Terrarica, mike, Proclaimer

[carmel]

Ed wrote:

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I personally believe we were all preexistant Angels, that is except Jesus Christ. And only a third were considered “fallen”.

First of all this is my last post in this thread!

EDj,

Correction!!!

The fallen angels were those who saw the daughters of men and sinned and became humans and went with the daughters of men and giants were born !

This happened millions of years after Lucifer rebbeled and entered a justified war,from Lucifer's point of veiw, for manhood.

We were those rebbellious angels who supported Lucifer, which is a complete different story from the FALLEN ANGELS WHO SINNED!!!

God accepted Lucifer's opposition.
 
This was a predestined aspect from God.

It was his design to achieve His kingdom between those who were loyal to God, and those who rebelled.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Proclaimer]

Carmel, you can post by all means, but not off topic. It would have been better (but not perfect) to make a link to an appropriate topic, rather than try and get the last word in. Please shift this conversation to its own topic or a related existing one.
Thanks.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2012,21:11)

Back to the actual topic: Do mike, t8 and Pierre only agree on the 3 (or 4) things we have listed?

I'm sure we agree on millions of things, David.

1. God created the world.
2. God created angels.
3. God created mankind.
4. God never lies.
5. God is great.
6. God is good.
7. We should thank Him for our food.

When are you going to make your point?

[Ed J]

Hi Guys,

What's your views on “baptism” water or spiritual?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,05:06)

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2012,21:11) Back to the actual topic: Do mike, t8 and Pierre only agree on the 3 (or 4) things we have listed? I'm sure we agree on millions of things, David.   1.  God created the world. 2.  God created angels. 3.  God created mankind. 4.  God never lies. 5.  God is great. 6.  God is good. 7.  We should thank Him for our food.   When are you going to make your point?

I agree with all of them

[terraricca]

there is ;

1) only one God

2) only one son

3) only one way to be saved

4) Christ the son was the first of God's creation

5) only God his the source of truth

how is this

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Do you believe Jesus was made/created before everything else like Mike does,
and that Jesus was used to make/create every thing else like Mike does?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,06:25)

Hi Pierre, Do you believe Jesus was made/created before everything else like Mike does, and that Jesus was used to make/create every thing else like Mike does? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

yep;

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

[Lightenup]

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2012,22:11)

Hi Kathy. Sorry.  You responded perfectly.  One quick sentence.  I shouldn't have included your name.   Back to the actual topic: Do mike, t8 and Pierre only agree on the 3 (or 4) things we have listed?

Thanks David for realizing this. It's all good.

[david]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2012,11:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,05:06) Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2012,21:11) Back to the actual topic: Do mike, t8 and Pierre only agree on the 3 (or 4) things we have listed? I'm sure we agree on millions of things, David.   1.  God created the world. 2.  God created angels. 3.  God created mankind. 4.  God never lies. 5.  God is great. 6.  God is good. 7.  We should thank Him for our food.   When are you going to make your point? I agree with all of them

Ok, we can add that you all believe in God and think he is great. I think at may have been covered in one of the other posts.

Since you clearly agree on a lot of things, at last 4 or 5, maybe it would be easier to discuss or list the few things you don't agree on.

If Pierre and mike or t8 have ever had conversations, it pretty much mans they were disagreeing with one other…either that, or high fivimg one another and patting each other on the back. I haven't spent any time looking. I would think its easier for mike or t8 or Pierre to remember the things the others said that you disagreed with.

(Ed, your question is only topic related if its a comparison of mike/Pierre and t8 beliefs, not a comparison of yours and mikes, or an xplanation why mike is wrong….you may well be doing this, I don't know)

[david]

1. Organized religion is unnecessary.

2. One Almighty God, (who created everything and is great and never lies)

3. and a firstborn Son who was begotten before the ages, and later sent by his God and our God to be God's sacrificial Lamb to atone for the ever increasing sins of mankind.

This is the updated list of the things those 3 agree on.

[david]

I can't actually remember if we have determined if there is anything you don't agree on.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2012,12:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,06:25) Hi Pierre, Do you believe Jesus was made/created before everything else like Mike does, and that Jesus was used to make/create every thing else like Mike does? God bless Ed J edj yep;

Hi David,

In case you haven't noticed, I didn't tell Pierre I disagreed with this.  
Why haven't you added this to your list, OR asked T8 if he agreed?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Ed seems to think there is disagreement about this. Does mike, Pierre or t 8 disagree with either of these statements?

