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T8, Noooooooooooo!
Now, Ed is going to possibly jump on what you are saying. Ahhhhhh. I really think I prefer one on one conversations.
Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:20) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:26)
ok, i see ed did comment on it here. (It's just with me he hasn't mentioned it.)But he never actually answered the question. He just asked it:
Ed, is your finger you? Or is it “of” you? (the finger of Ed)
Are you the same as your finger? Are you equal? Thoughts on this verse Ed?
Hi David,Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.
My fingers produce the actions for my spirit.God bless
Ed J
And is your finger “you”?Or, is it “of” you? (as in the finger “of” Ed)
Hi David,My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:23) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,08:54)
Hi David,Are you suggesting that besides YHVH being “Spirit”, he
also possesses a different “spirit” called the HolySpirit?God bless
Ed J
Yes!This is precisely what I am suggesting:
1. “god is (a) spirit…”
And:
2. God has something called his holy spirit. It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1
Hi David,I don't believe this is biblical,
I will start a new thread so we
can discuss this matter more fully. (Link to new thread)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:29) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,08:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:10) Ed, you are now forcing me to open my “spirit” file.
Hi David,Excellent! …you must be at least a district overseer in the “JW” organization then.
God bless
Ed J
Ed, what is a district oversear?
Hi David,Are you suggesting that you don't know the “JW” hierarchy?
Or are you playing dumb; do you seriously not really know?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,13:30) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:20) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:26)
ok, i see ed did comment on it here. (It's just with me he hasn't mentioned it.)But he never actually answered the question. He just asked it:
Ed, is your finger you? Or is it “of” you? (the finger of Ed)
Are you the same as your finger? Are you equal? Thoughts on this verse Ed?
Hi David,Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.
My fingers produce the actions for my spirit.God bless
Ed J
And is your finger “you”?Or, is it “of” you? (as in the finger “of” Ed)
Hi David,My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
Jesus gave us the finger analogy so lets explore it.
Your finger is you and of you but not the complete you.Your finger can touch and access and feel but does not see or smell or think or hear.
I am not saying God does not do all these things through His Spirit and he may well do more but He IS in heaven.
Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:37) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:12) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:38) Ed, I just looked through the first 10 pages of this thread. I am wondering if you ever tried to prove your case? Could you show us a list of SCRIPTURES that show what you claim? It would also be good if you could make a comment under each scripture showing why or how it supports your argument (because frankly, I sometimes have no idea why you post some of the scriptures you have been.)
Thanks.
Hi David,We can certainly go through all Scripture on this.
I'm still waiting for you to seriously comment on Heb.12:9.God bless
Ed J
I have repeatedly.You provided 2 options, but since you ignore many scriptures that speak of the spirit of god possessively, you fail to see the third option:
THAT GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS ESSENTIALLY A PART OF HIM, or something he possesses, much like my finger is a part of me and something I possess. Therefore, you missed an option, and if you will only be satisfied if I answer one of the two options provided, then you will never be satisfied–because you cannot see the other option, the option that AGREES with the whole of scripture.
It also agrees with common sense:
Ed, if I lost my mind and:
Kissed ED on EDS LIPS,
One person might say:
“he kissed Ed,“
And another might say:
“he kissed the LIPS OF ED.”
Meanwhile, you would say: “Its true that he kissed my lips and he kissed me, THEREFORE My lips are me!”
((this bizarre reasoning would be understandable given that I just kissed you. But after the shock wore off, you should be able to piece together that your lips are not you.))
David
Hi David,Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
So you say the answer is really “C”.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Stating YOUR 'opinion' over and over doesn't make it become true?
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM?
You do know that the burden of proof falls upon you, David?And NO, you may not kiss my Ed lips.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:45) “Hi David, Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.”
Yes, but:
Is your finger “You”?
.
YES!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2012,10:48) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,16:12) I'm still waiting for you to seriously comment on Heb.12:9. 
How many times must he comment on it before you address his comments? You can't just say, “that's your opinion”, and think you've made an actual rebuttal, Ed.
For one, it is not David's opinion, but what the whole of scripture teaches. Are you oblivious to the fact that scripture consistently speaks of the Holy Spirit OF God?
