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Hi TC,
You give examples to try and prove your point but they in fact do the opposite.
1 Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
As said prophets and apostles such as Paul were made by God as ministers where God gave them wisdom and words of truth to then GIVE to us. Paul received what would have been a mystery had God not shared it, and thus it would be a mystery to us if Paul didn’t receive it to share it. Paul goes onto REVEAL the mystery, so that it is no longer a mystery, that the Gentiles are likewise partakers of the hope of glory through Christ. The mystery REVEALED as God REVEALED it to the saints such as Paul so then Paul could share it.
You teach this passage means that you apparently are a saint, and Paul as a saint spoke in code and you as a saint can decode.
The mysteries are made manifest, they are REVEALED so that God’s word, His will is no longer hidden. TC, Paul has not given us mystery to decode.
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Paul preaches God’s WORD, he doesn’t preach codes, THIS IS NOT a CODE, it is a mystery revealed, “the Gentiles should be fellow heirs”.
TC, you give Colossians 1:26 and you have used it either deceitfully or as one totally unlearned, you talk about context of passages and paragraphs, and you don’t even apply the following verses after verse 26, very hypocritical you are. Paul didn’t go on to give a CODE he went on to REVEAL and speak what would have otherwise been a mystery had God not revealed the truth unto him.
Hi TC,
YOU: In verse 2, the phrase “we shall be like him” is pertaining to Father in verse 1. Now the Father together with his Son appears as one person in Revelation 21:3, 22-23. This means that the church shall perceive the invisible God. Does this contradict 1 Timothy 6:16)?
Again 100% RIGHT!
Confirmed by Jesus in
John14:5Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
7If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him. And you have seen him.
8Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father; and it is enough for us. 9Jesus saith to him:
Have I been so long a time with you and
have you not known me?
Philip,
he that seeth me seeth the Father also.
How sayest thou: Shew us the Father?
he that seeth me seeth the Father also. IS A CLEAR REFERENCE OF YOUR PERCEPTION TC. hereunder:
Now the Father together with his Son appears as one person in Revelation 21:3, 22-23.
Again Jesus emphatically made it clear in
John14: In that day you shall know that I am in my Father: and you in me, and I in you.
and I in YOU. A REFERENCE
WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM AS WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS!
21He that hath my commandments and keepeth them; he it is that loveth me. And he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith to him, not the Iscariot: Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself to us, and not to the world? 23Jesus answered and said to him: If any one love me, he will keep my word.
And my Father will love him and
we will come to him and will make our abode with him.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
The above is a clear reference to
JESUS CHRIST
THE FATHER EMBODIED IN JESUS CHRIST
ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD
Precisely WHEN JESUS CHRIST HAND OVER HIS KINGDOM TO THE FATHER, and
HE, AS A SPIRIT
“THE WORD” returns again in the bosom of the Father, while as an embodiment
THE SON OF MAN
would be manifested and embodied in the entire creation
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……Your misunderstanding is this , you believe Jesus is God, the Jesus we believe in, God who is Spirit was “in” the man, that man is Jesus, WHO WAS THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF king David.
Rev 22:16….I Jesus have sent my angel or messenger (John) to testify unto you theses things in the Churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,
1 Titus 2:5….For there is “one” God and “one”mediator between God and men, “the man” Christ (the anointed) Jesus.
John 17:3….And this is eternal life, that they might know you the “only” true God, and Jesus (the anointed) who you have sent.
Now tell us is that the Jesus you believe in, and do you “really” believe his words, or adjust them to fit the Jesus , you people have created. Which is the “image” of a false Jesus, an “image” of a man turned into a God, which creates a “man of sin”….2THS 2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi TC and ALL,
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Name Israel means God PREVAILS!!
Israel will “dwell safely” because the LORD will “not remove His mercy” from David’s son, as the LORD would be a Father unto David’s son “raising him up in righteousness and directing all his ways” bringing him to obedience on the cross to wipe clean Israel’s sins.
Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name….
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Name Jesus means Jehovah is salvation!!
….Isaiah 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. 4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God. 5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 22:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. 22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father’s house.
Name Eliakim means, God raises” or “God sets up”
Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Isaiah 9:1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. 2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined….
Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased……Matthew 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say,Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Isaiah 42: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles….I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a LIGHT of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
…Isaiah 9:3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian. 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (el mighty one, god like one), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Jesus is a Wonderful Counselor a Mighty One, for he is the stem of Jesse who God rested His Spirit upon, giving him Council and Might.
Jesus is a Prince of Peace, for he is the stem of Jesse who God rested His Spirit upon making him a righteous judge.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
RECALL Isaiah 22, “I will commit thy government (authority) into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.”
Jesus is our everlasting father as he is the son of David raised from the dead given eternal life, who God declared in Psalms 8 He would give dominion of the works of His hands to. The HUMAN who God gives authority to, God likewise said that he would be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
Likewise Jesus is the Son of Man raised from the dead made an eternal high priest and a priest is known to be a father.
Judges 17:9 And Micah said unto him, Whence comest thou? And he said unto him, I am a Levite of Bethlehemjudah, and I go to sojourn where I may find a place. 10 And Micah said unto him, Dwell with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee ten shekels of silver by the year, and a suit of apparel, and thy victuals. So the Levite went in.
Judges 18:19 And they said unto him, Hold thy peace, lay thine hand upon thy mouth, and go with us, and be to us a father and a priest: is it better for thee to be a priest unto the house of one man, or that thou be a priest unto a tribe and a family in Israel?
Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Jesus given eternal life MADE a high priest, is to us an eternal father.
Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Isaiah 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
TC YOU SAID:
God is the Father and his Son—both divine and human are one God.
So does Isa 43:10 and 9:6 contradict each other? No, because in the mind God, the human Christ has always existence as if it were.
ME:
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (el mighty one, god like one), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
AND
7 Of the increase of his government (authority) and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The CHILD that is BORN is the PROMISED son of David who God by His Word promised to rest His Spirit upon him, the Spirit of Council and Might, making him an EL -Mighty One and a Wonderful Counselor. Who God by His Word promised to give David’s son eternal life and authority, having him be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the house of Judah. Who God called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT, where he was given the Spirit not by measure to preach the Gospel of peace, and to be a righteous judge.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
TC the child in Isaiah 9 is the promised son of David, HE IS NOT the One True God, he is the son of David who God had promised He would be a Father to, who God had promised He would rest His Spirit upon, call to righteousness for to be a LIGHT, who was promised to be anointed and sent to fulfill all of God’s will, learn obedience and be made our source for eternal salvation, who was promised to be made into God’s firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth where God would keep His mercy for him for evermore (Psalm 89), promised to be made a king of kings and a lord of lords ruling over the house of Jacob forever.
TC, you worship a FALSE GOD, one made by your own imagination.
My God is Jesus’s GOD, the One True God,
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO preach the gospel TO the poor; he hath sent me TO heal the brokenhearted, TO preach deliverance TO the captives, and recovering of sight TO the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 TO preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
NOT until AFTER the baptism John preached did Christ COME, the Spirit came to abode upon Jesus, AN ANOINTING, and he was SENT out TO do the WORK that Jesus declared in Luke 4 that God anointed/set him apart from all other mortal humans to do, a fulfillment of God’s word from Isaiah 61. God’s word made true in the flesh of Jesus and people were a witness, they beheld his glory as one having received of God’s Spirit not by measure, having grace and truth as he received, being the promised son of Jesse, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD.
JESUS is not the LORD, Jesus is one of the people who God says He ALONE created and gave a spirit to walk therein. Jesus is the only mortal human who God gave His Spirit without measure to, raising him up in righteousness and directing all his ways. The Spirit of God is a witness to Jesus’s human spirit that he is a Son of God, for those that are led by the Spirit are the Sons of God. Jesus left the Jordan it is said having been filled with the Spirit and Led by the Spirit.
Carmel,
Good post for those with eyes to see.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he (me: the father in verse 2) shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Me: These three scriptures compliment each other. The lamb is the temple for the Father to dwell in. God has a divine self and a human self. That human self is the Messiah, born of God as the only son of God directly through God. We become the sons of God through Christ. Gene and Jodi have never addressed Isa 9:6 no matter how many times I have asked them. They have never addressed how we can see the father when he is invisible. We see and perceive the Father through his son. They have never shown how the three scriptures above relate and compliment each other. Instead Jodi goes on a long tirade trying to justify her and Gene’s apostasy, going off the point and calling everyone that disagrees with them names. They don’t put the scriptures together and have no idea what they are talking about. .
