we personally participate in sin). After all, a newborn baby could have no actual sin of its own. Still, Paul said any human (even a baby) is accounted as being sinful flesh (Romans 8:3). We all need to be “saved” from it. All newborn babies receive their sinful flesh from Adam. This is what Paul meant when he said Adam’s transgression has been imputed to the whole of the human race.
We are all, legally, reckoned as sinners no matter if we never sinned a day in our lives. This is because we are constituted as “sinful flesh.” This is clearly an unfair and unjust placement of sin on us, done without our permission when we were in a helpless state and unable to do anything about this unwelcome assessment by God.
This is especially unfair and unjust if we are to be punished for this assessment by God when we did nothing of ourselves to deserve it. This is so plainly evident in any court of law (or in any logical judgment), that the whole procedure can be justified only by God granting a full release from the unwelcome sins that God placed within us; by God thoroughly and completely taking away from us this unasked-for sinfulness we each inherit.
God the Father has done that very thing, by placing that inherited sin from Adam — as well as every other sin that you and I have deliberately done as adults — on the back of His Son Christ Jesus. Though we did not ask to have it placed in us, that sinful nature inherited from Adam was placed in our flesh by God’s act of GRACE. This is also a positive side to GRACE. God also saves each of us INTO His family (without asking us and simply by His act of GRACE) by having His Son bear all our sins and be punished for them in our place — as our substitute.
If one looks closely at the biblical teaching, it is seen that the bearing of the world’s sins by Christ Jesus was something accomplished in Him from His birth — from the time He began to grow as a tender plant and as a shoot out of the dry ground (Isaiah 53:2). 3
Christ’s Conception
One point must be understood about the conception of Christ. When the Father caused His conception to occur in the womb of Mary (John 1:14), it was not Mary’s physical ovum that was engendered to cause Christ to become “flesh.” 4 Christ became the seed of Mary (the woman of prophecy) by means of a heavenly-created ovum placed in Mary’s womb, which was then impregnated by the Spirit. Everything about Christ’s conception was spiritual and had nothing to do with the uniting of a human sperm with a human ovum.The ovum impregnated by the Spirit was not from Mary’s ovum. Mary was actually a surrogate mother to Christ Jesus and neither her ovum nor Joseph’s sperm created Him. The fetus that grew in Mary’s womb was NOT a descendant of Adam and Eve (it would have inherited sin), but from a sinless God in heaven.
Likewise, that fetus of Jesus was sinless, as God in heaven is sinless. The fetus of itself was NOT YET Christ Jesus bearing the sins of the world because that fetus did NOT have sins on it. But as soon as that fetus became a living human being at its birth, a “living soul” breathing air into its lungs, that baby then had all the sins of the world placed on His back.
This means that Christ did not inherit any of Adam’s sins, but He came directly from heaven; the sperm and ovum that created Christ were heavenly in origin, not from Adam or Eve or Joseph or Mary. True, as surrogate parents, Christ was legally Joseph’s and Mary’s son (as far as the world was concerned and as far as prophetic matters require), but His origin was totally heavenly. He came from heaven where He had been for the previous eons reigning with the Father (Philippians 2:6–11). The fact that Christ was considered Joseph’s and Mary’s child (or being David’s progeny) was a legal recognition by God. However, even God’s legal acceptance is a true recognition of Christ’s descent from David.
Christ’s Genealogy
In fact, both genealogical tables of Christ given in the New Testament are those of Joseph, the husband of Mary. It is usually assumed, without proof, that Luke’s genealogy is that of Mary. In no way is this so.The New Testament states in clear terms that both genealogies are those of Joseph and that is how they should be accepted. But how can this be? Can Joseph have had two fathers? Yes, indeed. Since the genealogy given by Matthew was only a LEGAL genealogy, 5 it can be seen that this genealogy is maintained only by the rule of adoption — not by actual birth. The truth is, Salathiel of Matthew 1:12 was the adopted son of Jechonias. So likewise, Joseph must have been the adopted son of the Jacob mentioned in Matthew 1:16.
