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Ncik……..if its faulty human logic, please show it faulty then. instead of making snide remarks produce you evidence of better understanding
But to close you mouth, Heres one..> try the spirits to see if they are of God. Please tell us how thats done and what is meant by that statement. “O” here's another one what Knows a man except for the spirit in Him, seams that intellect is implied in both of these i can give you more if you want., but you have shown that contradicts what i said.
Hi GB,
Sorry but you cannot offer inferences using logic.Please show us ONE SCRIPTURE that says what you claim.
SPIRIT IS INTELLECTIf you cannot then please retrace your steps to reliance on scripture.
Nick……..I just did, now show us where it isn't intellect. You Just want to be contrary it has nothing to do with truth at all. If you don't know what word mean the that not our fault it you problem. Look up what a word is, that should give you a clue.
Hi GB,
One verse to start with.
Then we will look for supporting ones.
Otherwise your whole dogma is reliant on human wisdom.Hi brothers,
We have gone away from the topic “the Holy Spirit”, enough is enough. Please come back.
Peace to all
AdamNick….lets put 2and 2 together, do this one thing look up the meaning of the word (WORD) and see if intellect is there, and if it is, then when Jesus said the words (were) spirit . then simple put it together, and there it is your answer. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,04:22) Nick……..I just did, now show us where it isn't intellect. You Just want to be contrary it has nothing to do with truth at all. If you don't know what word mean the that not our fault it you problem. Look up what a word is, that should give you a clue.
Hi GBGod is Spirit!
God is not intellect. Intellect comes from God.
God does not come from intellect.
Man is Spirit born from the Father of Spirits. Intellect comes form the mans Spirit or it comes from the carnal mind.
For that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
The Spirit is not intellect, nor is the mind (flesh) intellect.
Yes it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that God who is Spirit is the source of all intellect and not the product of intellect.
Words or intellect do not have power or life until they are spoken by the Spirit.
Therefore Spirit is superior to intellect. For words are an expression of the Spirit and not the other way around.
WJ
WJ….so are you saying God is Stupid and void of intellect? I see Him as superior intellect and if we say he is and He is Spirit according to Jesus, then God is indeed intellect also. Tell me where i ever said thats all God was. But all his spirits are expression of intellects of some kind even His powers are expression of His intellect.
that all i meant by saying spirit is intellect. because words are spirit according to Jesus and if word are and words are expressions of intellect like it say they are then spirit is indeed intellect also. When it says to try the spirits what are we trying if not the words some one is saying to determine if they are of God. You cannot seperate intellect from Spirit it impossible.
IMO…….. gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:06) WJ….so are you saying God is Stupid and void of intellect? I see Him as superior intellect and if we say he is and He is Spirit according to Jesus, then God is indeed intellect also. Tell me where i ever said thats all God was. But all his spirits are expression of intellects of some kind even His powers are expression of His intellect. that all i meant by saying spirit is intellect. because words are spirit according to Jesus and if word are and words are expressions of intellect like it say they are then spirit is indeed intellect also. When it says to try the spirits what are we trying if not the words some one is saying to determine if they are of God. You cannot seperate intellect from Spirit it impossible.
IMO…….. gene
GBMaybe you didnt understand my post.
Here I will post it again.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,04:22) Nick……..I just did, now show us where it isn't intellect. You Just want to be contrary it has nothing to do with truth at all. If you don't know what word mean the that not our fault it you problem. Look up what a word is, that should give you a clue.
Hi GBGod is Spirit!
God is not intellect. Intellect comes from God.
God does not come from intellect.
Man is Spirit born from the Father of Spirits. Intellect comes form the mans Spirit or it comes from the carnal mind.
For that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
The Spirit is not intellect, nor is the mind (flesh) intellect.
Yes it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that God who is Spirit is the source of all intellect and not the product of intellect.
Words or intellect do not have power or life until they are spoken by the Spirit.
Therefore Spirit is superior to intellect. For words are an expression of the Spirit and not the other way around.
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God is not inlellect, HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE (OR INTELLECT) FOR ALL WISDOM AND KNOWLEDE IS IN HIM.
**In whom are hid** all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Col 2:3
INTELLECT HAS NO LIFE OR POWER UNTIL IT IS SPOKEN BY THE SPIRIT.
THEREFORE INTELLECT IS NOT SPIRIT.
The written words or intellect as you would call them, in the Bible are dead until the Spirit gives them life.
WJ
Wj….> then i geuss Jesus was lying when he said the words (ARE) Spirit. If we believe intellect comes from God then how does it come from God is it not by Spirit> Tell us How do you try Spirits then if not by words a person speaks, they proceed from the spirit in Him.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2008,03:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,04:22) Nick……..I just did, now show us where it isn't intellect. You Just want to be contrary it has nothing to do with truth at all. If you don't know what word mean the that not our fault it you problem. Look up what a word is, that should give you a clue.
Hi GBGod is Spirit!
God is not intellect. Intellect comes from God.
God does not come from intellect.
Man is Spirit born from the Father of Spirits. Intellect comes form the mans Spirit or it comes from the carnal mind.
For that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
The Spirit is not intellect, nor is the mind (flesh) intellect.
Yes it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that God who is Spirit is the source of all intellect and not the product of intellect.
Words or intellect do not have power or life until they are spoken by the Spirit.
Therefore Spirit is superior to intellect. For words are an expression of the Spirit and not the other way around.
WJ
BTW GBWhere is the word “Intellect” found in the scriptures?
My guess is like the term “cause and effect” it is not in the scriptures.
Not even the definition of the Hebrew word “dabar” or the Greek word “logos” has the word “intellect in them.
