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Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,13:52) Quote NOW PLEASE ANSWER Heb.12:9; OK? ED, THIS IS MY ANSWER. MAKE A NOTE OF IT. COPY IT DOWN. MARK THIS PAGE. I CAN'T KEEP SAYING THIS:
Ed, I don't think you understand that the word spirit is used in a great variety of ways in the Bible. All those different ways have commonalities, but they are different ways: wind, breath, spirit beings, holy spirit, etc.
The REST OF THE BIBLE shows us that “God's” holy spirit is something God possesses. Much like I possess a finger that I use to do what I want it to do, God too possesses HIS holy spirit, the spirit “of” God, “God's” holy spirit.
So:
“A” certainly doesn't fit, unless you are prone to think of your finger as “you.” I guess, in the same sense that your finger is “you,” the holy spirit is (“of”) God. (I inserted the “of” because that is how everyone else thinks of this,)
If you think your finger is “you” and not a “part of you,” then so be it. But no one else thinks like that. The EXPERIMENT I requested you to do WILL UNQUESTIONABLY PROVE THIS TO YOURSELF.
So, “A” doesn't fit, unless you think very oddly, and don't use normal speaking, that most people use.Does “B” make sense? NO.
If the holy spirit is the spirit “of” God, just like my finger is the finger “of” me, then it is surreal or bizarre to think that he is the father of something that is a part of himself. It's like saying that he is the father of his own strength, or the Father of his own power, or the Father of his own love. (I'm not saying the holy spirit is these things, but I'm using examples.)
“God IS love.” Love is a part of him. And in this scripture it even says he “is” love. Of course, it is something he manifests to the ultimate degree. But, would we ever say he is the Father of his own love? His love is a part of who he is. He is not the Father of something that is a part of him, any more than I am the Father of my own heart. It is a part of me.SO, B IS OUT AS WELL.
SO, what is the answer?
Is God the Father of his Finger? Ridiculous.
Is God his Finger? Ridiculous.When it says he is the Father of spirits, (as opposed to earthly fathers, who have earthly sons) isn't it referring to spirit creation, spirit beings, angels, the heavenly multitude?
It isn't referring to something that is a part of himself. And it isn't referring to himself, as though he were the father of himself.When we think of “spirits” (plural) we don't generally think of the holy spirit, as if there were many or as if it was part of a group of more spirits. When it says he is the Father of spirits, it is talking about “spirits,” the heavenly angels, whom he is Father of.
Hi David,Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Are you Not claiming that The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Certainly I have made the point that “A” and “B” are the ONLY two possibilities.If you suggest “C” is a possibility, then what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Do you still not understand my point? WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM OF “C”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,14:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,13:54)
Hi David,
He is also the owner of the human spirits that return to Him[Ecc12]
of course.
Hi David,You mean the electricity that animates us rather than our Spirit; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (barley @ Feb. 29 2012,22:32) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2010,20:51) Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: YHVH GOD is One!
“FATHER:The Word” known in us believers of “HolySpirit“!Luke 8:5…11 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side;
and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock;
and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold.
And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said,
Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others
in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God.Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(TheSeed “IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force,
to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.Psalm 29:10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD(HolySpirit) sitteth King for ever. (Rev.19:11-19)
Psalm 10:16 The LORD(HolySpirit) is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.MaL.2:10 Have we not all one father(HolySpirit)? hath not one God(HolySpirit) created us?
why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?1Cor.8:6 But to us there is but “one” “God,the Father”(HolySpirit), of whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(HolySpirit).
Eph.4:6 One God(HolySpirit) and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Above all: (AKJV Psalm 83:18)
Through all: (AKJV Gal.4:5-7)
In us all: (AKJV Eph.4:6)Eph.2:12-15 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;Luke 20:9-18 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard,
and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. And at the season he sent a servant
to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him,
and sent him away empty. And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully,
and sent him away empty. And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him
when they see him. But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir:
come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him.
What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen,
and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. And he beheld them, and said,
What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.Rev.16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.1Cor.1:17-23 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:
not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;The ONLY rule I want us all to follow is: ONLY one question per Post.
If we follow that rule will all learn a lot from each other; OK everybody?
When more than one question is asked: Invariably the question we want answered most, doesn't get addressed!God bless you ALL…
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
“Witnessing” (AKJV Joshua 22:34) to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
I have to wonder why people have a problem with referring to the one true God as the Holy Spirit. Of course, the reason being, that they have not been taught.
God is holy I Peter 1:16
“Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
God is spirit. John 4:24
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
God is holy spirit.
More precisely, God is the Holy Spirit.
God refers himself by many different names/titles.
