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Nick……..How can you separate the Mind from the Heart that is impossible they work together. Look up the words in a concordance God Changes our hearts through enlightening our mind. They are synonymous with each other, mind and heart are the same thing.
gene
Nick…….do you know the definition of Love, please show it apart from the mind if you can. Love is simply what we (HOLD) on to, and if it is a true LOVE it is an ordinate desire, GOD so LOVED the world, (HE WANTED TO HANG ON TO IT) SO HE SAVED IT. By offering Jesus as payment for its sins. If you think GOD'S mind was not involved in His LOVE you are sadly mistaking NICK. “GOD pettis us as a Father pettis his childern. To think no mind is involved it that is pure folly . Love does not operate without knowledge of the mind. The word mind and heart are interchangeable. Emotion is produced through knowledge in the mind. Let this (MIND) be in you which was also in Christ Jesus our LORD” , that mind was the mind of LOVE NICK.
gene
Nick……Without a mind you could (NOT) understand anything at all. Much less the love of GOD. You would have (NO) thoughts without a MIND> You simply would (NOT) exist with out a mind. You need to let the mind that was in Jesus be in you Nick, and you wont be so confused , the LOVE of GOD is incorporated in His thinking (mind). If i say to you Love suffers long, Love is gentle, Love is kind,etc, does that mean there is no (reasoning of the mind involved) Pitt is not blind and mindless, it is the result of true understanding, when GOD brings us to (SEE) or Understand the condition of others is that done without the knowledge of the mind. For you are sorrowed unto righteousness, that can (NOT) take place without Godly (INTELLECT) in you mind. Heart and Mind are interchangeable in meaning. IMO
gene
G,
You cling to the mind concepts and exalt them but such an approach makes you miss the plea of our loving God to really know Him.hi gene
could you explain to me wath the” spirit in Christ” expression means,
as for the love of God ,Paul said to Timothy 1-3-11 …..these promote controversies rather than God's work WHICH IS BY FAITH THE GOAL OF THIS COMMAND IS LOVE;WHICH COMES FROM A PURE HEART AND GOOD CONSCIENCE AND SINCERE FAITH.some have wandered away from these and turn to meaninggless talk………they want to be teachers of the law……..terraricca………..the spirit in Christ is the INTELLECT he had given him by GOD the FATHER it is the Spirit of GOD . Even the faith you talk about is give by GOD , Jesus said (NO) man (CAN) come unto me unless the FATHER (DRAW) Him. The teacher of the Commandment is GOD HIMSELF. And GOD writes the on our Hearts as scripture say He does. The commandments are fulfilled in us by HIS SPIRIT (intellect). IMO
prace and love to you and yours…………………gene
The New Testament “texts reveal 'elohim's spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of 'elohim.”
Ref: New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 14, by editorial staff at the Catholic University of America, c.1967, pub. McGraw-Hill, New York
Evidence of this is indicted in what the Angel told Mary concerning her upcoming pregnancy: “And the Angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you ….'” (Luke 1:35; see also Luke 24:49 and John 20:22-23)
Some Bible verses also speak of 'elohim's Holy Spirit as being the disposition of 'elohim, either in Himself or in others.
'Elohim's disposition can take the form of wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, truth, promise, etc.: “Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God.” (1 Corinthians 2:12; see also Isaiah 11:2; John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 17:17; Genesis 22:16-18)
The idea of the Holy Spirit being part of a “G-dhead” was not in the minds of the earliest Church members.
The place and character which the Holy Spirit now possesses in Christianity can be credited to the Cappadocians.
Ref: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Vol. 15,
It is apparent that the Holy Spirit is not a person as implied by the personal pronoun “he” in some scripture (see John 14:17, KJV), but a power, or force, as correctly indicated by the imprsonal “it” in Romans: “The Spirit itself beareth witness ….” (Romans 8:16, KJV)
While it can be said that the Holy Spirit reflects personality (that of Yahovah and all who display His attributes), it is obvious, from scriptural research, that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
CT………I agree with that , the Holy Spirit is not a person , it is INTELLECTS coupled with POWER. Jesus in revelations is pictured as slain Lamb before the throne of GOD, Having (seven eyes) Spirit (intellects)of GOD upon seven HORNS (POWERS) This is the fullness of the spirits and powers of (ONE GOD) This is why Elohim is a uni-plural word. ONE GOD with seven distinct attributes coupled with Powers. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 12 2009,13:10) The New Testament “texts reveal 'elohim's spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of 'elohim.” Ref: New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 14, by editorial staff at the Catholic University of America, c.1967, pub. McGraw-Hill, New York
Evidence of this is indicted in what the Angel told Mary concerning her upcoming pregnancy: “And the Angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you ….'” (Luke 1:35; see also Luke 24:49 and John 20:22-23)
Some Bible verses also speak of 'elohim's Holy Spirit as being the disposition of 'elohim, either in Himself or in others.
'Elohim's disposition can take the form of wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, truth, promise, etc.: “Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God.” (1 Corinthians 2:12; see also Isaiah 11:2; John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 17:17; Genesis 22:16-18)
The idea of the Holy Spirit being part of a “G-dhead” was not in the minds of the earliest Church members.
The place and character which the Holy Spirit now possesses in Christianity can be credited to the Cappadocians.