Isa 28:14 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Me: There it is. We must put the scripture and concepts together, otherwise we come up with some stupid claims that the Messiah is just flesh and bones”.
The Messiah is SPIRIT. His body is just his temple which he and the father dwell in. We dwell in the Messiah and him in us, and thus we dwell in the father and he in us through the MessiahHebrews 5:7 WHO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Me: This means that he is no longer in the flesh.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening SPIRIT.
Now the Lord is that SPIRIT: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Me: Christ is a spirit human mind of the one holy spirit (Eph 4:4) .
Jodi and Gene,
I am not responding to your posts which could go on for another 1,000 pages.
Hi All,
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
Me: The Messiah was not made under the law with weak flesh, but was the new Adam of the new covenant with slightly different human flesh.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one (G1520) man (G444) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, (me: eph ho: by which) all have sinned:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Me: Adam did not die physically the very day he sinned. Death of a relationship with God passed upon all men by which they sin. In turn, physical death is the result of sin. Sin entered the world by the first man Adam. Although G444 can refer to mankind or a particular man, it is clear that when first used in Romans 5:12 it is referring to one man, Adam. So the second use of the word is referring to men and not woman. Spiritual death is passed on by the male gender and not the female. Eve was not yet created when the proclamation was stated of the consequences of eating of the forbidden fruit.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Me: Adam did not die physically that day but spiritually. So did Eve. So did the whole creation. For man had dominion over the animal kingdom through the spirit (Genesis 1:28).
Rom 8:18 (NKJV) For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Young’s Literal Translation
Eccl 3:19 For an event is to the sons of man, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that; and one spirit is to all, and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is (me: H1892: futility).Me: Man and beasts were all subject to death. We are all of one spirit. The holy spirit will replace the spirit of the flesh
Hi All,
Physical seed of Abraham
Both Mary and her husband Joseph had descended from David.
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/charts-maps/en/genealogy_of_jesus_chart.htmMe: But Jesus descended by way of Solomon through Mary.
WHAT IS THE CURSE OF KING JECONIAH?
Does Jeconiah’s curse disqualify Jesus as Messiah?
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/what_is_curse_of_king_jeconiah.htm
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/why_are_jesus_genealogies_in_gospels_different.htmMe: The Messiah is descended from David and Solomon in the flesh from his mother’s side. Solomon was promised that the Messiah would descend through him.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1714864/jewish/Is-the-Messiah-a-Descendant-of-King-Solomon.htmMatt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Me: So God created and provided the male chromosomes supernaturally outside of existing man to fertilize the ovum (egg) of Mary. The dead spirit nature that was not able to have a spiritual relationship was thus not passed on to the Messiah. The resulting new Adam could transfigure himself (Matt 17:2) as an adult because he was made a little lower than angels.
Psalms 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him A LITTLE LOWER THAN ANGELS…
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htmSPIRITUAL SEED OF ABRAHAM
Me: After his resurrection and glorification, he was fully the Son of God and so made so much greater than the angels,
Psalms 8:5…and hast crowned him with glory and honour
Jesus Became The Only Begotten Son of God
~AT THE RESURRECTION~
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/begotten.htmHebrews 1:4 BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANGELS, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I have begotten (me: BIRTH) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten (Colossian 1:18) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.8 But unto the Son (also a spirit) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Me: The Messiah became fully the son after his resurrection and glorification in heaven.
He is the first born from the dead. He is the first of the first fruits.
Heb 5: 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 WHO IN THE DAYS OF THE FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Me: The Messiah became a high priest when he became fully THE son of God as a spirit (human mind of the holy spirit). The church becomes sons of God through adoption by dying and resurrecting with Christ when they are baptized of the holy spirit. They become fully the adopted sons of God at their deaths, if in good stead.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence (Mark 4:31).