God, Father, rock, high tower, shepherd, almighty, Lord, Lord that heals, Lord that sees, Lord our banner, buckler, exceeding great reward……..
I, for one, do not find it difficult to comprehend that with all those names/titles in the OT,
that God would choose to reveal another name/title in the NTLike say, the Holy Spiri
t?God has given to us of His spirit. I John 4:13
“Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.”
thus, spirit also refers to the gift of holy spirit which gives us the opportunity to become partakers of His divine nature. II Peter 1:3-4
“According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”Acts 11:16-17
“Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?”Just like Jesus Christ was partaker of His divine nature.
Jesus Christ showed us how to be partakers of His divine nature.
How? by taking God at his word.
barley
Hi Barley,The words “HolySpirit” is used “THREE” times in the Old Testament as well…
Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy “HolySpirit” from me.
Isaiah 63:10-11 But they rebelled, and vexed his “HolySpirit”: therefore he was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he
that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his “HolySpirit” within him?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,07:44) Quote (abe @ Mar. 01 2012,07:41) Hi all, Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 the earth was without form, and void; and darkness on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Was the Spirit of God created in the beginning?
Hi Abe.
No
God does not create Himself
Hi Nick,EXACTLY!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,14:27) Hi Ed,
Yes but if you regard your leaders as infallible?
Hi Nick,What would happen? …would you then get 'disfellowshipped' by the “JW” organization?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,14:39) Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,14:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,13:54)
Hi David,
He is also the owner of the human spirits that return to Him[Ecc12]
of course.
Hi David,You mean the electricity that animates us rather than our Spirit; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, do you think “electricity” animates us? That is wierd ed.Quote Ed, I have to wonder why people have a problem with referring to the one true God as the Holy Spirit. Of course, the reason being, that they have not been taught.
God is holy I Peter 1:16
“Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
God is spirit. John 4:24
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
God is holy spirit.
More precisely, God is the Holy Spirit.
Barely,
Isn't Jesus a spirit?
Isn't Jesus holy?
Aren't the angels spirits?
Are they holy?
By this logic there are many spirits that are holy, or holy spirits.
I, nor anyone here do not believe that God is not “holy” nor that he is a “spirit.”
But, the holy spirit is spoken of in a way that simply doesn't allow it to be God.
It's never worshiped.
It's never directly said to be God (unlike Jehovah who is directly said to be God 1000 times)
It's spoken of as something God possesses, NOT as something he is. (It is spoken of as God's finger, for example.)So, yes, God is holy. God is a spirit.
But God is not THE holy spirit that people usually refer to when they use that term.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,09:40) Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,11:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:28) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:15) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:21) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:44) Hi David,
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Are you Not claiming that The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Certainly I have made the point that “A” and “B” are the ONLY two possibilities.If you suggest “C” is a possibility, then what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Do you still not understand my point? WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM OF “C”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Jacket,Will you please address this post?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ARGUMENT:1. THE WAY PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE A PART OF OTHERS (THEY SPEAK AS IF THE PART OF THEM WAS THEM):
YOUR EXAMPLE:
“If a person is missing and the cops are are looking
for a dead body in a vacant lot near their house.If a cop sees a “finger” sticking up out of the dirt,
will they not shout I found him over here?”IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE SEE THAT THE FINGER, WHICH IS PART OF THE PERSON IS SPOKEN OF AS BEING THE PERSON. “I FOUND HIM,” WHEN THEY FOUND THE FINGER, WHICH OF COURSE REPRESENTS HIM.
2. IN SCRIPTURE, GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT IS REPEATEDLY SPOKEN OF IN A WAY THAT SHOWS IT IS “OF” HIM, A PART OF HIM…HIS FINGER FOR EXAMPLE.
Elbow, these are the two lines of evidence I have shown you many times. I'm not totally certain, but it seems you understand the first line of reasoning. I'm absolutely certain you use such types of phrases in every day language, since virtually everyone does.
(And Elbow, since you have said that your elbow IS you, it should not bother you that I call “you” this if this indeed is what “you” are. For me, my elbow is simply A PART OF me.)
david
Hi David,This post has NOTHING to do with my quote.
Will you please address my quote?
Why are you dodging it?You must keep Heb.12:9 and Acts5:3-4 as separate
issues to discuss; OK? You quoted Heb.12:9 here!DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE FOR “C” OR DO YOU ACCEPT “A”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If scripture (gods holy spirit being spoken of possessively 100 times) is NOT evidence, as you say, and if you do not understand common grade 4 English (the way you yourself speak about things that you possess) then apparently I have no evidence you will accept…other than the whole of scripture which speaks of the holy spirit in a way that doesn't allow for it to be “god.”But if you want to only focus on this scripture and we are not allowed to look at the whole of scripture and if you do not understand “of” or how it is “Gods” holy spirit, HIS finger, and if you really don't understand that people say things like “I kissed Ed” and “I kissed eds lips,” that it is plain that your lips stand for or represent you, as they are part of you, then there is no hope for you to understand this.
