The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,16:43)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,02:25)

By this one verse we know he “is a Spirit” who Travels, Guides, Speaks, Hears, Teaches, and lives in the Temples (the bodies) of every true believer all at the same time.

Hi WJ,

My question is based on (my agreement with) this “Bible Truth”!

You are not in agreement with the Bible truth because John 16:13 clearly is not the Father as you claim.

Does the Father have to hear before he can speak?

Does the Father not speak of himself?

February 2, 2011 at 12:32 am#235063

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,13:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26)

And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered.

Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed?

Is the Father of Jesus God? Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”?

mike

Hi Mike,

The mind of Ed is Ed.
The Spirit of Ed is Ed.
The finger of Ed is Ed.

The HolySpirit(God) is the Father of Jesus! (Matt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)
You are the one that has been saying the “HolySpirit” is part of God; have you forgotten?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Do you pick your nose with your spirit?

Georg

February 2, 2011 at 12:50 am#235066

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,09:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,16:43)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,02:25)

By this one verse we know he “is a Spirit” who Travels, Guides, Speaks, Hears, Teaches, and lives in the Temples (the bodies) of every true believer all at the same time.

Hi WJ,

My question is based on (my agreement with) this “Bible Truth”!

You are not in agreement with the Bible truth because John 16:13 clearly is not the Father as you claim.

Does the Father have to hear before he can speak?

Does the Father not speak of himself?

Hi WJ,

I will explain using human logic.
Do you believe “The Father” is in you?
Do you speak things that you have not heard?
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but
whatsoever he shall hear, shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Isaiah 48:1-81 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel,
and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD,
and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. For they
call themselves of the HolyCity(117), and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD
of hosts is his name. I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went
forth out of my mouth, and I showed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I showed it thee:
lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image,
hath commanded them. Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have showed thee
new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now,
and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say,
Behold, I knew them. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was
not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

YHVH=63 and “will be”=63

When Moses Asked Him His name, he said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
“I will be what I will be” or “I will be that I will be“

Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.

Hō Lōgôs 86th Prime=[ο λογος] is [בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי] “Ĕl Shăddīâ”=63 (John 1:1)

Rev.21:2-3 And I John saw the HOLY CITY=117, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men (Is.60:14), and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
AND GOD HIMSELF=117 shall be with them, and be “their God”=86 (YHVH=63).
(86=[אלהים] ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63)

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Eccl. 9:12-16)
PS> בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי (Ĕl Shăddīâ) equals 69th Prime or “JEHOVAH”(69)!

February 2, 2011 at 1:02 am#235067

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Oh yea, and “Hō Lōgôs”(91) equals “Spirit”(91)!

John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 2, 2011 at 2:55 am#235071

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:52)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,14:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,20:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26)

And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered.

Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed?

Is the Father of Jesus God? Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”?

mike

Hi Mike,

The mind of Ed is Ed.
The Spirit of Ed is Ed.
The finger of Ed is Ed.

The HolySpirit(God) is the Father of Jesus! (Matt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)
You are the one that has been saying the “HolySpirit” is part of God; have you forgotten?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you still do not have knowledge of what is the holyspirit ,

being,be of,being from,comes,you still do not understand it ,

we spend a topic on it were did you went ??
but we know EDJ just believe what is fit for EDJ,truth or no truth.

Pierre

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)

Ed …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 01 2011,20:58)

To Ed …God bless your efforts to teach. TK

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)

The Holy Spirit became flesh?

Hi Pierre,

“The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)

Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
The Word(The Seed is HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.

YHVH(63) = Color(63)
Connecting the dots

“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible” (1Peter 1:23)
“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.” (Acts 12:24)
“The seed is The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God.” (Luke 8:11)

Understanding “The Truth”! (John 17:17)

2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that [HolySpirit] was in Christ, reconciling
the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation.
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because
ye have been with me from the beginning.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak,
but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

EDJ

yeah,

all as per my expectation ,always answers and do mean nothing.