Doesn't that word “of” signify a possession?
Hi Mike,(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit OF God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2012,11:10) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 20 2010,14:22) ED J………Sounds good to me , i will try harder to do that. I am Glad you see GOD consists of SEVEN SPIRITS These are the eyes (intellects) these Each are aspects of (ONE) GOD. I tried to explain it before like One GUN having seven Bullets, each with Power of It's Own. but it all is only (ONE GUN) and GOD is ONE GOD composing of all Seven Spirits. And you are right sometimes i do have trouble putting into clear word what i am trying to say. You seem to have a far better ability to do that then i do. I do have a question though, it's about the Holy Spirit, as representing Gods complete Spirits, or the fullness of GOD, To me the HOLY SPIRIT or set-aside SPIRIT is (ONE) of GOD'S Seven Spirits (the Spirit or INTELLECT of (TRUTH) giving us the ability to recognize truth when we hear it, and judges our thoughts ( “for the spirit both accuses us and defends us') Which is the (EARNEST) given to us from GOD the FATHER. What is you understanding on this?
peace and ;ove to you and yours………………gene
Ephesians 4:3-6
3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.The Spirit is called THE Spirit.
If you have THE GOD, then we understand that there are not 7 Gods. So it is with THE Spirit.
The confusion may be that the Father is the Father of spirits.
Angels are spirits and the Father is the Father of our spirits too.The seven spirits OF God are not necessarily God, just as the son of God is not God either.
Revelation 1:4
John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,
The seven spirits are before the throne, not seated on the throne.Revelation 3:1
“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
Who holds the seven spirits of God? Is that person holding God?Revelation 4:5
From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.
Is God really these seven lamps in front of the throne, or is he seated on that throne?Revelation 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Hi T8,Excellent points!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:13) T8, Noooooooooooo! Now, Ed is going to possibly jump on what you are saying. Ahhhhhh. I really think I prefer one on one conversations.
Hi David,How can you honestly say that you can have a “one on one” conversation here,
when you can 'football huddle' with others of YOUR “JW” organization on any point?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,14:03) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,13:30) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:20) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:26)
ok, i see ed did comment on it here. (It's just with me he hasn't mentioned it.)But he never actually answered the question. He just asked it:
Ed, is your finger you? Or is it “of” you? (the finger of Ed)
Are you the same as your finger? Are you equal? Thoughts on this verse Ed?
Hi David,Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.
My fingers produce the actions for my spirit.God bless
Ed J
And is your finger “you”?Or, is it “of” you? (as in the finger “of” Ed)
Hi David,My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
Jesus gave us the finger analogy so lets explore it.
Your finger is you and of you but not the complete you.Your finger can touch and access and feel but does not see or smell or think or hear.
I am not saying God does not do all these things through His Spirit and he may well do more but He IS in heaven.
Hi Nick,1 Cor 12:12-26 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members
of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we
all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow
more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,13:30) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:20) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:26)
ok, i see ed did comment on it here. (It's just with me he hasn't mentioned it.)But he never actually answered the question. He just asked it:
Ed, is your finger you? Or is it “of” you? (the finger of Ed)
Are you the same as your finger? Are you equal? Thoughts on this verse Ed?
Hi David,Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.
My fingers produce the actions for my spirit.God bless
Ed J
And is your finger “you”?Or, is it “of” you? (as in the finger “of” Ed)
Hi David,My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Elbow, you are wrong.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,13:45) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:23) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,08:54)
Hi David,Are you suggesting that besides YHVH being “Spirit”, he
also possesses a different “spirit” called the HolySpirit?God bless
Ed J
Yes!This is precisely what I am suggesting:
1. “god is (a) spirit…”
And:
2. God has something called his holy spirit. It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1
Hi David,I don't believe this is biblical,
I will start a new thread so we
can discuss this matter more fully. (Link to new thread)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Elbow, it's bizarre that you would think this isn't biblical. # 1 is a direct quote that you yourself have quoted.#2 has 100 instances where gods holy spirit is spoken of possessively.
(as in the “spirit of god”)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,14:34) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:13) T8, Noooooooooooo! Now, Ed is going to possibly jump on what you are saying. Ahhhhhh. I really think I prefer one on one conversations.