A. Jesus was made/created before everything else.

B. Jesus was used to make/create everything else.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,08:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2012,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,06:25) Hi Pierre, Do you believe Jesus was made/created before everything else like Mike does, and that Jesus was used to make/create every thing else like Mike does? God bless Ed J edj yep; Hi David, In case you haven't noticed, I didn't tell Pierre I disagreed with this.   Why haven't you added this to your list, OR asked T8 if he agreed? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Sorry fellow,but I covered my selve by quoting Col:1-15-19 or so, What you say is meaningless ,

[Ed J]

Well, since you asked,

Mathew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye
shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
2 Tm.2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth
faithful: he(God) cannot deny himself.

“God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101.
I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding.
Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you.
There is no inconsistencies with the rest of “The Bible” viewing Col.1:12-20 in the light of my view. (Eph.5:13)

Col.1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light (Romans 8:17):
13: Who (YHVH our God) hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son(switching to object):
14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15: Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(YHVH), the firstborn of every creature:
16: For by him(YHVH)(switching back to the subject) were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH):
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
18: And he(Jesus)(switching back to the object) is the head of the body, the church:
who is the beginning(the preeminence of God), the firstborn from the dead (Romans 1:4);
that in all things he(Jesus) might have the preeminence(over all his brethren).
19: For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus) should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his(Jesus) cross,
by him(YHVH) to reconcile all things unto himself(2Cor.5:18);
by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.

Lets now look at verse 16 and verse 17 with greater scrutiny…

16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)

Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”…

1. God's throne
2. God's dominion
3. God's principality
4. God's power
5. God himself

Can you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?

Now let's take a closer look at verse 17…

17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.

Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) is before YHVH himself?
Would 'you' have us to believe by Jesus (falsely) all things consist?
How can you reconcile this belief without saying Jesus is God?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,11:21)

Well, since you asked, Mathew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 2 Tm.2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he(God) cannot deny himself. “God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101. I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding. Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you. There is no inconsistencies with the rest of “The Bible” viewing Col.1:12-20 in the light of my view. (Eph.5:13) Col.1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light (Romans 8:17): 13: Who (YHVH our God) hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son(switching to object): 14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15: Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(YHVH), the firstborn of every creature: 16: For by him(YHVH)(switching back to the subject) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH): 17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist. 18: And he(Jesus)(switching back to the object) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning(the preeminence of God), the firstborn from the dead (Romans 1:4); that in all things he(Jesus) might have the preeminence(over all his brethren). 19: For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus) should all fulness dwell; 20: And, having made peace through the blood of his(Jesus) cross, by him(YHVH) to reconcile all things unto himself(2Cor.5:18); by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven. Lets now look at verse 16 and verse 17 with greater scrutiny… 16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11) Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”… 1. God's throne 2. God's dominion 3. God's principality 4. God's power 5. God himself Can you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion? Now let's take a closer look at verse 17… 17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist. Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) is before YHVH himself? Would 'you' have us to believe by Jesus (falsely) all things consist? How can you reconcile this belief without saying Jesus is God? Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Col 1:13 For he(GOD) has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son (Christ) he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 (continue his argument)For by him (Christ)all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him(Christ) and for him.(Christ)
Col 1:17 He(Christ) is before all things, and in him(Christ) all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he(Christ) is the head of the body, the church; he (Christ)is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he(Christ) might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his (God)fullness dwell in him (Christ),
Col 1:20 and through him (Christ)to reconcile to himself (God)all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his (Christ)blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you (gentiles)were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your(gentiles) evil behavior.
Col 1:22 But now he(God) has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you(gentiles) holy in his(God) sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Col 1:23 if you (gentiles)continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Col 1:24 Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his(Christ) body, which is the church.
Col 1:25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness.

this is my understanding to those verses ,and they are the truth ,the deadly truth

[david]

ED!!!

TERRICA!!!

You are both incredibly bad at self control. I know that you both understand what this thread is about because I EXPLAINED IN 4 times.

Respect for others

Self control

These are good traits Why do you hate them?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,22:01)

Does mike, Pierre or t 8 disagree with either of these statements? A. Jesus was made/created before everything else. B. Jesus was used to make/create everything else.

I agree with “A”.

I'm not sure about the wording of “B”.  It seems to imply that Jesus was a “hands on co-creator”, which isn't specifically stated in any scripture.  I believe GOD, alone and by Himself, created all things THROUGH Jesus.

Was Jesus' role like that of a prism, through which light can be refracted, but doesn't physically do any of the refracting?  I don't know. (And perhaps that's not the best example I could have used.)

What I know is that scripture says God – ALONE AND BY HIMSELF – created all things THROUGH Jesus.

[mikeboll64]

Pierre and Ed,

Please stick to the topic of the thread.

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