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Quote (david @ June 20 2010,07:06) “Jehovah” is specifically called “God” 1000 times in scripture. I have numerous questions, but I think this is the most obvious:
Where is the holy spirit called “God”?
Hi David,Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Oxy,
In the Spirit you can fellowship with God and His Son.[2 cor13.14, 1jn1.3, 2jn9,]So put aside accreted traditions
Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,18:18) Quote (david @ June 20 2010,07:06) “Jehovah” is specifically called “God” 1000 times in scripture. I have numerous questions, but I think this is the most obvious:
Where is the holy spirit called “God”?
Hi David,Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
For DavidQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2010,10:52) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,18:18) Quote (david @ June 20 2010,07:06) “Jehovah” is specifically called “God” 1000 times in scripture. I have numerous questions, but I think this is the most obvious:
Where is the holy spirit called “God”?
Hi David,Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
For David
So, to be clear, my first question Ed, was:1. “Jehovah” is specifically and clearly called “God” about 1000 times in scripture and several more thousand times, He is called “God” but not as clearly. If the holy spirit, often called God's holy spirit, is “God” then where in scripture is “he” called “God”?
Your answer was:
Luke 1:35
“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Maybe I'm missing something Ed, but could you underline or point out specifically where the holy spirit is called “God” in that scripture? I also checked Mat 1:18,20. Same situation there. In those scriptures, not only is the holy spirit not called “God,” but the word “God” doesn't even exist in those scriptures.
My question again is simply this: If the holy spirit is “God” then why is it NEVER called “God”? It is plain to me that “Jehovah” is “God” for he is called “God” about 7000 times in scripture, and as I stated, 1000 of those times, he is unquestionably and specifically called “God” as in for example: “Jehovah God,” or “Jehovah the God of” or “Jehovah our God,” etc. Such phrases occur about 1000 times.
Of course, I have follow up questions (if permitted):
2. If the holy spirit is NEVER called “God” in the Bible, is it because Jehovah didn't want us to know that the holy spirit was God, or is it because the holy spirit isn't God? Or is there some other reason?david
Quote (david @ June 24 2010,13:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2010,10:52) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,18:18) Quote (david @ June 20 2010,07:06) “Jehovah” is specifically called “God” 1000 times in scripture. I have numerous questions, but I think this is the most obvious:
Where is the holy spirit called “God”?
Hi David,Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
For David
So, to be clear, my first question Ed, was:1. “Jehovah” is specifically and clearly called “God” about 1000 times in scripture and several more thousand times, He is called “God” but not as clearly. If the holy spirit, often called God's holy spirit, is “God” then where in scripture is “he” called “God”?
Your answer was:
Luke 1:35
“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)Maybe I'm missing something Ed, but could you underline or point out specifically where the holy spirit is called “God” in that scripture?
Hi David,I've used black-embolden to connect the dots together for you.
Luke 1:35 is connective in it's meaning to Matt.1:18 and Matt.20.
Luke 1:35 says that Jesus shall be called “The Son of God”,
Matt.1:18 and Matt.20 say “The HolySpirit” is Jesus' father.Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:
When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came
together (consummated the marriage), she was found with child of the HolySpirit.Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold,
the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David,
fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ June 24 2010,13:57) It is plain to me that “Jehovah” is “God” for he is called “God” about 7000 times in scripture… david
Hi David,The is NO coincidences about God!
YHVH GOD is One=151
God’s unity of Spirit is seen through prime number counterparts.
God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how the
Gematria VALUE of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
resembles the number of times יהוה is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number shows the “Unity” in Spirit.YHVH GOD is One=151
The LORD JEHOVAH=151
Jesus Christ=151
Holy Spirit=151
LORD of Hosts=151 is uses repeatedly The AKJV BibleEnglish Gematria illustrates this “Unity” in “Spirit” perfectly.
“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI get it. So, you believe:
–The holy spirit is a person, therefore:
When it says that “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you” you take it to mean that the holy spirit as a person, is Fathering Jesus. Hence, the holy spirit is Jesus Father, and since Jesus Father is God, therefore, the holy spirit is God.
Two things:
1. The holy spirit is never directly or clearly called “God” in the Bible, ever. (Jehovah is.)
2. You assume that the holy spirit must be a person. Since it is called the finger of God, the arm of God, and since it is often called “God's holy spirit” as something he possesses, couldn't God's holy spirit be a part of him, and hence, when it's referring to the holy spirit as begetting Jesus, it is still really God, the Father, using his spirit to carry out his will?Quote (david @ June 24 2010,13:57) My question again is simply this: If the holy spirit is “God” then why is [ [ [ it ] ] ] NEVER called “God”?
david
Hi David,The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit [speaketh out against the HolySpirit],
it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mt.12:32He, Him, Her, She and it are all translated from the same Greek word: αυτος autŏs.
Perhaps this “Bible Truth” has not been taught to you by 'your' your origination?If you believe the “HolySpirit”(John 4:24) merely to be an 'it' rather than a “HIM”
perhaps you should petition your origination to alter John 16:7 in the N.W.T.?N.W.T. John 16:7 …but if I do go my way, I will send [ [ [ him ] ] ] unto YOU.
Perhaps this will have to wait for the 'next' revision; huh?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ June 24 2010,14:27) I get it. So, you believe: –The holy spirit is a person, therefore:
When it says that “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you” you take it to mean that the holy spirit as a person, is Fathering Jesus. Hence, the holy spirit is Jesus Father, and since Jesus Father is God, therefore, the holy spirit is God.
