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Hi GB,
God does, and we do not judge God.
Neither do we misapply scriptures written about them to the gentiles.Context
Rom11
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
1 Cor. 15:22 “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
All that die Nick, will be made alive, resurrected. Notice that we don't even die for our sins now, we die in Adam, we have inherited the death curse. Only after we are resurrected and refuse to hear that prophet, Acts 3:23, will we be destroyed for ever.
Notice this next scripture.Acts 24:15 “And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, BOTH OF THE JUST AND UNJUST.”
All that die will live again, regardless of who they were, or what they did.
Georg
Hi Georg,
All in Christ shall be made alive speaks of the first resurrection-only those who are in him will see that day.There will be a second resurrection for the nations.
All will be raised, but not as one.
Acts 3
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Indeed the Lord who is the Spirit will come to all who repent and live in them. That Spirit of Christ in us, the prophet of God, is our hope of glory. That abiding Spirit will raise us to be with him in the millenium.
But opportunities to repent are now, not then.
Nick
There is a first resurrection, but 1 Cor. 15:22 is not speaking of that. Paul says all die in Adam, not only believers.
1 Tim. 2:6 “Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
Christ died for all mankind, for those that never heard of him, and for those that now reject him.
We are not now living in a time, where the knowledge of the Lord covers the earth, as the waters cover the sea, Hab. 2:14.
The millennium will be the due time to teach all others, as they are resurrected,
all in their own order, 1Cor. 15:23.Georg
Hi Georg,
In context 1 Cor 15
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Unless ALL MEN are in Christ, and you know that is not true,
then what is written above refers to the FIRST RESURRECTION into the Millenium.Then comes the END, the scond resurrection and the judgement, and the restored kingdom is delivered to the Father. No second chance for repentance after death is written though men hopefully surmise this.
Lk13
2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Nick, as I said it before, you think a lot of scriptures will make your case, it does not, in fact I think you are trying to confuse the issue.
It doesn't say all have to be in Christ, have all that are dead been in Adam?
Made alive in Christ means, because he died for us we can live again. He has taken our sins from us, all of us, those that have died before him, and those that have died since. If you believe that not all will be resurrected, than how can you be sure he died for all, and how can you be sure he forgave you all your sins?
If the second resurrection is after the millennium, how will all those dead get their name into the book of life? Are we not saved by faith?Rev. 20:15 “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”.
Paul had asked the same question.
Rom. 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
v. 14 “How then shall they call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?”
Because;
v. 17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Rom. 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”That is how and when those who never heard the name “Jesus”, and those who rejected him now, will have a chance to get their name into the book of life. That “IS” what the millennium, Christ’s thousand-year reign is for.
It is during this period that the scripture Acts 3:23 applies.Georg
Hi Gerg,
Salvation is all about being reborn into Christ.
If you think this is the natural fate of all men then we cannot dialogue.Hi Georg,
No mention in scripture of men getting into the kingdom by education in the millenium.
We should not add to what is written should we?Hi Georg,
God's recording of the names of men in the book of life is His business.
Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.Certainly we can enter the kingdom through Jesus and we are urged to seek it in Heb4.
Jesus died for all,
but all do not accept that redemption through obedient faithNick………NO man CAN come to Christ UNLESS the FATHER DRAW or Drag HIM. It has nothing to do with the Persons own Will but it is GOD who causes repentance not man. As it Scripture plainly shows.
Hi GB,
Your robot analogy is getting tired and insults the work of the brave servants of God's gospel.Nick, what do you think these scripture mean?
Hab. 2:14 “For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”
Zeph. 3:9 “For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.”The earth shall be filled, get it, shall be, future, with the understanding of the Lord. This is not happening now. Look at all the different religions we have today; look at all the different denomination within the Christian religion. How can any one be sure of what is truth?
In the millennium Christ will teach nothing but the truth, that will be the time when people will learn nothing but the truth, and by obeying the truth they will get their name into the book of life.
Every one will have about a 100 years.Is. 65:20 (from the N I V Bible) “ Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed”.
What this is saying is; it does not matter whether you will be resurrected as a child or as an old man, the time given to either be the same. And it is during this time, the millennium, when this next scripture applies.