Truthcomber. ….1 Cor 15:45, does not say the last Adam “became” a spirit as you assume. What it is saying is this,
1 Cor 15:45……the first “man Adam” was made (by God) a living soul, the last Adam “was made “by” a quickening spirit.
The “man” Adam never changed into a spirit “being” at all, the first man Adam, after he died was “quickened” (brought back to life again) how, by the Spirit of God. You could easely have known this if you retained scriptures that show this, scriptures this that show, ADAM never stopped being a ADAM (A FLESH MAN) no scripture says that. But this is what they do say, if you can believe them, which I dought you do, because I don’t recall you people ever answering any of them.
Rom 8:11….But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised Christ from the dead shall also “quicken” ( bring back to life, what?) “your mortal bodies”, (dead bodies, how?) by his Spirit that dwells in you”.
More proof?
Rom 8:23….And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, wating for the adoption, to wittness, (what?) “the redemption” (of what?) “of our body”.
My how many scriptures you people throw out of you bibles to make your false teachings fit.
Peace and live to you all and yours……..gene
Hi All,
Matt 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Me: The seed here is the spiritual seed or of the soul. This is the same seed that was implanted in Abraham and Isaac and later David. It was the same seed that Adam later acquired after his fall (Genesis 3:15). It is the same seed that is implanted in the church members today from different races and groups of people around the world. It was a seed that grew in Christ into a great tree in Matt 13:31-32 below. It is the tree of life. It is the seed of faith. Abraham showed the greatest adherence of faith and demonstration of this seed.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed (me: of the soul of the Messiah that will be) nature of Abraham”.
Matt 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
Me: This is the river of life (John 7:38) that the dead prior to John 5:25 will grow into when they hear the voice of the Messiah calling them to eternal life.
Me: It is from this seed that grew into tree of the soul of Christ that the righteous put on new bodies.
1 Cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (Me: seed): 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body…40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
Me: It will be made in the image of the old physical, but now is celestial.
Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Hi All,
After Adam’s sin, man could not become the sons of the new Adam through the flesh but through th e soul of Christ.
In Genesis 6, the sons of Gods (angels) left their present dwelling (bodies) or angelic bodies and put on bodies of flesh. They then copulated with the human females who bore giants in physical and mental stature. The genes provide by these angels were similar to those of the first adamic race. Their offspring could produce children. This was a counterfeit of the coming race of man that the Messiah would be the Adam of. Thus, man could not be the offspring of the Messiah directly, but through the soul of the new adamic race from the second Adam.
Click the link below.
https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Jude/1/6Psalms 51:1 (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.) Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Me: king david had entered Bathsheba through human soul of David though his sperm. Bathsheba had similarly entered David
Me: They became one “flesh” or soul.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Me: The church becomes the bride of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:27, Revelation 19:7) and one like one being (soul) like the first Adam became one flesh with his wife (Genesis 2:24). This comes about directly through the soul of Christ.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Me: The spiritual seed of Abraham is not passed down or inherited generation to generation. It is implanted discriminately.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac (me: and not Ishmael) shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: TC, you worship a FALSE GOD, one made by your own imagination.
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine: and
I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM
Jodi, In the above statement: IT IS
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL THAT
ALL THINGS OF GOD ARE JESUS’ and
JESUS IS GLORIFIED IN THEM!
NOW THAT MEANS THAT
ALL THE TITLES and ATTRIBUTES OF GOD ARE ALSO
THE TITLES and ATTRIBUTES OF JESUS!
HENCE IT IS PURE TRUTH:
JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come.
And he (THE SON GOD) hath given us understanding that we may know the true God and maybe
in his true Son.
This is the true God and eternal life.
God the Father is not mentioned in scripture as
ETERNAL LIFE
ETERNAL LIFE IS A GIFT FROM GOD!
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene,
You: 1 Cor 15:45……the first “man Adam” was made (by God) a living soul, the last Adam “was made “by” a quickening spirit
Me:
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-45.htm.
All these translations have “the last Adam was made into a life given spirit” or something to that effect, not made by a life given spirit which is a lot of BS.
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
and as Camel has mentioned above:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.Gene, I really do not know why I have answered your blatant lie. I wish that you do not address me in the future.