Two things:
1. The holy spirit is never directly or clearly called “God” in the Bible, ever. (Jehovah is.)
2. You assume that the holy spirit must be a person. Since it is called the finger of God, the arm of God, and since it is often called “God's holy spirit” as something he possesses, couldn't God's holy spirit be a part of him, and hence, when it's referring to the holy spirit as begetting Jesus, it is still really God, the Father, using his spirit to carry out his will?
Hi David,“God Spirit”=117 = 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)
Leviticus 11:45: For I (JEHOVAH=69) the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall
therefore be holy, for “I Holy”=69.John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit
and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ June 24 2010,14:27) I get it. So, you believe: –The holy spirit is a person, therefore:
When it says that “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you” you take it to mean that the holy spirit as a person, is Fathering Jesus. Hence, the holy spirit is Jesus Father, and since Jesus Father is God, therefore, the holy spirit is God.
Two things:
1. The holy spirit is never directly or clearly called “God” in the Bible, ever. (Jehovah is.)
2. You assume that the holy spirit must be a person. Since it is called the finger of God, the arm of God, and since it is often called “God's holy spirit” as something he possesses, couldn't God's holy spirit be a part of him, and hence, when it's referring to the holy spirit as begetting Jesus, it is still really God, the Father, using his spirit to carry out his will?
daviddo you know what is the holy spirit ?
you just about have 50 % of the answer in your comment to edj.
Pierre
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,15:18) Hi David,
The Holy Spirit is called God.
Ps139.7
Jn14.10
Jn15.26
2Cor5.19
Eph 3.19
Phil2.13
etc
Hi Nick,Thanks for standing with me in “The Truth”!
2 Cor.5:19 reveals something else to us as well!2 Cor.5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us “The Word“ ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of reconciliation.Eph.3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge,
that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God (The HolySpirit of Truth).
Eph.4:6: One God and (HolySpirit) Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi David, The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit [speaketh out against the HolySpirit],
it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mt.12:32He, Him, Her, She and it are all translated from the same Greek word: αυτος autŏs.
Perhaps this “Bible Truth” has not been taught to you by 'your' your origination?Ed, you said this:
The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…
Then you quoted a scripture that didn't say that at all.Ed, “speaking against the holy spirit” does not equal “rejecting the holy spirit as God.“
Quote He, Him, Her, She and it are all translated from the same Greek word: αυτος autŏs.
Perhaps this “Bible Truth” has not been taught to you by 'your' your origination?“It” and “Him” are not exactly the same in Greek. They come from the same “root” word if that's what you mean.
Quote If you believe the “HolySpirit”(John 4:24) merely to be an 'it' rather than a “HIM”
perhaps you should petition your origination to alter John 16:7 in the N.W.T.?N.W.T. John 16:7 …but if I do go my way, I will send [ [ [ him ] ] ] unto YOU.
Perhaps this will have to wait for the 'next' revision; huh?In John 16:7, we have autov. (him)
In many other places, we have auto (it)5 seconds on the internet told me that.
I guess my second question is:
2. Where does the Bible teach what you say:Quote The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…
It is certainly not in the scripture you quoted.Quote Hi David,
The Holy Spirit is called God.
Ps139.7
Jn14.10
Jn15.26
2Cor5.19
Eph 3.19
Phil2.13
etcI don't think you understood my question Nick.
“Jehovah” is specifically called “God” 1000 times!
All the scriptures you posted are the same:
PSALM 139:7
“Where can I go from your spirit, And where can I run away from your face?”Where does this scripture say the holy spirit is “God.” The word “God” isn't even in the scripture.
I don't think you understand what I was asking. This scripture shows the spirit not to be God, but rather to be something he possesses, (ie: “your spirit.”)
Hi David,
If someone is rejecting God, do you believe there is forgiveness for that?
Quote Ed, you said this:
The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…Then you quoted a scripture that didn't say that at all.
Ed, “speaking against the holy spirit” does not equal “rejecting the holy spirit as God.”
SO FAR, HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE:
We thus have no actual instances of the holy spirit being called “God.”
You mention that “There No forgiveness for rejecting The HolySpirit as GOD…” but again, just like the fact that holy spirit isn't called “God” there is also no scripture that says ANYTHING about rejecting the holy spirit as God!
Quote Hi David, If someone is rejecting God, do you believe there is forgiveness for that?
Ed J
I don't know. What do THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY?
Quote Hi ED,
Is you spirit you?
The Spirit of God is as the finger of God.[Mt12.Lk11]–Nick
This is Nick's question I found that wasn't actually answered. It is a good question.
Is your spirit, you?
Is God's finger, God?Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,15:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,15:18) Hi David,
The Holy Spirit is called God.
Ps139.7
Jn14.10
Jn15.26
2Cor5.19
Eph 3.19
Phil2.13
etc
Hi Nick,Thanks for standing with me in “The Truth”!
2 Cor.5:19 reveals something else to us as well!2 Cor.5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us “The Word“ ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of reconciliation.Eph.3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge,
that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God (The HolySpirit of Truth).
Eph.4:6: One God and (HolySpirit) Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed.I'm not sure what you mean by “truth.”
Nick said that: “The Holy Spirit is CALLED God.”
Did he randomly pick scriptures out of the Bible? NONE of them have the holy spirit being called “God.” Your “truth” is not based on scripture.
Quote (david @ June 24 2010,15:54) Quote Hi David, If someone is rejecting God, do you believe there is forgiveness for that?
Ed J
I don't know. What do THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY?
Hi David,Watchtower May 1, 2009, Page 6 First Paragraph and Last Paragraph.
'However, to gain accurate knowledge of God's personality,
each individual needs to open God's word, the bible, and examine
it for himself. Do not passively allow others to mold your thinking.'
'If you know that the bible really teaches about God, you will avoid being misled'…Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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