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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 21 2009,13:47) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 20 2009,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 20 2009,10:05) 942767…………My point was to Nick, Jesus never said that (Paul) Did , i know it the truth i and not say it is not true, I think you misunderstood my point. peace…………………gene
Hi Gene:It is not a different gospel. The gospel is fulfilled in Jesus
942767……..The gospel is about the Kingdom of GOD not about Jesus it is about GOD the FATHERS KINGDOM. Jesus was the messenger sent by God to proclaim the KINGDOM OF GOD and He preached ti also. Most today preach Jesus and Push GOD the Father completely out of the Picture something Jesus never did. He was constantly speaking about the Father But Most today Hardly even mention the Fathers Name. They Have turned Jesus into the Father and are committing IDOLATRY, and don't even know it. 94 if your are going to be a Bishop , never stop praising the Father, be the Same way Jesus was always Glorifying the FATHER , saying (I) Jesus have Glorified YOU (the FATHER) on the earth. Remember GOD Said you shall have (NO) other GOD”S besides me, People today have replaced the FATHER with Jesus , Something Jesus never did. This is exactly what the trinity does it creates another GOD, we must make sure we are not doing that. Remember 94, there is only ONE TRUE GOD, and one moderator between Him and us (THE MAN) Jesus the anointed.love and peace to you and yours……………..gene
Hi Gene:This is what God has said:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
To 'have the Son,' means that you know and understand that the Son was nothing without God. 'Having the Son' means that you know that as Jesus had the Father's Spirit, we need the Father's Spirit also. The Son is the EXAMPLE that we need the Father. Jesus is proof that YHWH can make a man righteous through the use of planning and giving of His Spirit.
What Gene says is so true, whenever I step into a church I feel VERY uncomfortable because most everyone worships Jesus as God, and when they speak of God you know they are thinking of Jesus. I don't ever hear anything about the Father. Gene is correct, the majority of Christians are idolaters.
Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 21 2009,14:44) To 'have the Son,' means that you know and understand that the Son was nothing without God. 'Having the Son' means that you know that as Jesus had the Father's Spirit, we need the Father's Spirit also. The Son is the EXAMPLE that we need the Father. Jesus is proof that YHWH can make a man righteous through the use of planning and giving of His Spirit. What Gene says is so true, whenever I step into a church I feel VERY uncomfortable because most everyone worships Jesus as God, and when they speak of God you know they are thinking of Jesus. I don't ever hear anything about the Father. Gene is correct, the majority of Christians are idolaters.
Hi Jodi:I don't worship Jesus as God. There is only “ONE GOD” who is worshiped as God, but there is only one way to be reconciled to God and that is through Our Lord Jesus.
Quote Jhn 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Quote (942767 @ Jan. 20 2009,19:55) Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 21 2009,14:44) To 'have the Son,' means that you know and understand that the Son was nothing without God. 'Having the Son' means that you know that as Jesus had the Father's Spirit, we need the Father's Spirit also. The Son is the EXAMPLE that we need the Father. Jesus is proof that YHWH can make a man righteous through the use of planning and giving of His Spirit. What Gene says is so true, whenever I step into a church I feel VERY uncomfortable because most everyone worships Jesus as God, and when they speak of God you know they are thinking of Jesus. I don't ever hear anything about the Father. Gene is correct, the majority of Christians are idolaters.
Hi Jodi:I don't worship Jesus as God. There is only “ONE GOD” who is worshiped as God, but there is only one way to be reconciled to God and that is through Our Lord Jesus.
Quote Jhn 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi Marty,I know you don't worship Jesus as God. So many, many people do though, it is the dominant false gospel. Very few people know the truth, this is why it seems obvious to me that now could not be the time of most people's salvation.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 21 2009,14:55) Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 21 2009,14:44) To 'have the Son,' means that you know and understand that the Son was nothing without God. 'Having the Son' means that you know that as Jesus had the Father's Spirit, we need the Father's Spirit also. The Son is the EXAMPLE that we need the Father. Jesus is proof that YHWH can make a man righteous through the use of planning and giving of His Spirit. What Gene says is so true, whenever I step into a church I feel VERY uncomfortable because most everyone worships Jesus as God, and when they speak of God you know they are thinking of Jesus. I don't ever hear anything about the Father. Gene is correct, the majority of Christians are idolaters.