Hi TC,
Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you,
that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
In the above scripture, it is evidently clear that
FOR GOD FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING! and it simply saying that
HE COULD HAVE HAD HIS SON BORN OF A ROCK.
He simply WAS MADE OF THE SEED OF DAVID, to qualify as the messiah, and to respect the earthly satanic process, of
MAN,WOMAN,SEX,SIN,and DEATH.
Of which process GOD THROUGH JESUS MADE VOID, and
overruled the world
AS HE NEVER USED ANY OF SUCH CORRUPTED PROCESS, the fact that four CONTAMINATED women are mentioned IN THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS THROUGH JOSEPH, STILL
HE WAS BORN SINLESS!
NOT EVEN DEATH, simply as
ON JESUS’ DEATH,
THE SON OF MAN,
GLORIFIED
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’SOUL!
JESUS, IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH,
HAD ONE BODY DEAD ON THE CROSS, and
ONE BODY ONE SUBSTANCE
GLORIFIED WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN HIS SOUL.
Thus “THE WORD” Jesus’ FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, and THE HOLY GHOST, in Jesus’SOUL
ARE NOT TWO ANYMORE but
TWO IN ONE FLESH in
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN
Well asserted in
John13:31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified; (BECAME SPIRIT, in the Holy Ghost) and God is glorified in him. ( BECAME FLESH in “THE WORD”) 32If God be glorified in him, (IN THE SON OF MAN) God also will glorify him(THE SON OF MAN) in himself: ( IN GOD) and immediately will he glorify him. (ON HIS DEATH)
Well said hereunder:
YOU: Christ is a spirit human mind of the one holy spirit (Eph 4:4)
THE HUMAN ASPECT IS “THE WORD” Jesus’FLESH, THE SON OF MAN
THE SPIRIT ASPECT IS THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’SOUL, THE SON OF GOD. The fact that
JESUS IS OF THE HOLY GHOST in Jesus’ SOUL.
As much as humans, THEIR FLESH BODY, are of THEIR SOUL,
BUILT BY “THE WORD” Jesus as a spirit, ETERNAL LIFE, ENGRAFTED in THEIR SOUL,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.Rev.13:8
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Exactly!!!
Colossians 2:8...according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Me: The father in heaven expressed himself fully in the spirit mind Christ here on earth.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
God consists of the divinity of the father and the humanity of Christ. God is the father and his son.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
On the other hand, Christ here on earth expressed his humanity fully in the father in heaven
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Carmel and TC……you both are the biggest example supporters of Satan’s biggest LIE he has fostered on all mankind. That lie is that Jesus I sent a real human being exactly like we are, that he came from somewhere else and was not truly a human being, at all but a desguised God of some kind. You have taken his lie, hook line and sinker, so he uses you as his minsters to preach the lie, to others, and those gullible like yourselves believe it. The “Doctrine of Seperation”, is beyond a doubt the biggest LIE ever told. That satanic teaching is a lie, that Seperates Jesus’ human idenity from the rest of humanity . This lie is exactly what the apostle Paul was talking about in 2Ths 2, it is the workings of Satan himself, just as it says it is, go read all of 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-12,
Verse 3…… Jesus will not return until first there comes a falling away (from the truth) that (anthropos- a human being) be (revealed), the son of predition.
Verse 4……who opposes and exalt himself, Greek, (hoop-er-ah’ee-rom-ahee) (to be exalted above measure) above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sittings in the (temple of God) Greek (ap-od-ike’-noo-mee) ( that is to be accredited , that he is God. )
Verse 6… Paul told them that they knew what was being witholden that he might be “reavealed in his time” , Jesus was declared as a God in 325 AD at the council of Necia, by the pagan Emperor Constantine. That is when the human man Jesus was declared a God.