On the other hand, Luke’s genealogy is the actual physical descent of Joseph. In no way does Mary figure in either of the two genealogical lists. Mary is portrayed in the New Testament as having a Levitical blood line (even that from Aaron) because Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist (who was clearly a priest) was a kinsperson to Mary (Luke 1:36). In spite of this Levitical connection, Christ Jesus was reckoned legally to be from Judah (Hebrews 7:14) through His legal father Joseph. Of course, all these matters are legal ones. Nonetheless, God looks on them as extremely important and they represent spiritual factors in the salvation plan of God and cannot be taken lightly.
Let us now look once more at the birth of Christ that took place in Bethlehem. When that birth (not conception) occurred, He at that moment began to bear the sins of mankind. It was only for legal purposes that Christ was “made to be sin” for all mankind throughout His life. The culmination of His role as our legal sin-bearer was performed when He died on the tree of crucifixion. As it says in Isaiah 53,
Christ was sent to “bear their iniquities” (verse 11);
that “the chastisement of our peace was upon him” (verse 5); and
“the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all” (verse 6).
His role as sin-bearer lasted from His birth in Bethlehem to His death at Jerusalem. Christ was the one “who gave himself for our sins” (Galatians 1:4). Or, as Peter put it, Christ “bore our sins in his own body on the tree” (1 Peter 2:24).All these scriptures exemplify the doctrine of Imputation. Just as the ancient Israelite took a goat, laid his hands on its head and transferred (or imputed) his sins to the goat, then killed it in place of himself, so Christ accepted on His head all the sins of the world and died for you, me and all. This is an essential doctrine of the New Testament and the foundational teaching of Christianity.
One thing, however, must be made clear. The placing of the world’s sins on the head of Christ was only a legal placement. Let me explain. Christ was of Himself born into this world sinless and lived a sinless life on earth (1 Peter 2:22). It has not been understood by many, but since Christ Jesus was indeed “God,” and He was the “Logos” (who was “God), it was impossible for Jesus to actually sin no matter what He did or did not do. This was true because God sets all rules and He can do what He pleases in heaven or earth without anyone calling Him to the bar of judgment.
Understand this point carefully: Jesus was reckoned sinless by the apostles not because of what He did or did not do in the flesh, but because of who He was! And because He was indeed “God in the flesh,” it was impossible for humans ever to reckon the slightest sin in Him. Of course, Christ was morally and ethically upright in all things He did, but His sinlessness must always be evaluated by who He was, NOT because of what He did or did not do!
Anthony……your version of the sacrifice of Jesus, is not what scripture says, Our scriptures say it was , “God”, who so loved the word that “He” gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not parish “.
You rendition goes like this, Jesus who was and is God, came down from heaven and gave his only begotten life for the sins of the world. You completely lose site of the fact the it was GOD, the Father, who offered up Jesus as “his sacrifice, for the Sins of the world. Jesus was the Lamb of GOD, HE was not his own Lamb.
It was out of GOD the Fathers love for his world, which he “alone” and by “himself” created, that “he ” offered up his “Lamb” , Jesus for t h e sins of the world. All God the Fathers doing.
Why do you people try so desperately to remove The Father from what he does and did, in his creation? Jesus was not doing “his” will by dying on the Cross or tree, he was doing the Will of his God and our God, his Father and our Father. Why can’t you people get theses thing straight? Is it not because you have allowed so much “religious” garbage in you minds?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi All
Why I don’t belive that Jesus Christ had any DNA from any human.
Please take the time to read this teaching by Ernest Martin.
Hi Anthony,
What is this verse talking about *IF* not Mary, Jesus’ mother…
“And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)Clearly Jesus WAS made from Mary’s DNA (Jesus is called “The son of David”)
____________
God bless
Ed JHi Edj
It would be impossible for Jesus Christ to have any DNA from any human. He wouldnt be able to die fo the sins of the world, and I mean the whole world not just part of the world. Jesus Christ took the form of a man and he was begotten by His Father. That what Scriptures speak of. He would have had been born in sin from Mary, the sin from Adam. Its just not possible.
