The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

The Holy Spirit is God's “active force”.  God speaks to us THROUGH His Spirit.

It is the Spirit OF  OF   OF   OF   God.   Just like Jesus is the Son OF   OF     OF    OF    God.

When did the word OF become so hard to understand by intelligent adults?  

John 16:13 NIV
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

So God Himself does not speak on His own?  He only speaks what he's told to?  Sounds a little odd to me.   But come to think of it, Jesus also only spoke what the Father commanded him to speak. So another “God Almighty” can't speak his own words. This gets stranger all the time.

mike

[terraricca]

WJ
the holy spirit is the power but the power without will is nothing ,it would like a super charger car in parking,

so the the holyspirit can be many things ,but it is first the will of God ,because the holy spirit does nothing against the will of God,

then he can supply ,power in all measure,instruct in truth,sent help to his people,guide people,and many others

no one can claim understanding from God holy spirit just by reading the bible.

Pierre

[kerwin]

To all,

None of the choices seem to fit what I currently believe as I believe the Holy Spirit is a force of God but is also a part of God. I also pelieve it has characteristics of a person but is not a person in its own right.

Still, I am still learning.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2011,15:12)

To all, None of the choices seem to fit what I currently believe as I believe the Holy Spirit is a force of God but is also a part of God.  I also pelieve it has characteristics of a person but is not a person in its own right. Still, I am still learning.

Hi Kerwin,

I agree with everything you said, especially the “still learning” part.

mike

[Ed J]

Bump for mike

[mikeboll64]

What are you bumping? The whole thread?

Use your third grade logic, Ed. Something OF someone cannot BE the entire being of that someone. Unless of course you say, “The ENTIRE BEING OF God”. Then it could.

peace and love,
mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,04:34)

What are you bumping?  The whole thread?   Use your third grade logic, Ed.  Something OF someone cannot BE the entire being of that someone.  Unless of course you say, “The ENTIRE BEING OF God”.  Then it could.   peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

Is your spirit you?
What happens when your husk dies?
Do you then cease to exist? Or does your spirit continue?

Are you not your spirit?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

No Ed,

Your own wording should tell you that. You asked if “YOUR” spirit is you. If you have to use the words “YOUR SPIRIT”, then it becomes clear that my spirit is A PART OF ME, but not the entire being of Mike Boll.

Get it? Third grade logic, my friend.

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,04:51)

No Ed, Your own wording should tell you that.  You asked if “YOUR” spirit is you.  If you have to use the words “YOUR SPIRIT”, then it becomes clear that my spirit is A PART OF ME, but not the entire being of Mike Boll. Get it?  Third grade logic, my friend. mike

Hi Mike,

I never said the “HolySpirit” is the entirety of YHVH.
But you and others here have trouble understanding
the “HolySpirit” is Jesus' father. (Mt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 17 2010,21:59)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2010,09:58) edj you make me luff, the you twist scriptures around your fingers, the only one i know of who did that is reccorded in Luke;and Geneses; Lk 4:9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. Lk 4:10 For it is written: “ ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; Lk 4:11 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” and one more thing EDJ you can not have the spirit of God and lie ,or be in contradiction with his word. Pierre Hi Terraricca, Accusations? Is that what you offer? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

when you are not truthful and we pointed out to you then you say;;Accusations? Is that what you offer?

what a poor way to justify lies,

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,05:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,04:51) No Ed, Your own wording should tell you that.  You asked if “YOUR” spirit is you.  If you have to use the words “YOUR SPIRIT”, then it becomes clear that my spirit is A PART OF ME, but not the entire being of Mike Boll. Get it?  Third grade logic, my friend. mike Hi Mike, I never said the “HolySpirit” is the entirety of YHVH. But you and others here have trouble understanding the “HolySpirit” is Jesus' father. (Mt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The Holy Spirit is Jesus Father? Ed you make it sound like that The Holy Spirit is the Person Jesus Father…… That is like believing in the trinity….. yet you say that you don't believe in the trinity…..you are confused…..

Peace Irene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,05:09)

Hi Mike, I never said the “HolySpirit” is the entirety of YHVH. But you and others here have trouble understanding the “HolySpirit” is Jesus' father.

No again, Ed.

I have to be blunt here, but we're all adults, right?  

Ed, YHVH is the Father of Jesus.   YHVH impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit.  God's Holy Spirit is not the Father of Jesus anymore than my penis alone is the father of my son.  My penis and sperm are PARTS OF me, THROUGH which I impregnated my son's mother.  But my son does not call my penis “Daddy”.

The BEING of God is the Father of Jesus.  Not the particular PART OF HIM that He used to impregnate Mary.

