The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:27) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2012,07:25) Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2012,12:55) By definition and common understanding of words, the spirit “of” God is not God himself. Oh, how many times I have SCREAMED this at Ed and others here.   Can you people not even understand the simple word “OF”?   If Jesus is Son, Christ, Lamb, Servant, etc OF God, then he is not the God he is those things OF. If God's Spirit is OF God, then it is not the God it is OF. I really don't think they can mike.   It's a word we use so often. Yet in this one instance, somehow it doesn't mean what it usually means.  How convenient. Hi David, Is the soul of David not David? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Yes, but saying the soul of David is like saying the person of David. '8 souls' were on the ark.  8 people.   Of course davids soul is David.  But davids finger is not David, bit rather “of” David. And gods finger (his holy spirit) is not god.   Rather, it is the holy spirit “of” God, the finger or arm of God.

Hi David,

And is David's spirit David as well?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57)

Of course the father of spirits is God.  And?

Hi David,

Are you suggesting that God is the father of his HolySpirit?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:52)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself. Hi David, Are you suggesting that God's spirit was not who was in Jesus? Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Obviously, the bible says “god is a spirit and those worshipping him…”

But, god BEING a spirit is not to be confused with something he possesses, something that is often spoken of as something he possesses, HIS holy spirit, the spirit “of God.

God IS a spirit.
But he also HAS HIS holy spirit, which is what he uses to accomplish his will.

It's always confusing when words are used in more than one way. And the word spirit is used in a number of ways in the bible.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Hi David, I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion. But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots. God bless Ed J Oh, I see.  So, you acknowledge that there is no actual good proof, but that you must connect a number of dots? I must say, the dots you want me to connect are no where near the idea that gods finger is god himself. Doesn't it seem odd that something SO important as who/what the holy spirit is, and whether or not it's GOD himself is only hinted at or that a number of dots ate needed?

Hi David,

The Scripture is pretty clear to me.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:04)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Of course the father of spirits is God.  And? Hi David, Are you suggesting that God is the father of his HolySpirit? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, I am suggesting that god is the father of spirits.

The sons of god in the heavens, angels, I understand them as being spirits.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:52) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself. Hi David, Are you suggesting that God's spirit was not who was in Jesus? Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Obviously, the bible says “god is a spirit and those worshipping him…” But, god BEING a spirit is not to be confused with something he possesses, something that is often spoken of as something he possesses, HIS holy spirit, the spirit “of God. God IS a spirit. But he also HAS HIS holy spirit, which is what he uses to accomplish his will. It's always confusing when words are used in more than one way.  And the word spirit is used in a number of ways in the bible.

Hi David,

Are you suggesting that God has 'two' spirits?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:07)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Hi David, I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion. But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots. God bless Ed J Oh, I see.  So, you acknowledge that there is no actual good proof, but that you must connect a number of dots? I must say, the dots you want me to connect are no where near the idea that gods finger is god himself. Doesn't it seem odd that something SO important as who/what the holy spirit is, and whether or not it's GOD himself is only hinted at or that a number of dots ate needed? Hi David, The Scripture is pretty clear to me. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Well let's look at it a little more. Which scripture specifically is the one you think is pretty clear about the holy spirit being God?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:05) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:52) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself. Hi David, Are you suggesting that God's spirit was not who was in Jesus? Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Obviously, the bible says “god is a spirit and those worshipping him…” But, god BEING a spirit is not to be confused with something he possesses, something that is often spoken of as something he possesses, HIS holy spirit, the spirit “of God. God IS a spirit. But he also HAS HIS holy spirit, which is what he uses to accomplish his will. It's always confusing when words are used in more than one way.  And the word spirit is used in a number of ways in the bible. Hi David, Are you suggesting that God has 'two' spirits? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I'm not going to respond to this. Read it again. Clearly I didn't suggest that.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Of course the father of spirits is God.  And? Hi David, Are you suggesting that God is the father of his HolySpirit? God bless Ed J No, I am suggesting that god is the father of spirits. The sons of god in the heavens, angels, I understand them as being spirits.