I have repeatedly asked for you to present an actual argument for your case. I haven't looked at the next couple pages, but can only imagine you have not done this. Why?
Hi David,So you suggest “C” then, with NO evidence;
VERY WEAK, VERY WEAK INDEED!
See my previous post.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, you have just admitted that you believe the 100 times that God's holy spirit is spoken of possessively is “NO evidence.”Ed, you dismiss the “whole of scripture,” in place of 2 scriptures that can definitely be understood more than one way.
Ed, you cannot and have not presented any sort of sound argument for this theory of yours, despite me asking you to several times. (and, doesn't it make sense that you should want to try to prove your idea)
Ed, i realize you are childishly now saying my evidence (massive amounts of scriptures) are “VERY WEAK” simply because I said that of your argument (which you have yet to actually attempt to provide.)
Ed, why don't you at least try to put together the evidence so that we can see it all?
Ed, is there no evidence?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,15:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,07:44) Quote (abe @ Mar. 01 2012,07:41) Hi all, Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 the earth was without form, and void; and darkness on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Was the Spirit of God created in the beginning?
Hi Abe.
No
God does not create Himself
Hi Nick,EXACTLY!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Exactly Ed.And so the holy spirit (which is spoken of as SOMETHING GOD POSSESSES about 100 times in scripture) isn't created because it is a part of God.
Hence, to answer your own question which you have asked repeatedly and which I have answered repeatedly, when it says: “Father of spirits” it certainly doesn't include the holy spirit, which is the finger of God.
As you agree, God did not create himself, nor a part of himself.
Quote Hi David, Here's another FACT for you to dismiss,
Like you dismiss Acts 5:3-4 in favor of
'the watchtower society's' teaching…Ed, your nonsensical Bible code, secret voo doo magic number thing, that no one understands has most likely lead you to this bogus, insulting, unbiblical, defamatory, false belief. Your Secret Bible code organization or prophets or priests or whatever have lead you astray. The information they are feeding you is false, and bizarre. And most on here think those particular ideas are false, and weird.
Ed, do you see what I just did there? I hate myself for it, but I no longer tolerate it when thinking people do it to me. Ad hominims do not help your case Ed. I am sorry for using them on you. But I want you to see how stupid they are, when you use them on me.
If you actually knew a little more about me, you would know just how dumb it is to use such things on me.The actual truth is, I never looked at the watchtower library once while discussing this with you. Why would I?
Ed, I don't mind it so much when people that don't know better do this. But with certain ones on here, it feels like when they are stuck or can't find an answer or don't know what to say, they just start calling names or attacking me subtly in ways that are in no way related to the discussion we are having. I no longer tolerate such foolishness Ed. I am not who I once was.
Dave
Quote Here's another FACT for you to dismiss,
Like you dismiss Acts 5:3-4 in favor of
'the watchtower society's' teaching…My finger contains my entire DNA code,
which is how I was made into a human.Ed, if I dismiss Acts 5, then you dismiss hundreds of scriptures so you can retain your understanding of Acts 5.
Quote (david @ Mar. 01 2012,15:29) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,14:39) Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,14:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,13:54)
Hi David,
He is also the owner of the human spirits that return to Him[Ecc12]
of course.
Hi David,You mean the electricity that animates us rather than our Spirit; right?
God bless
Ed J
Ed, do you think “electricity” animates us? That is wierd ed.
Hi David,Our spirit animates us; it is YOUR “JW” organization
that calls our spirit electricity of some sort, is it not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Mar. 01 2012,15:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:44) Hi David,
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Are you Not claiming that The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Certainly I have made the point that “A” and “B” are the ONLY two possibilities.If you suggest “C” is a possibility, then what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Do you still not understand my point? WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM OF “C”?God bless
Ed J
Ed, you have just admitted that you believe the 100 times that God's holy spirit is spoken of possessively is “NO evidence.”Ed, you dismiss the “whole of scripture,” in place of 2 scriptures that can definitely be understood more than one way.
Ed, you cannot and have not presented any sort of sound argument for this theory of yours, despite me asking you to several times. (and, doesn't it make sense that you should want to try to prove your idea)
Ed, i realize you are childishly now saying my evidence (massive amounts of scriptures) are “VERY WEAK” simply because I said that of your argument (which you have yet to actually attempt to provide.)
Ed, why don't you at least try to put together the evidence so that we can see it all?
Ed, is there no evidence?