Hi David,How can you honestly say that you can have a “one on one” conversation here,
when you can 'football huddle' with others of YOUR “JW” organization on any point?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you seriously think I do that Ed?I have never done that on here.
Further, as I have pointed out to you, I don't really ever quote watchtowers unless someone specifically asks me for what jw believe.
90% of what I say comes from my memory and thinking. Sometimes I fall back to files I have created because I've had most of these conversations before.
David
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:12) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:38) Ed, I just looked through the first 10 pages of this thread. I am wondering if you ever tried to prove your case? Could you show us a list of SCRIPTURES that show what you claim? It would also be good if you could make a comment under each scripture showing why or how it supports your argument (because frankly, I sometimes have no idea why you post some of the scriptures you have been.)
Thanks.
Hi David,We can certainly go through all Scripture on this.
I'm still waiting for you to seriously comment on Heb.12:9.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I state my response 3 times and you act like I haven't.Then, I restate it and you say:
“Stating YOUR 'opinion' over and over doesn't make it become true?
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM?
You do know that the burden of proof falls upon you, David?”What claim? That it is the spirit “of” God, and not God himself?
My evidence is The 100 scriptures that speak of the holy spirit possessively.As for the burden of proof, this is YOUR thread and YOU are claiming that the holy spirit is God. I did not make this claim. YOU did. Trying to fallaciously shift the burden will not be allowed.
A couple pages back I pointed out that you never actually tried to make a case for this. I asked you to. It's so bizarre to me that you want others to believe this, but you make very little attempt to prove it.
And saying that your elbow IS you, is just wrong.
It's like saying that a button is a jacket.
We all know why you have to make this ridiculous claim. What choice do you have? Make this absurd claim or abandon this belief of yours. You know, in the psychological ash experiment, people actually convince themselves that something they know is wrong, is right. In that instance, it's partly because of pride and not wanting to look like you don't know what you are talking about.
I just want to get this on the record, as I will most likely refer back to it:
“My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.”–Ed
Eds elbow, if you are reading this, I would like you to give Ed a message for me…
What am I saying? Elbow, you are Ed! So, no need to give this message to Ed, elbow.
Elbow, I do wonder how you are reading this?
Ed / Elbow, if I stepped on your toe, would both of you, or the one of you notice? WAIT! elbow, you don't have a toe. How can I step on your toe, elbow?
Make believe is fun. I do understand the fascination with it.
“My button is me, my zipper is me, my tag that says made in NZ is me”–jacket.
Ed, is this jacket crazy, or sane? Those are the only 2 options I am giving you. Crazy or sane? And if you don't answer with one of the two options I gave you, I will most likely ignore your responses and keep asking the question. (I am making a point about only giving someone 2 options when there are others)
Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,17:24) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,09:12) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,08:38) Ed, I just looked through the first 10 pages of this thread. I am wondering if you ever tried to prove your case? Could you show us a list of SCRIPTURES that show what you claim? It would also be good if you could make a comment under each scripture showing why or how it supports your argument (because frankly, I sometimes have no idea why you post some of the scriptures you have been.)
Thanks.
Hi David,We can certainly go through all Scripture on this.
I'm still waiting for you to seriously comment on Heb.12:9.God bless
Ed J
I state my response 3 times and you act like I haven't.Then, I restate it and you say:
“Stating YOUR 'opinion' over and over doesn't make it become true?
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM?
You do know that the burden of proof falls upon you, David?”What claim? That it is the spirit “of” God, and not God himself?
My evidence is The 100 scriptures that speak of the holy spirit possessively.As for the burden of proof, this is YOUR thread and YOU are claiming that the holy spirit is God. I did not make this claim. YOU did. Trying to fallaciously shift the burden will not be allowed.
A couple pages back I pointed out that you never actually tried to make a case for this. I asked you to. It's so bizarre to me that you want others to believe this, but you make very little attempt to prove it.
Hi David,Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Are you Not claiming that The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Certainly I have made the point that “A” and “B” are the ONLY two possibilities.If you suggest “C” is a possibility, then what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Do you still not understand my point? WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM OF “C”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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