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Pierre,
You are still not understanding. If one believes then it is true that they act from that belief. That action is not necessary the fruit of the spirit though it is a sign that God is drawing them to him even as we are now drawn to God through Jesus, John 6:44.
The fruit of the spirit is God working though those that live according to the spirit of righteousness just as God lived through Jesus and no one in the Old Testiment had that.
Scripture testifies that Jesus was the first one that had that and so he is both the archetyoe and prototyope of all those who believe. None other could live by the spirit until he ascended to heaven in order to mediate the New Covenant which is why he declared that the Counselor unless he went away, John 16:7.
The Counselor is the Spirit of righteousness.
In the Old Testiment each and every human being be they righteous or wicked had only an impure spirit to live by. This limited their ability to obey all God commanded which is why he allowed regular sacrifices to atone for their sins. This is also why even after he gave the old covenant he told of a future and better covenant for those whom believe. He did this through the prophet Jerimiah in chapter 31 of the book of the prophet's name. I believe he also did it at other times.
Gene Balthrop,
Have you considered that God existed before their was a universe since he created all that is?
I must still ask, if you read this Scripture Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.How can the Spirit of God be the Father if the Father spoke from the Heavens as the Spirit of God came upon Christ?
Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,15:39) I must still ask, if you read this Scripture Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.How can the Spirit of God be the Father if the Father spoke from the Heavens as the Spirit of God came upon Christ?
Hi Oxy,How can God be in two places at the same time?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOxy,
The conclusion you wish to make is possibly correct but your reasoning is flawed. I speak from my mouth and my foot is still part of me even though they are 5 or so feet apart.
God can speak from anywhere he chooses as he is all places and does to effect. His spirit in this case was a sign and thus visiable to some even though God has chosen to leave it unseen at other times.
If my understanding is correct then God's spirit was already present as it is everywhere and yet God chose to have it decend on his Son before witnesses.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,17:50) Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,15:39) I must still ask, if you read this Scripture Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.How can the Spirit of God be the Father if the Father spoke from the Heavens as the Spirit of God came upon Christ?
Hi Oxy,How can God be in two places at the same time?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
That's a really good question. God the Father can speak from the Heavens as the Scripture says. The Scriptures also say that the Father will send His Holy Spirit. I am happy with this. If it bothers you then perhaps you should ask God if there's another answer other than your current conviction.Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,17:53) Oxy, The conclusion you wish to make is possibly correct but your reasoning is flawed. I speak from my mouth and my foot is still part of me even though they are 5 or so feet apart.
God can speak from anywhere he chooses as he is all places and does to effect. His spirit in this case was a sign and thus visiable to some even though God has chosen to leave it unseen at other times.
If my understanding is correct then God's spirit was already present as it is everywhere and yet God chose to have it decend on his Son before witnesses.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
I think that you are looking for ways to justify your beliefs. Would it not be far better to ask the Lord what He thinks?Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,16:02) Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,17:53) Oxy, The conclusion you wish to make is possibly correct but your reasoning is flawed. I speak from my mouth and my foot is still part of me even though they are 5 or so feet apart.
God can speak from anywhere he chooses as he is all places and does to effect. His spirit in this case was a sign and thus visiable to some even though God has chosen to leave it unseen at other times.
If my understanding is correct then God's spirit was already present as it is everywhere and yet God chose to have it decend on his Son before witnesses.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
I think that you are looking for ways to justify your beliefs. Would it not be far better to ask the Lord what He thinks?
oxyWould it not be far better to ask the Lord what He thinks?
how we do that Oxy???
Pierre
Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,16:00) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,17:50) Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,15:39) I must still ask, if you read this Scripture Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.How can the Spirit of God be the Father if the Father spoke from the Heavens as the Spirit of God came upon Christ?
Hi Oxy,How can God be in two places at the same time?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
That's a really good question. God the Father can speak from the Heavens as the Scripture says. The Scriptures also say that the Father will send His Holy Spirit. I am happy with this. If it bothers you then perhaps you should ask God if there's another answer other than your current conviction.
Hi Oxy,So you don't believe God can be in more than one place at the same time.
Oxy,
I am not sure what beliefs of mine you fell I was striving to justify except possibly that I am certain God is everywhere. That is not in doubt as scripture states we all have our being within him. Not that we really need scripture to know that since what can exist outside of God?
I am not certain that the spirit of God is all pressent. I only believe it to be so because God is all pressent. I do not attempt to justify that believe as if it is false then it has no reason to be justified and if it is true then it justifies itself.
God is the one that will teach me as the pace I will learn.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
We are all indeed students. The Holy Spirit dwells in each believer that has received Him.
Joh 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
Act 1:8 But you shall receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you. And you shall be witnesses to Me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 8:17 Then they laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.It is through the Holy Spirit that we learn and are comforted and are able to make intercession etc. Jesus described the Holy Spirit as “He”
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.
Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,16:16) You have a tongue.. God has ears.. simple.
oxymy priest wen i was small kid use to say that to ,he figure i must know more than what he did that's why he never give me an explanation how to do it and how to be condition to do it .
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2010,18:34) Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,16:16) You have a tongue.. God has ears.. simple.
oxymy priest wen i was small kid use to say that to ,he figure i must know more than what he did that's why he never give me an explanation how to do it and how to be condition to do it .
Pierre
Forgive me Pierre. For the past 32 years I have known what it is like to speak to and also hear from God. I apologise for becoming so blase.Initially it is not such an easy thing, because you must discern His voice, but the good news is that He does hear our prayers and when we ask Him He will often answer. His voice is often a small still voice in your head that is mostly distinguishable because your next thought may well be “where did that thought come from?” You will soon get used to His voice and easily distinguish it from your own thoughts.
I hope this helps.
Oxy,
I do not believe the pronoun used in relationship to the Holy Spirit means anything much as the word used for the Spirit in the Hebrew Old Testiment is feminine. The Greeks just had a different way of speaking though there may be time the neutor or feminime are used in the New Testiment. In the English language we usually use “he” or “it” but “she” is equally applicable from what I understand.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,18:48) Oxy, I do not believe the pronoun used in relationship to the Holy Spirit means anything much as the word used for the Spirit in the Hebrew Old Testiment is feminine. The Greeks just had a different way of speaking though there may be time the neutor or feminime are used in the New Testiment. In the English language we usually use “he” or “it” but “she” is equally applicable from what I understand.
You fellow student,
Kerwin
Whether Hebrew or Greek, the still depict an identity rather than an “it”.An “it” cannoy hear or speak or bear witness. And if the Holy Spirit was just an “it” why is it an unforgivable sin to blaspheme Him?
Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,16:44)
For the past 32 years I have known what it is like to speak to and also hear from God.
Hi Oxy,Did you ask God in my behalf what he thinks of me yet? (Jer.23:37)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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