David, (Page 160 third Post) Do you not read my posts? Or do you just ignore them? I possess my spirit, my spirit is me!(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit of God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Mar. 01 2012,15:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,15:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,07:44) Quote (abe @ Mar. 01 2012,07:41) Hi all, Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 the earth was without form, and void; and darkness on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Was the Spirit of God created in the beginning?
Hi Abe.
No
God does not create Himself
Hi Nick,EXACTLY!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Exactly Ed.And so the holy spirit (which is spoken of as SOMETHING GOD POSSESSES about 100 times in scripture) isn't created because it is a part of God.
Hence, to answer your own question which you have asked repeatedly and which I have answered repeatedly, when it says: “Father of spirits” it certainly doesn't include the holy spirit, which is the finger of God.
As you agree, God did not create himself, nor a part of himself.
David, I possess my spirit, my spirit is me!(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
“Spirit of God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Mar. 01 2012,15:50) Quote Hi David, Here's another FACT for you to dismiss,
Like you dismiss Acts 5:3-4 in favor of
'the watchtower society's' teaching…Ed, your nonsensical Bible code, secret voo doo magic number thing, that no one understands has most likely lead you to this bogus, insulting, unbiblical, defamatory, false belief. Your Secret Bible code organization or prophets or priests or whatever have lead you astray. The information they are feeding you is false, and bizarre. And most on here think those particular ideas are false, and weird.
Ed, do you see what I just did there? I hate myself for it, but I no longer tolerate it when thinking people do it to me. Ad hominims do not help your case Ed. I am sorry for using them on you. But I want you to see how stupid they are, when you use them on me.
If you actually knew a little more about me, you would know just how dumb it is to use such things on me.The actual truth is, I never looked at the watchtower library once while discussing this with you. Why would I?
Ed, I don't mind it so much when people that don't know better do this. But with certain ones on here, it feels like when they are stuck or can't find an answer or don't know what to say, they just start calling names or attacking me subtly in ways that are in no way related to the discussion we are having. I no longer tolerate such foolishness Ed. I am not who I once was.
Dave
Hi David,I guess you admit you're a hypocrite than, huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Mar. 01 2012,15:51) Quote Here's another FACT for you to dismiss,
Like you dismiss Acts 5:3-4 in favor of
'the watchtower society's' teaching…My finger contains my entire DNA code,
which is how I was made into a human.Ed, if I dismiss Acts 5, then you dismiss hundreds of scriptures so you can retain your understanding of Acts 5.
Hi David,“Spirit of God” is used ONLY 26 times; see my previous posts.
Are you dismissing THE FACTS of this post, like you dismiss Acts 5:3-4?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 29 2012,10:27) Quote (carmel @ Feb. 28 2012,12:46) Edj, These scriptures are proof that the Holy Spirit is God.
John 15:26 When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER, he will testify about meSO,IF HE GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER ,HE IS GOD.
Has not all of creation gone out from the Father?
What goes out from the Father is not the Father Himself, but something that goes out FROM Him.
Quote Has not all of creation gone out from the Father? What goes out from the Father is not the Father Himself, but something that goes out
Mike,
If I were you, I reflect a bit before posting.
You simply admitted a triune GOD.
Yes Mike, all creation gone out from God, as you said. But how??
Isn’t it through the emanation of His genuine, same spirit ,the word, in order to create all our creation, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and through that same creation the word became flesh, redeemed all our creation, through His death on the cross, and again through the Holy Spirit glorified both Him and the Father.
So through this most mysterious cycle the Spirit of God in the Son left the Father and returned to the Father as the embodiment of God. So as Jesus Himself said HE WAS IN THE FATHER, AND NOW THE FATHER IS IN HIM,FOR ETERNITY.
Again, after the ascending of Jesus to His Father, God, through Jesus request again started another cycle and sent OUT OF HIM the Spirit of truth into the world to abide in us, and to return to the Father in form of all believers’ souls regenerated to form also the embodiment of God like Jesus Christ.
John17:20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
So it is clear enough that what ever came out from God was also God and returned also to form one day the body of God, therefore God manifested in the body of Jesus and all His creatures.
So as we are created in the image and likeness of God, in spirit, soul, and body, we also on the last day would become the SPIRITS(FATHER),THE SOULS(HOLY SPIRIT) AND BODIES(JESUS)
A TRIUNE GOD MANIFESTED IN GOD’S KINGDOM OF THE WHOLE CREATION.
1Corinthians 6:13…………… Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
15: Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?………………….
17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit
19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, WHICH ARE GOD'S
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST
THE SUBSTANCE OF GOD FOR THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD.ALL IN HIM ALL WITH HIM ALL FOR HIM.
CHARLES
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