Hi Jodi:I don't worship Jesus as God. There is only “ONE GOD” who is worshiped as God, but there is only one way to be reconciled to God and that is through Our Lord Jesus.
Quote Jhn 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I agree 94 and he remains for us our Master, Lord, advocate, teacher and the head of our church.Hi,
Acts 4:12
“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 21 2009,14:44) To 'have the Son,' means that you know and understand that the Son was nothing without God. 'Having the Son' means that you know that as Jesus had the Father's Spirit, we need the Father's Spirit also. The Son is the EXAMPLE that we need the Father. Jesus is proof that YHWH can make a man righteous through the use of planning and giving of His Spirit. What Gene says is so true, whenever I step into a church I feel VERY uncomfortable because most everyone worships Jesus as God, and when they speak of God you know they are thinking of Jesus. I don't ever hear anything about the Father. Gene is correct, the majority of Christians are idolaters.
Jodi………They say they don't worship Jesus as a God , yet that all the talk about , they treat the Father like He doesn't even exist. These are them that shall come to Jesus and say “in your Name we did all these works” , and well they do. Also these are those who saying i am He (the Christ) and deceive many , Preaching Jesus they deceive Many. If they were of GOD they would Preach the Power of GOD and be giving the FATHER the GLORY as Jesus was always doing. These are IDOLATERS turning Jesus in a GOD as 2 Thes, says. IMOlove and peace to you and your Jodi……………..gene
GB,
Idolaters now? Deceivers?
Do you have any more stones you wish to throw as we get blessed when you do?Nick…….Anyone who places Jesus as a GOD is and Idolater and a deceiver if you don't know that by now then you don't Know scripture nor what Jesus warned us about, These Deceivers would be Preaching Christ and deceive many, Nearly all religion now days is about Jesus and hardly ever about the Father, look at your own Posts and see How many times You even mention the Father, why is that Nick. You want us to believe you are of GOD but for some reason never hardly mention His name , Go back and read Jesus' words and see what i am talking about He never stopped talking about the Father. Why do you and some other never talk about the Father like Jesus did Nick, why is that. Even though you say you don't believe in the trinity , yet you never mention the FATHER, its only Jesus you talk about why is that Nick, Jesus cant save you, ONLY GOD the FATHER CAN, and if you truly believed Jesus you would be talking about the GOD He talked about all the time. So while you profess GOD you certainly Hardly ever talking about HIM. The same as all trinitarians do. IMO
love and peace……………………gene
'GB,
Then we have some esteemed company.Acts 3:20
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Acts 17:18
Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.Do you not preach Jesus?
Nick……….That all you Preach, what Happened to the FATHER did you through Him out of you teachings seem you did, You can Preach Jesus tell you blue in the face and it won't save a anyone, and if you truly Preached Christ ypu would be always preaching the FATHER because that what Jesus Preached . Jesus said (MANY) would come Preaching HIM and DECEIVE MANY, if your religion is about Jesus Then He is your GOD and you are deceiving people, better to preach What He preached and His preaching was (NOT) about HIMSELF, as you suppose, but was about HIS FATHER AND OUR FATHER It time we start preaching like Jesus did and turn all mens hearts to the FATHER the WAY JESUS DID> Jesus said plainly for if I seek my glory it is nothing, and again “I have GLORIED YOU ON THE EARTH”, who do you think we should GLORIFY NICK? I thought you were a follower of Jesus , and He was your master then, Why is the FATHER Never hardly spoken of Here , Nick , tell us.IMO
love and peace…………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 22 2009,16:30) GB,
Should we not follow the example of the apostles and rather design our own gospel?
NH.
This must be your design, “the one eternal gospel for all”. You preach this gospel constantly, but never explain what is in it. It certainly isn't in any bible!!!NIck…………….No we would rather have you tell us what it is. because what i have read you don't seem to teach, accurately. Perhaps you Gospel is different then what is written Nick, would like to Hear it. Seems in your mind it's all about the messenger not about what he said. But Just about Him. Please inform us Nick. as to what your Gospel is and how it is apart from GOD the FATHER, we can recieve this GOSPEL. of Jesus you preach.
peace…………………….gene
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