Hi David,

Are you suggesting that the HolySpirit is not included in Heb.12:9?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:07) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Hi David, I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion. But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots. God bless Ed J Oh, I see.  So, you acknowledge that there is no actual good proof, but that you must connect a number of dots? I must say, the dots you want me to connect are no where near the idea that gods finger is god himself. Doesn't it seem odd that something SO important as who/what the holy spirit is, and whether or not it's GOD himself is only hinted at or that a number of dots ate needed? Hi David, The Scripture is pretty clear to me. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Well let's look at it a little more.  Which scripture specifically is the one you think is pretty clear about the holy spirit being God?

Hi David,

Many, but you seem to reject them all?
I have been posting them to you, but you claim
that I have been posting only random verses?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:11)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:04) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Of course the father of spirits is God.  And? Hi David, Are you suggesting that God is the father of his HolySpirit? God bless Ed J No, I am suggesting that god is the father of spirits. The sons of god in the heavens, angels, I understand them as being spirits. Hi David, Are you suggesting that the HolySpirit is not included in Heb.12:9? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit. It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.

Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:13)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:07) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57) Hi David, I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion. But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots. God bless Ed J Oh, I see.  So, you acknowledge that there is no actual good proof, but that you must connect a number of dots? I must say, the dots you want me to connect are no where near the idea that gods finger is god himself. Doesn't it seem odd that something SO important as who/what the holy spirit is, and whether or not it's GOD himself is only hinted at or that a number of dots ate needed? Hi David, The Scripture is pretty clear to me. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Well let's look at it a little more.  Which scripture specifically is the one you think is pretty clear about the holy spirit being God? Hi David, Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

You said “THE SCRIPTURE” so why don't we discuss the one scripture you were referring to. Which one as it?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08) Hi David, Are you suggesting that God has 'two' spirits? God bless Ed J I'm not going to respond to this.  Read it again. Clearly I didn't suggest that.

Hi David,

Then you agree that the father of spirits is God's HolySpirit, right?   …if not, why not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

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Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim

Where oh where did I reject any of these scriptures?

I CONTINUALLY asked you to show where a single one of them in any way reasonable proved that the holy spirit is God. Other than quoting the scriptures, which at first seemed like you were picking random scriptures from a hat, you haven't really explained where or how any of them support your belief.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:16)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:10) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08) Hi David, Are you suggesting that God has 'two' spirits? God bless Ed J I'm not going to respond to this.  Read it again. Clearly I didn't suggest that. Hi David, Then you agree that the father of spirits is God's HolySpirit, right?   …if not, why not? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What? Did you even read my post? No. I didn't say that.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14)

When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here.

Hi David,

It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded
from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

What I said was:

But, god BEING a spirit is not to be confused with something he possesses, something that is often spoken of as something he possesses, HIS holy spirit, the spirit “of God.

God IS a spirit. But he also HAS HIS holy spirit, which is what he uses to accomplish his will.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:13) Hi David, Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? God bless Ed J You said “THE SCRIPTURE” so why don't we discuss the one scripture you were referring to.  Which one as it?

Hi David,

The Scripture as a whole.
I have been posting many verses,
but you continually say “no”; is this not true?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:18)

Quote Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? Where oh where did I reject any of these scriptures? I CONTINUALLY asked you to show where a single one of them in any way reasonable proved that the holy spirit is God.  Other than quoting the scriptures, which at first seemed like you were picking random scriptures from a hat, you haven't really explained where or how any of them support your belief.

Hi David,

Are you not rejecting what these Scripture are saying?
Are you now also claiming that I have not been explaining them to you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:10) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:08) Hi David, Are you suggesting that God has 'two' spirits? God bless Ed J I'm not going to respond to this.  Read it again. Clearly I didn't suggest that. Hi David, Then you agree that the father of spirits is God's HolySpirit, right?   …if not, why not? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org What?  Did you even read my post?  No. I didn't say that.

Hi David,

This is NOT an answer to my question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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