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Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,18:56) T read the version very well
jYOU ARE STILL LOST IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD ;PERTER PAN EFFECT
Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,00:08) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,18:56) T read the version very well
jYOU ARE STILL LOST IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD ;PERTER PAN EFFECT
really?
you posted a version that says Christ is God and now you are telling me i am lost? hahahayou are not making any sense
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote It is JESUS who is talking about his God, Charles. JESUS is the one who says “my God” four times in one verse. Mike,
WHO SAID IT ISN'T JESUS TALKING TO HIS GOD?
READ AGAIN WHAT I POSTED:
THOSE FOUR TERMS MY GOD WERE SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST FOR SURE!
BUT FOR SURE AS WELL JESUS SPOKE EMPHATICALLY IN THAT MODE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE IN THE TRUTH IS:
IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
THEREFORE:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
NOW:
JESUS WAS THE GODHEAD IN FLESH
BUT SINCE JESUS' BODY GLORIFIED IN THE SPIRIT STATE!
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY FOUR SPIRIT BEING,
GOD'S MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT!
ACHIEVED THROUGH HIS' DEATH, WITH HIS OWN BLOOD!
IT BELONGS TO HIM, HE ACHIEVED IT THROUGH HIS OWN BLOOD!AND IT'S ONLY HIS
TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
SO WITH THOSE FOUR MY GOD IN ONE VERSE, JESUS EMPHATICALLY DECLARED
HIS OWN UNIQUE PARTICULAR GOD! AND IT WAS
A REFERENCE TO HIMSELF
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
NOW MIKE, DEFINE THIS NOW:
Rev.1:6 And hath made us
A KINGDOM, AND PRIESTS TO GOD AND HIS FATHER,………………..
WHO IS THIS GOD?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,04:19) Jammin, Quote do you understand the version? hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
God's word is God's word, it does not change with the shifting versions. I understand the translators decided to establish their trinitarian cred by their choice of translation.
I know that JW translators or those of a similar bias would have used a lower case g.
That is how mere men behave. Only the sons have the true bias.
those who have ENOUGH knowledge about greek will not translate john 1.1 as god but God.
if you study greek language, you will understand the true meaning of john 1.1.
Jammin,Those you consider to have enough knowledge just happen to be trinitarians.
It is context that determines whether the what the word theos is translated to and in John 1:18 if the translator considers Jesus is God the capitalize the gee but if the translators consider Jesus is an angel then they use a lower case. It is not about enough knowledge it is about bias.
I myself prefer translations based on different manuscripts.
John 1:18
Darby Translation (DARBY)18 No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, *he* hath declared [him].
Jammin,
In John 1:1 I have some agreement with those trinitarians that believe the word is God is a qualitative statement. I disagree on what qualities of God it is speaking of and do not assume the word is Jesus' name in beginning.
Some do believe it is a lower case gee while others a high case gee as a result of their bias.
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,22:18) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,00:08) Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,18:56) T read the version very well
jYOU ARE STILL LOST IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD ;PERTER PAN EFFECT
really?
you posted a version that says Christ is God and now you are telling me i am lost? hahahayou are not making any sense
Jaminread the entire verse and you would see what is not working and what does not make sense ,then talk to me
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,06:17) Hi,
Of course God was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself[2cor 5.19]
But God was not in Himself
Nick…….right brotherPeace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,03:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,10:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:30) Hi MB,
Listen to wakeup“If you dont believe that God was speaking through Jesus.
May God help you.”
I believe Jesus spoke exactly what God instructed him to speak.I have never denied that God spoke through Jesus – just like God spoke through Moses, David, Elijah, Samuel, etc……..
Hi MB,
But when it comes to the crunch you try to prove God was not speaking through Jesus and elevate the man instead.
Nope. I just tell it like the scriptures tell it.
Hi MB,No you do not believe what The anointed Jesus said here.
.John 14:24
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.hi MB,
Neither do you believe these words
“.John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.”Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,06:49) those who have ENOUGH knowledge about greek will not translate john 1.1 as god but God.
Those who know Greek will tell you that both “THE god”, and “A god” are possible translations.The Greek language allows for either one in that verse.