Tell me what's holding you back from understanding this.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Hey Irene,

Cool gunslinger!

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,05:09) Hi Mike, I never said the “HolySpirit” is the entirety of YHVH. But you and others here have trouble understanding the “HolySpirit” is Jesus' father. No again, Ed. I have to be blunt here, but we're all adults, right?   Ed, YHVH is the Father of Jesus.   YHVH impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit.  God's Holy Spirit is not the Father of Jesus anymore than my penis alone is the father of my son.  My penis and sperm are PARTS OF me, THROUGH which I impregnated my son's mother.  But my son does not call my penis “Daddy”. The BEING of God is the Father of Jesus.  Not the particular PART OF HIM that He used to impregnate Mary. Tell me what's holding you back from understanding this. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

Your logic, although a bit graphic, is inaccurate.

Jesus said:
A. The Father in him doeth the work. (John 14:10)
B. With the finger of God Jesus casts out devils and
the kingdom of God is come upon you. (Luke 11:20)

Looking at this through physical understanding doesn't work to well.
So if we were to use your logic, we could say(please excuse my graphicness)…

1. The “HolySpirit” is God's finger.
2. God used his finger to impregnate Mary.

I hope this will give you better understanding. Here are the “Facts”…

God's finger is the “HolySpirit”. (Luke 11:20)
God's spirit is the “HolySpirit”. (Romans 8:11)
God's mind is the “HolySpirit”. (Philippians 2:6)

The “HolySpirit” is called God. (Acts 5:3-4)
The “HolySpirit” is Jesus' Father. (Luke 1:35)
One God and Father of all in you all. (Eph.4:4-6)
The Father in Jesus doeth the works. (John 14:10)
Blaspheming the “HolySpirit” will not be forgiven. (Matt.12:31)

Is it so hard for you to then connect the dots?…   HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:53)

Hey Irene, Cool gunslinger!

Yeh, I love those little characters….Here is another one

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 31 2011,11:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:53) Hey Irene, Cool gunslinger!   Yeh, I love those little characters….Here is another one

Hi Georg,

Glad to help!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,10:31)

God's finger is the “HolySpirit”. (Luke 11:20)

Hi Ed,

Let's take all of your “proof” scriptures one at a time and see if we can get anywhere, okay?

Luke 11:20…………what does that say?  It speaks of the finger…………OF………….God, right?

Again, what does that word “OF” mean?  Is the finger OF Ed the actual ENTIRE BEING of Ed?

Please DIRECTLY answer the question without the inference that I can't understand “spiritual” things.  Because that's just a cop out that says you can't refute what I say, so you must bring out the “you just don't understand the spirit” stuff.

Here is a YES or NO question, Ed.  Please give me a YES or NO answer:

Ed J, is the finger OF Ed the ENTIRE BEING of Ed?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,11:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,10:31) God's finger is the “HolySpirit”. (Luke 11:20) Hi Ed, Let's take all of your “proof” scriptures one at a time and see if we can get anywhere, okay? Luke 11:20…………what does that say?  It speaks of the finger…………OF………….God, right? Again, what does that word “OF” mean?  Is the finger OF Ed the actual ENTIRE BEING of Ed? Please DIRECTLY answer the question without the inference that I can't understand “spiritual” things.  Because that's just a cop out that says you can't refute what I say, so you must bring out the “you just don't understand the spirit” stuff. Here is a YES or NO question, Ed.  Please give me a YES or NO answer: Ed J, is the finger OF Ed the ENTIRE BEING of Ed? mike

Hi Mike,

If you take only one Scripture at a time, will God's finger become God's mind?
If your “fist” assaults someone, does only your fist go to jail?

I already said this on the sixth Post of the last page…
I never said the “HolySpirit” is the entirety of YHVH.

God bless  
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

My fist will never on its own assault someone. The BEING OF MIKE can assault someone USING his fist. But the fist cannot on its own assault anyone.

And if the Holy Spirit isn't the “entirety of YHVH”, then who is Jesus' Father? Is a PART of the “entirety of YHVH” the Father of Christ? The WHOLE God is not Jesus' Father, just a PART OF HIM that's not His “entirety”?

Please explain.

mike

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

                                             For one is your Father (Matt.23:9)

Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One  God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and  in you all.

             “YHVH” ↔ “God”…………………………………..(Rom. 1:20)
      “Christ”(77) = “And Father”(77)…………………..(Coloss.2:9)
       “Body”(46) = “of all”(46)……………………………(Matt.10:29)
“Witness”(109) = “in you all”(109)…………………….(Acts 17:29)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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