Ref: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Vol. 15,
It is apparent that the Holy Spirit is not a person as implied by the personal pronoun “he” in some scripture (see John 14:17, KJV), but a power, or force, as correctly indicated by the imprsonal “it” in Romans: “The Spirit itself beareth witness ….” (Romans 8:16, KJV)
While it can be said that the Holy Spirit reflects personality (that of Yahovah and all who display His attributes), it is obvious, from scriptural research, that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person. I posted a sound refutation of this previously.For someone who makes an unbiased reading of the Scriptures (which shouldn't be that hard if Sola Scriptura is supposed to work), references to the Holy Spirit's Personhood leap off the page. For example, Paul speaks of it being possible to grieve the Holy Spirit: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption” (Eph. 4:30). Of course, it is not possible to offend or displease impersonal forces.
Paul speaks of the Holy Spirit as knowing the thoughts of God-indicating that the Spirit has an intellect: “For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God” (1 Cor. 2:11).
He also speaks of the Holy Spirit exercising the faculty of will, as in the distribution of spiritual gifts: “All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills” (1 Cor. 12:11).
Scripture also teaches that the Holy Spirit serves as a Paraclete (Greek parakletos) on our behalf. This term, often translated as “Comforter,” “Counselor,” “Advocate,” or “Helper,” refers to a person who is called or summoned to aid one, especially in legal settings, where he serves as an advisor, or advocate for the accused.
Jesus repeatedly speaks of the Holy Spirit as a Paraclete whom he will send to help us: “The Advocate [parakletos], the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name-he will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you” (John 14:26; cf. 15:26, 16:7-8).
A facet of the Greek text not obvious in translation is that in the three verses just mentioned (and others), Jesus applies the masculine pronoun ekeinos to the Holy Spirit. The personal character of a paraclete is further illustrated by the fact that Jesus also serves as our Paraclete before the Father: “My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an Advocate [parakletos] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1)
There are also many passages in Scripture that refer to the Holy Spirit communicating with us-again, something an impersonal force cannot do. For example, when testifying before the Sanhedrin, the apostles refer to the Holy Spirit as their co-witness: “And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him” (Acts 5:32). Later in Acts, Paul states that the Holy Spirit testifies: “The Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me” (Acts 20:23).
This testimony sometimes came from the mouths of New Testament prophets who attributed the words directly to the Holy Spirit: “And coming to us he took Paul's girdle and bound his own feet and hands, and said, 'Thus says the Holy Spirit, “So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this girdle and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles”'” (Acts 21:11; cf. 1 Tim. 4:1). Note the formula “Thus says the Holy Spirit” is modeled on the frequent prophetic formula “Thus says the Lord”-indicating not only the Spirit's Personhood but also directly equating him with Yahweh.
Sometimes even the biblical books' narrative directly quotes the Holy Spirit. In Revelation we read, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying, 'Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.' 'Blessed indeed,' says the Spirit, 'that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!'” (Rev. 14:13).
If it were objected that this quotation is found in a book of prophecy, which often uses figurative language, the topper is Acts 13:2:”While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, 'Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”
The doctrinal force of this passage is unavoidable. Here we have a direct quotation of the Holy Spirit-not in a prophetic book, not in the mouth of a prophet, not in a parable, not told by a character in a historical book. We have the Holy Spirit directly quoted by the narrative of a historical book-just like the other real persons who speak in the book. And the same thing happens in Acts 8:29 and 10:19.
Even if one tried to explain away all of Scripture's other personal references to the Holy Spirit as somehow being symbols or figures of speech, the direct quotation of an individual in the narrative of a historical book unmistakably shows that the individual in question is a real, literal person, not just a force or symbol.
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Quote (CatholicApologist @ Nov. 13 2009,01:56) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 12 2009,13:10) The New Testament “texts reveal 'elohim's spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of 'elohim.” Ref: New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 14, by editorial staff at the Catholic University of America, c.1967, pub. McGraw-Hill, New York
Evidence of this is indicted in what the Angel told Mary concerning her upcoming pregnancy: “And the Angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you ….'” (Luke 1:35; see also Luke 24:49 and John 20:22-23)
Some Bible verses also speak of 'elohim's Holy Spirit as being the disposition of 'elohim, either in Himself or in others.
'Elohim's disposition can take the form of wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, truth, promise, etc.: “Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God.” (1 Corinthians 2:12; see also Isaiah 11:2; John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 17:17; Genesis 22:16-18)
The idea of the Holy Spirit being part of a “G-dhead” was not in the minds of the earliest Church members.
The place and character which the Holy Spirit now possesses in Christianity can be credited to the Cappadocians.
Ref: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Vol. 15,
It is apparent that the Holy Spirit is not a person as implied by the personal pronoun “he” in some scripture (see John 14:17, KJV), but a power, or force, as correctly indicated by the imprsonal “it” in Romans: “The Spirit itself beareth witness ….” (Romans 8:16, KJV)
While it can be said that the Holy Spirit reflects personality (that of Yahovah and all who display His attributes), it is obvious, from scriptural research, that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person. I posted a sound refutation of this previously.
Hi CAGood to see you back!
Yes, you are right. An amorphous force or power cannot be blashemed or lied to or grieved or show love!
Blessings Keith
Hi CA,
Implication is individual and and logic too and neither have never been any form of proof
The Spirit proceeds from God.
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