So the fact that the Trinitarians OPT FOR the “God” translation has nothing to do with the Greek language, jammin. It has to do with bias and lack of understanding.
I mean really, how can our ONE God be WITH our ONE God? It's absolutely ludicrous.
But at any rate, don't ever say that the Greek language makes the decision for anyone. Because even the staunchest Trinitarian experts will tell you that “a god” is also a possible way to translate those Greek words.
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,06:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,12:12)
Colossians 1:15 King James Version
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:Okay….. done.
that version did not say created but firstborn of every creature.
Well, if it said “firstborn of every COW”, then we would know he was the first COW ever made.If it said, “firstborn of every MAN”, then we would know he was the first MAN ever made.
And so on, and so on. So “firstborn of every CREATURE” obviously means he was the first CREATURE ever made.
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,06:54) Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible the firstborn of every creature; not the first of the creation, or the first creature God made; for all things in Colossians 1:16 are said to be created by him, and therefore he himself can never be a creature;
That's a popular, but false conclusion, jammin. Because scripture also says GOD created EVERYTHING. And if we were to take that literally, it would mean God created HIMSELF as well.So when scripture says God created the heavens, the earth, and EVERYTHING in them, we know that it means EXCEPT for God Himself.
Likewise, when Paul says in 1 Cor 15:27 that God place EVERYTHING under Jesus, we know it means everything EXCEPT God Himself. (In this scripture, Paul even explains that to his readers, in case any of them are like you, and couldn't figure that much out all by themselves.)
So, when it says all things in heaven and earth were made THROUGH (not “BY”) Jesus, it means everything EXCEPT for Jesus himself.
Get it? God didn't create HIMSELF……… but He created all OTHER things in heaven.
God didn't create Jesus through HIMSELF…….. but he created all OTHER things through Jesus.
And the teaching of Col 1:15-16 is really all one long statement, which means: Jesus HAS TO BE the first one created, BECAUSE all the other things in heaven were created THROUGH him.
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,06:55) mike said :
Jesus is not Godbingo!
Why, thank you for agreeing with me that Jesus is NOT God.
(How do YOU like it when people butcher your post to make it seem like you believe things you really don't?)
Quote (carmel @ May 28 2014,10:43) THOSE FOUR TERMS MY GOD WERE SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST FOR SURE! BUT FOR SURE AS WELL JESUS SPOKE EMPHATICALLY IN THAT MODE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE IN THE TRUTH IS:
IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
So Jesus called SOMEONE ELSE “my God” four times in one verse to make it clear he is in the glory of the Father?
What if I called Him “my God” four times? Would that also tell you that I am in the glory of the Father?
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,10:54) Jammin, In John 1:1 I have some agreement with those trinitarians that believe the word is God is a qualitative statement. I disagree on what qualities of God it is speaking of and do not assume the word is Jesus' name in beginning.
Some do believe it is a lower case gee while others a high case gee as a result of their bias.
And why don't YOU believe the Word is Jesus in that verse, Kerwin?Could that ALSO be because of “bias”?
Never mind – I already know the answer to that one.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,03:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,10:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:30) Hi MB,
Listen to wakeup“If you dont believe that God was speaking through Jesus.
May God help you.”
I believe Jesus spoke exactly what God instructed him to speak.I have never denied that God spoke through Jesus – just like God spoke through Moses, David, Elijah, Samuel, etc……..
Hi MB,
But when it comes to the crunch you try to prove God was not speaking through Jesus and elevate the man instead.
Nope. I just tell it like the scriptures tell it.
Hi MB,No you do not believe what The anointed Jesus said here.
.John 14:24
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
Actually, I DO believe that scripture, Nick.Care to try again?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,15:14) hi MB,
Neither do you believe these words
“.John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.”
Yep. I believe that one too. Man, you're like 0 for 4 now. Not a very good record. Better start saying truthful things for a while, or people will begin to think you are incapable.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,18:08) Hi MB,
For us there is one God.
But you are not yet of US?
Yep. For me there is but one God, the Father.Dang Nick! 0 for 5 now? I'm hopeful you'll get one right eventually.
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