For the rest go to 2ths2 explained. Read the rest.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi TC,
YOU: John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
In the above, Jesus was also referring to Enoch, simply as “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, JESUS’ FLESH BODY, as a spirit, was embodied in Enoch precisely His creator in his heart, and simply became THE FIRST HUMAN, THAT WALKED WITH GOD ON SATANIC EARTH and
was taken by GOD into heaven, the fact that Jesus asserted that:
no man hath ascended up to heaven,
as much as for a particular reason and IN GENERAL for the sake of God’s kingdom as HIS UNIQUE TASK and PROCEDURE, AS
THE BEGINNING of every beginning, He was EMBODIED in
THE HEART OF ALL THE FIRSTS.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel and TC,
You don’t want to apply God’s word to God’s word,
John14:5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?6Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also:
Jesus was the son of Jesse who God had said He would rest His Spirit upon , Jesus is a judge NOT by his own eyes and ears. God had said that a human would fulfill all His will, God had said that He would raise a human up in righteousness and direct all his ways and he would be for a LIGHT. ( Isaiah 11, 42, 45, 61)
TC and Carmel YOU DO NOT apply God’s word, you are in full denial of it. You are directly against the Holy Spirit, for that Spirit came to abode upon Jesus of Nazareth, one of the people who God made and gave a spirit to walk therein. That Spirit resting upon Jesus was a CALLING to righteousness where God would direct all his ways and thus he would be fully led by the Spirit and thus be a Son of God.
Jesus does not speak his words or perform his will, but he speaks God’s words and performs God’s will, such is what Jesus directly teaches you. Jesus’s is God’s messenger, he was anointed by God set apart to PREACH God’s Gospel. The works and words came from God, Jesus was to declare God and his will, so therefore when we hear Jesus and when read of the works he performed we are to know they are of God.
God chose to save us through setting apart a man, through calling a man to righteousness and directing all his ways, perfecting him by teaching him and leading him to obedience going to the cross. Without God’s will and the power of His Spirit upon a man we would all be eternal dead.
There is ONE God and it is NOT Jesus, Jesus was raised from the dead receiving PROMISE, receiving the mercies of David.
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
The purpose of the man Jesus who God anointed and sent was to bring us into faith in the One True God, to bring us into having faith in the works of God’s Spirit and what it accomplishes in a man, it makes a man into the image of the invisible God, it makes a man who is able to condemn sin in the flesh and thus not be deserving of death.
There is a REASON WHY Jesus told us to pray to our Father, Jesus’s Father and my Father, Jesus’s God and my God.
2 And he said unto them,When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
17 Jesus saith unto her,Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Those that are led by God’s Spirit are the Sons of God. The Spirit is a witness to our spirit that we are Sons of God and joint heirs with Christ. The Spirit of God directed all the ways of the mortal human Jesus, that is how Jesus was able to follow God’s will and not his own. Jesus asks us to do the will of His Father also, the will of the Father is that we believe in His Son, why do we believe in the Son?.. BECAUSE we believe that the Son did God’s will and spoke God’s words, believing in the Son means that we believe in God and the works of God’s Spirit upon a man.
To all….. most believe that the man of sin will come to be at the time of Jesus return and he will destory him, but read carefully what , 2 Thessalonians 2:7… the apostle Paul says.
2ths2:7…… “for the mystery of iniquity does “already work” .
Point one, Paul tells us that “iniquity” was already working at the very time of Paul and the early church. Ounce you figure what that iniquity was then you can know who Paul was talking about. A “iniquity” is a “type” of sin, it’s a sin that seem good but none the less is still a sin, it only appears or is presented as good. This iniquity was brought on by people under the Greek– Platoian teachings of Man God’s, their belifes in Gods comming down to earth taking on human apperiounces. AS the Greek pagans were comming into the church their teachings were beginning to spread and infect the true Church , much like a virus infect people, so does false teachings also.
That iniquity that was beginning to already form at the time of Paul and John was the Jesus was not only just another human being exactly like us, but was a God sent from the pelora of God to earth “deguised ” as a man.
This was the teachings of the Gnostic’s which the apostle John and Paul were dealing with.
That iniquity was that Jesus was not just a flesh man but was, a God. That was the iniquity (infection) that was infecting the early church, and came to fulation at the council of Necia in 325 AD. When the man Jesus was officially prounanced, a God, and the trinity was formed. It was a LIE that changed the “image” of Jesus into a God. Which breakes the first commandment of God . “You shall have no other God besides me.”
Peace and love to you all and yours…………..gene
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