Acts 3:23 “ And it shall come to pass, every soul, which will not hear that prophet (Jesus), shall be destroyed from among the people”.
It will not be a matter of cannot hear, understand, it will be a matter of will not hear. And that is exactly what the last “ day of the Lord “ pictures.
Mal. 4:1 “ For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of host, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch”.
Rev. 20:15 “ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”.Destroyed for ever.
Georg
Quote (Irene @ Aug. 06 2008,21:31) Nick, what do you think these scripture mean? Hab. 2:14 “For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”
Zeph. 3:9 “For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.”The earth shall be filled, get it, shall be, future, with the understanding of the Lord. This is not happening now. Look at all the different religions we have today; look at all the different denomination within the Christian religion. How can any one be sure of what is truth?
In the millennium Christ will teach nothing but the truth, that will be the time when people will learn nothing but the truth, and by obeying the truth they will get their name into the book of life.
Every one will have about a 100 years.Is. 65:20 (from the N I V Bible) “ Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed”.
What this is saying is; it does not matter whether you will be resurrected as a child or as an old man, the time given to either be the same. And it is during this time, the millennium, when this next scripture applies.
Acts 3:23 “ And it shall come to pass, every soul, which will not hear that prophet (Jesus), shall be destroyed from among the people”.
It will not be a matter of cannot hear, understand, it will be a matter of will not hear. And that is exactly what the last “ day of the Lord “ pictures.
Mal. 4:1 “ For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of host, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch”.
Rev. 20:15 “ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”.Destroyed for ever.
Georg
Hi Georg,
So there are no scriptures that say all men will resurrected during the millenium.There will be those of the nations remaining and Christ, the King of all their kings, will rule the earth from Jerusalem. Yes all enemies will be destroyed and accidents and diseases being abolished will mean that natural life will be improved for all men.
Will King Jesus be also fully involved as the teacher of the pagan nations? I doubt it. As with all teaching unless there is enthusiasm to learn, learning is unlikely, and it is more likely anyway to be done by his servant teachers, as Jesus will have many servants to carry out his commands in all areas. The only outpouring of such grace on men is towards the Jews as in Jl2.
So the earth indeed will be much more filled with truth than now but natural men will remain natural men, still prone to rebellion as Ps 2 and rev 20 show.
Nick, good morning, you are an early bird too, hah?
Yes there are scriptures that say, all will be resurrected.
Job 14:14 “ If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait (in the grave), till my change come (the resurrection).”
v. 15 “ Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee, thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.”
1 Cor. 15:22 “ For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
v. 23 “But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.”
John 5:28 “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the
graves shall hear his voice.”
v. 29 “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they
that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”For many people that have done great evil to others, it may very well be a resurrection of damnation. All will be resurrected with the same thinking, the same attitudes as when they died, and that may be what will prevent them to repent.
Did not Jesus say, that Sodom and Gomor'rha would have an easier time in the resurrection than the Israelites? Mat. 10:15. So, yes, Jesus died for them and all pagan nation, they are all God's children and God is no respecter of person.
Remember too, Satan will be locked up during that time.Georg
Hi Georg,
Yes all will be raised, in the two resurrections separated by the millenial kingdom[rev20]The second resurrection is according to mercy-the merciful shall see God. No man deserves salvation in facing this judgement of the nations but Our loving God has chosen to see some as sheep and not goats.
Actually Jesus told us judgement is rather according to righteousness stemming from belief in him, not sin[Jn16] All sin including the sons of God. Universal salvation is not a teaching of Jesus or the apostles
God will judge no man, Nick.
John 5:22 “For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son”.
But you see, judgment is not just sentencing some one. Before a verdict is reached, there is a trial.
Based on the evidence presented, the books that were written, recording the progress during the 100 years or the lack of it, a verdict is reached, eternal life, or eternal death.
How else could the majority of people get their name into the book of life?Georg
Hi Georg,
You are right that judgement is given to the SonMt5
7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Progress??
Self perfection??Whoever wants to save his own life will lose it.
No the judgement the nations face after the second resurrection if their names are not found written in the book of life or the book of remembrance [Mal3] etc, is shown to be according to their works done towards the body of Christ.[Mt25]
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