Pierre :ghostface:

February 2, 2011 at 3:39 am#235079

mikeboll64

Blocked

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,07:56)

How does your question even remotely relate to anything I said?

February 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm#235251

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,18:50)

Hi WJ,

Your interpretation of those verse is foolish human logic contrived by the systems of religion.

The Father does not have to hear something before he speaks. You can't prove that and in fact what about the Holy Spirit not speaking of himself?

February 3, 2011 at 9:21 pm#235253

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,09:25)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2011,19:40)

Hi All,

The Holy Spirit is God's “active force”. God speaks to us THROUGH His Spirit.

It is the Spirit OF OF OF OF God. Just like Jesus is the Son OF OF OF OF God.

When did the word OF become so hard to understand by intelligent adults?

John 16:13 NIV
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

So God Himself does not speak on His own? He only speaks what he's told to? Sounds a little odd to me. But come to think of it, Jesus also only spoke what the Father commanded him to speak. So another “God Almighty” can't speak his own words. This gets stranger all the time. :cool:

mike

Mike

That is a good scripture. Notice how no one comments on it and yet 3 have voted that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

Are they even reading their Bible?

Here are the points to be made from that one verse…

The Holy Spirit “Comes”, implying a living entity.

He is called the “Spirit of Truth”, implying a living entity.

He will “Guide” us, implying a living entity.

He “Speaks” what he “Hears”, implying a living entity.

He “Teaches” the future to us, implying a living entity.

By this one verse we know he “is a Spirit” who Travels, Guides, Speaks, Hears, Teaches, and lives in the Temples (the bodies) of every true believer all at the same time.

This one verse also reveals he is not the Father, and he is not Jesus, so then WHO is he because a mere active force or power does not have these attributes?

that scripture is in deed truth,but you do not understand it the way scriptures experience make you understand it,

so you have to make your own opinion about it.

think,is apostles were with Jesus 3.5 years private lessons,
still at the end some still doubt about him.

so to whom did he really say that ??

Pierre

February 3, 2011 at 10:06 pm#235255

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,15:21)

so to whom did he really say that ??

To us and the Apostles, who else?

Why don't you make some sense of your post?

Just because you do not accept Jesus words the way he spoke them does not mean his words are not true.

February 3, 2011 at 10:20 pm#235257

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:45)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)

The Holy Spirit became flesh?

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)

Ed …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….

Hi Irene and Theodore J,

“The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)

YHVH(63) = Color(63)
Connecting the dots

Understanding “The Truth”! (John 17:17)

I came just now on this tread and voted. My first impression was “You got to be kidding me.”
The Holy Spirit is the power of God. A Force within God Himself. It could simple not be a person, because how could a person life inside all of us….The Holy Spirit is not God Himself either, that would make that then a person…
If the Holy Spirit is a person, then that would make the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, that goes for both what Ed believes and all trinatarians believe….
Peace Irene

February 3, 2011 at 10:34 pm#235258

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Quote (Baker @ Feb. 03 2011,16:20)

It could simple not be a person, because how could a person life inside all of us….

Hi Irene

So what you are saying is God the Father cannot live in all of us at the same time? Isn't he Omnipresent?

So basically you are saying that our bodies are not the Temple of God but the Temple of a force or power of God?

What about this scripture…

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for “ye are the temple of the living God“; as God hath said, “I will dwell in them, and walk in them“; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Cor 6:16

You do realize that if Jesus does not dwell in you then you are none of his don't you?

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, “how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates“? 2 Cor 13:5

February 3, 2011 at 11:04 pm#235259

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,15:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,15:21)

so to whom did he really say that ??

To us and the Apostles, who else?

Why don't you make some sense of your post?

Just because you do not accept Jesus words the way he spoke them does not mean his words are not true.

could you show me in scripture were it says that it is given to all, i mean what Jesus says ;the spirit of truth;

and also what it is since you know it

Pierre

February 3, 2011 at 11:16 pm#235260

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,17:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,15:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,15:21)

so to whom did he really say that ??

To us and the Apostles, who else?