It’s just doesn’t leave room for your own interpretation, im just telling you the only way that Jesus Christ could have made Atonement for us All.
Sin came from one man Adams not the second Adam that was a lame without blemish.
God bless.
God bless
Hi Gene
All you know is that Jesus Christ is just a man, Gene do you think He Jesus had SIN?
That’s really all you know Gene ( How to keep Jesus Christ just a man.)
God bless. think about
God bless
Hi Edj
You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)Let me ask do you think he did this with sin? He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.
God bless
Anthony……Jesus was “her seed”, or haven’t you ever read , “Eve was the mother of “all” living humans”. Look it up, if you need help I will look it up for you.
So it was indeed “her seed” that bruised the head of the Serpent after all. That also shows Jesus was mentioned in Scripture before Abraham was to. Just as he said “before Abraham I am”, not only mentioned , but in power and authority also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene
You said: Jesus was not doing “his” will by dying on the Cross or tree, he was doing the Will of his God and our God, his Father and our Father. Why can’t you people get theses thing straight?
Me: reality speaks for it’s. He, the Father and God was only Jesus Christ, He The Father and God for us was when we was drawn by the Father through His Only begotten Son, and excepted Him in our heart’s then and only then are we part of the family of God and He becomes our Fater and God. No sooner Gene.
It seems you have some of the simple things of God out of place.
God bless.
You said:
And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)Hi Edj
Let me ask do you think he did this with sin?
He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross
and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.God bless
Hi Anthony,
If you can get the connection that Jesus is “the of the woman” that bruised the serpents head, why
can’t you get the connection that the woman that Jesus was the seed of is his biological mother Mary?_______________
God bless
Ed J- Hi Edj
You said: can’t you get the connection that the woman that Jesus was the seed of is his biological mother Mary?
Me: because Edj it goes against a sim9 and plan truth the
Imputation: The Prime Doctrine of the Bible.
God bless
Anthony…….Why do you think presenting Jesus as a fellow human being is a put down to him? That shows your disdain for the human race. Jesus was the fulfillment of God the Fathers plan for “all human kind”, he was not a already “perfect” God/ Angel/ prepreexisting being of somekind, who decend down to this earth and continued to live his already existing perfect sinless life, as you supose.
He was a “ordinary human being”, as far as his flesh existence goes, he was a “prophesied” human being who came through the loins and the root and offpring of king David, just as he said he did. Was given the fullness of the Spirit of the Living God, after he was baptized by John at the Jordan River , and then lead out into the wilderness to be tested, then after that “sent” out into the world to preach the Kingdom of God, with great power and authority.
The true question is this, why do you people try so hard to make him appear different then his human brothers and sisters?, the true question here is, why do you people engage in Satan’s, “Doctrine of Seperation” . Trying alway to make Jesus always appear as different then we are? Is it because you can’t truly except that Jesus was a true second “ADAM” a human being that God the Father through his Holy Spirit created him into a perfect human being, which was God the Fathers plan from the beginning for all humanity in the first place.
Well did Jesus say ” many would come in his name, saying I am the Christ and “decieve” many”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Anthony……please tell us what part of this statement “JESUS SAID” you do not believe?
“this is eternal life , that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” true GOD, ” ,
Now tell us was Jesus talking about himself there, or was there a misprint, instead of the word “YOU” , it should have been “ME” , and does the word “ONLY” not mean “NO OTHER”.
Have you completely thrown this text out of yo u bible as you have you mind? Repent Anthony!.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
I’ll tell you the same thing i told Edj. Why Jesus Christ doesn’t have any DNA from any human. Gene because it goes against the simple and plain truth of Scriptures, about the Imputation: The Prime Doctrine of the Bible.
Does that help Gene?
Jesus Christ took the form of a man. His Father prepared a body.
God bless
To All
Jesus Christ came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven. Christ was another Adam — the second or last Adam that the apostle Paul talked about in First Corinthians chapter 15. And though Christ was “made flesh” (a human as we are), He was not descended from our earthly father, Adam.
God bless
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