The definition of “intellect” is the power to reason.
It is not a word or knowledge or spirit.
WJ
Wj…..right and the reason is expressed in what (WORD) so look up the definition of Word and tell us what it means.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:45) Wj….> then i geuss Jesus was lying when he said the words (ARE) Spirit. If we believe intellect comes from God then how does it come from God is it not by Spirit> Tell us How do you try Spirits then if not by words a person speaks, they proceed from the spirit in Him.
GBNo. Yeshua is not a liar. It is your understanding that is not true.
The words Yeshua spoke were Spirit because they had life given by the Spirit.
Men can speak words that do not have life but minister death.
Why, because they are spoken without the life giving force of the Spirit.
Its simple. Words carry Spirit because they come from the Spirit. Spirit is not born from words or intellect.
WJ
WJ…..and the word Causes is all over scripture and the oblivious result is effect. So don't give me that cause and effect is not scriptural. Here one just on of many, “For He (God) causes all thing to work together for the good of them that Love Him. I can give you a long list of cause and effects if you want and if it would convenience you.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:48) Wj…..right and the reason is expressed in what (WORD) so look up the definition of Word and tell us what it means.
GBI have. And none of the scholars indicate that “Word or Words” are intellect.
in·tel·lect [ ínt'l èkt ] (plural in·tel·lects)
noun
Definition:
1. mental ability: somebody's ability to think, reason, and understand
appeals to the intellect rather than the emotions
a highly developed intellect2. intelligent person: a very intelligent and knowledgeable person
some of the greatest intellects of the period
Encarta® World English Dictionaryintellect
• noun 1 the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively. 2 a person’s mental powers. 3 a clever person.
— ORIGIN Latin intellectus ‘understanding’.
Compact Oxford English dictionary
WJ
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:54) WJ…..and the word Causes is all over scripture and the oblivious result is effect. So don't give me that cause and effect is not scriptural. Here one just on of many, “For He (God) causes all thing to work together for the good of them that Love Him. I can give you a long list of cause and effects if you want and if it would convenience you.
GB
Yes, and the scriptures say Yeshua is God. So dont give me that Yeshua is not God for the scriptures say he is.
Your definition of cause and effect is that no created thing has a choice but that it is a slave and is controlled by cause, no exceptions.
Yet men can have more than one cause and choose to follow either or, therefore the effect is based on a mans free will to choose as scriptures clearly teach.
WJ
WJ….Men only chose from what already in them, that is the cause that drives there choices and there fore is NOT (FREE), FREE means something that is not affected by (ANY) influence of (ANY) kind. Mans WILL is effected by whats already in Him and the is the cause that causes His choices, come on you know that. The word free will is not in scriptures, because there is not such thing as (FREE) WILL. Even God”s WILL causes Him to do things, “for He works all things after the council of his own WILL. To repeat there is no such thing as (FREE WILLS) all wills are influenced by something.
Regarding the word God that is a relative term and can be applied to all kind of people as proved here many times, Yes Jesus could be a God, but is He the One and ONLY true God He talked about (NO) he is NOT. He is his son.
peace to you……….gene
imo….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:37) WJ….Men only chose from what already in them, that is the cause that drives there choices and there fore is NOT (FREE), FREE means something that is not affected by (ANY) influence of (ANY) kind. Mans WILL is effected by whats already in Him and the is the cause that causes His choices, come on you know that. The word free will is not in scriptures, because there is not such thing as (FREE) WILL. Even God”s WILL causes Him to do things, “for He works all things after the council of his own WILL. To repeat there is no such thing as (FREE WILLS) all wills are influenced by something. Regarding the word God that is a relative term and can be applied to all kind of people as proved here many times, Yes Jesus could be a God, but is He the One and ONLY true God He talked about (NO) he is NOT. He is his son.
peace to you……….gene
imo….gene
GBYour definition of free will is false and is not found in any dictionary.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:37)
WJ….Men only chose from what already in them, that is the cause that drives there choices and there fore is NOT (FREE), FREE means something that is not affected by (ANY) influence of (ANY) kind. Mans WILL is effected by whats already in Him and the is the cause that causes His choices, come on you know that. The word free will is not in scriptures, because there is not such thing as (FREE) WILL. Even God”s WILL causes Him to do things, “for He works all things after the council of his own WILL. To repeat there is no such thing as (FREE WILLS) all wills are influenced by something.Regarding the word God that is a relative term and can be applied to all kind of people as proved here many times, Yes Jesus could be a God, but is He the One and ONLY true God He talked about (NO) he is NOT. He is his son.
peace to you……….gene
imo….gene
GB
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:37) “for He works all things after the council of his own WILL. To repeat there is no such thing as (FREE WILLS) all wills are influenced by something. Yes, they are influenced not controlled by either good or evil!
Which one do you freely choose?
WJ…..Show me (ONE) FREE WILL choice you Have made then. Let talk about that one FREE WILL Choice. Remember to be (FREE) means to be Free of any influences, or its not Free.
FREE Will…..a human will acting spontaneously, or without external compulsion, pressure, or influence.
b.. power of the human will (denied by determinists and predestinarians) to choose, either without any motive, or from motives created by the will itself.WJ……can you say you choose, either without any motive, or from no motives created by the will itself, then you do have a (FREE) WILL even though no one else does.
And you have disproved Scientist and Psychologist and Socrates Himself even though no one has been able to disprove it since 500 BC when Socrates discovered and expounded it.
So congratulations are in order for all “Religionest” who have disproved all Science and psychologist and Socrates and all great scholars for the last 2500 years. who say there is no effect with out something causing it to happen.
Please give us one example of that if you can.
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