Why don't you make some sense of your post?

Just because you do not accept Jesus words the way he spoke them does not mean his words are not true.

could you show me in scripture were it says that it is given to all, i mean what Jesus says ;the spirit of truth;

and also what it is since you know it

Pierre

I never said he gives the Spirit of Truth to all, but only to those who thirst and believe…

In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, “IF ANY MAN THIRST“, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. “(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]“; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) John 7:37-39

February 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm#235262

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WJ Georg and I were Baptized in “The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.. Yes, God is Omnipresent, He upholds all by His power….The tree's all that he created, by His power…..I don't think that God could possibly look on all sinful men. His Holy Spirit is in us just like Jesus Spirit is.
Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
What is the mind? It is His Spirit….

yes, we are the Temple of God, because God's Holy Spirit lives in us……

Is Jesus not in Heaven siting on the Throne next to his Father?

The trinity was invented by a man and it is not of God. I have proven that to myself many years ago. I am not going to give you again all those Scriptures, that prove it.

Do I know if God is with Me? Oh yes…..Even this is a test for me you trowing Scriptures like 2 Corinth. 13:5 at me, have you done what it says? I have given you many Scriptures that prove the trinity wrong, yet you hold on to one scripture…..
You believe what you want to, and I will do what I have learned. We have gone around in circle with this, and there is no sense in doing it again….

Peace Irene

February 3, 2011 at 11:35 pm#235263

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,16:16)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,17:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,15:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2011,15:21)

so to whom did he really say that ??

To us and the Apostles, who else?

Why don't you make some sense of your post?

Just because you do not accept Jesus words the way he spoke them does not mean his words are not true.

could you show me in scripture were it says that it is given to all, i mean what Jesus says ;the spirit of truth;

and also what it is since you know it

Pierre

I never said he gives the Spirit of Truth to all, but only to those who thirst and believe…

so it is given only if you do something is it ??

Pierre

February 4, 2011 at 2:48 am#235279

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,07:12)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,18:50)

Hi WJ,

(1)Foolishness human logic contrived by the systems of religion.

(2)The Father does not have to hear something before he speaks. (3)You can't prove that (4)and in fact what about the Holy Spirit not speaking of himself?

Hi WJ,

1) The 'systems of religion' do “NOT” teach the
“HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ”;
can you name 'even one' that actually does?

2) Do you have “God The Father” in you? …(a rhetorical question)
3) My “PROOF” that “God The Father” is the “Holyspirit” is:
“Tell me 'something' that you have said that you have not heard something about before?” Well? (Isa.41:28-29)
4) That is in John 16:13 and it relates to the 'challenge' between 'Lucifer/satan' and “YHVH”. (Amos 3:7+ 1Tm.3:13)
[37+26=74]

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 4, 2011 at 2:56 am#235280

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Quote (Baker @ Feb. 04 2011,08:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,08:45)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)

The Holy Spirit became flesh?

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)

Ed …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….

Hi Irene and Theodore J,

“The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)

YHVH(63) = Color(63)
Connecting the dots

Understanding “The Truth”! (John 17:17)

Hi Irene,

Do you reject these Scriptures; Irene?

What does the combination of Eph.4:6 combined with Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20 and Luke 1:35 say to you?
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

February 4, 2011 at 4:02 am#235286

Participant

Ed! I don't deny any Scriptures. but to think that the Holy Spirit is God rather then the Holy Spirit is of God, I find wrong.

1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false

Notice that it says whether the Spirit is of God.

Hbr 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Father of Spirits…

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Spirit of God…

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

My Spirit

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

The Spirit of God…..should I go on or dio yiu get the picture

Peace Irene

February 4, 2011 at 6:33 am#235301

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 04 2011,08:34)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 03 2011,16:20)

It could simple not be a person, because how could a person life inside all of us….

Hi Irene

So what you are saying is God the Father cannot live in all of us at the same time? Isn't he Omnipresent?

Hi WJ,

Do you not believe your own words?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 4, 2011 at 6:56 am#235303