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Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,04:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,20:43) MIke………Your stalled in thinking that we are saying that the Spirt is a different person, The Spirit that produces a Son of God is the Holy Spirit of GOd so in that “SENSE” it can be said to be the SON of GOD because it is the “SEED” of GOD it is that Spirit producing, Sons of God. Much like the seed of men procuce sons men, so does the seed of God produce other sons of God. That is not a “seperate Person” person is doing it, it is part of the same Person being extended to another. Much like a fathers DNA combines with the Mothers DMA, and produces another Person, So itis with the HOLY SPIRIT of our Heavenly Father, It combines with human being and produces andother son of GOD. We like Jessu are Sons of God and Son of Man. Just as you are a Son of you Father and a son of your mother. This is the way i understand it.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene
Gene,An interesting way to put it and one that sounds correct.
Kerwin…..> Thanks, let see if Mike will come on board with this. John tells us “we are Now sons of God and we can not Sin (it actually should say continue in or practice sin) because his “seed” abides “IN” US “, and being God is Spirit so is his seed. So we have both the seed of Man, and the seed of God, if so be the Spirit of God abides in us. This is also called the Spirt of his son.Now if the spirit of him who raised Christ Jesus from the dead abides in you, it shall “also” quicken (bring back to life) your “MORTAL” (dead) BODIE.
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2013,05:38) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,04:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,20:43) MIke………Your stalled in thinking that we are saying that the Spirt is a different person, The Spirit that produces a Son of God is the Holy Spirit of GOd so in that “SENSE” it can be said to be the SON of GOD because it is the “SEED” of GOD it is that Spirit producing, Sons of God. Much like the seed of men procuce sons men, so does the seed of God produce other sons of God. That is not a “seperate Person” person is doing it, it is part of the same Person being extended to another. Much like a fathers DNA combines with the Mothers DMA, and produces another Person, So itis with the HOLY SPIRIT of our Heavenly Father, It combines with human being and produces andother son of GOD. We like Jessu are Sons of God and Son of Man. Just as you are a Son of you Father and a son of your mother. This is the way i understand it.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene
Gene,An interesting way to put it and one that sounds correct.
Kerwin…..> Thanks, let see if Mike will come on board with this. John tells us “we are Now sons of God and we can not Sin (it actually should say continue in or practice sin) because his “seed” abides “IN” US “, and being God is Spirit so is his seed. So we have both the seed of Man, and the seed of God, if so be the Spirit of God abides in us. This is also called the Spirt of his son.Now if the spirit of him who raised Christ Jesus from the dead abides in you, it shall “also” quicken (bring back to life) your “MORTAL” (dead) BODIE.
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,I agree!
Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,22:54) There is only one by whom God reveals all things and that one it the Spirit
Really? Where can I read that claim in scripture, Kerwin?Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,11:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,20:43) MIke………Your stalled in thinking that we are saying that the Spirt is a different person, The Spirit that produces a Son of God is the Holy Spirit of GOd so in that “SENSE” it can be said to be the SON of GOD because it is the “SEED” of GOD it is that Spirit producing, Sons of God. Much like the seed of men procuce sons men, so does the seed of God produce other sons of God. That is not a “seperate Person” person is doing it, it is part of the same Person being extended to another. Much like a fathers DNA combines with the Mothers DMA, and produces another Person, So itis with the HOLY SPIRIT of our Heavenly Father, It combines with human being and produces andother son of GOD. We like Jessu are Sons of God and Son of Man. Just as you are a Son of you Father and a son of your mother. This is the way i understand it.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene
Gene,An interesting way to put it and one that sounds correct.
It might be “interesting” to you, Kerwin, but it doesn't fit John 1, does it?The Word who became flesh and dwelled on earth – the one John the Baptist came to testify about – IS a person. In fact, he wears sandals.
Keep trying, guys. Perhaps you'll someday accidentally flip-flop right onto the truth that the Word in John 1 is Jesus just like the Word in Rev 19 is Jesus.
Until that time, I agree with Kerwin that it is, at the very least, “interesting” to watch your progress as you go from doctrine to doctrine, trying to find one that works WITHOUT Jesus being the only begotten firstborn Son of God and the beginning of all creation.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,17:38) Kerwin…..> Thanks, let see if Mike will come on board with this.
No Gene. Thanks for the invite, but until you show me the scripture that calls God's Holy Spirit His “son”, I'm going to beg off.You do realize that this “Holy Spirit Son of God” thing only came about on this thread because 2B and Kerwin were in a desperate attempt to find some way to explain the “son” mentioned in John 1 WITHOUT it having to be Jesus.
When you're sitting on the outside looking in, it is so easy to see the imaginations going into overdrive as people search desperately for ways to explain clear scriptures away – because those scriptures don't teach what those people WANT them to teach.
Mike………You mean clear Scripture like John 1:1 where you trinitarians and Preexistence transform the Word “WORD” to mean another GOD “Jesus”. Give us a break, it is you people who hunt for anything you can to interpret scriptures to fit you Dogmas not us.
But maybe this will help you, The Spriit of His Son that goes into our hearts causing us to cry Aba Father,That Sprit (OF) his Son is not his SON but the “SPIRIT” (OF) him , thatSpirt is not the Man Jesus but the Spirt he has, and also Mike remember that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of Spirit is Spirit. God is a Spirit and we who are born of him are born by his Seed which is a Spirit. Just as Jesus was. IMO
I am not sitting on the out side i know exactly what 2besee meant by the Son of God being the Spirit of GOD which was in Jesus, and I used scripture to Show that it is the very seed of God that produces the sons of God, and Jesus is not the “ONLY SON of God as you people assume he is , He is the Only one who is UNIQULY “BEGOTTEN” from mankind so far as a SON OF GOD < but far from the ONLY SON of GOD. I can show scriptures where there are other son of God , but you will just ignore them as you do other scriptures IMO.
If what you say were true, then why does scriptures say He is the First born of “MANY BROTHERS”. How can we be called “BROTHERS” of him, if he is the “ONLY” ONE born of God. Jesus may be the only born from mankind so far, but certainly is not forever the only one to be begotten of God. Right now we are considered as SON of GOD according to John, Your desperate attempts to make Jesus a God and separate him form his humanity is only a work of deception, and that is exactly what Satan wants , it is to make Jesus different then we are, and there by divide him away form our indenity with Him, making it appear we can not attain to what he has, and you trinitarians and Preexistences are do that very work for him. IMO
peace and love……………………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,22:54) There is only one by whom God reveals all things and that one it the Spirit
Really? Where can I read that claim in scripture, Kerwin?
Mike,1 Corinthians 2:11
King James Version (KJV)11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
No one but the Spirit knows the deep things of God. Not mankind, not the angels, not even Jesus the Messiah.
1 Corinthians 2:10
King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
God reveals all things by the Spirit, whether to mankind, the angels, or to Jesus Christ.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:51) Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,11:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,20:43) MIke………Your stalled in thinking that we are saying that the Spirt is a different person, The Spirit that produces a Son of God is the Holy Spirit of GOd so in that “SENSE” it can be said to be the SON of GOD because it is the “SEED” of GOD it is that Spirit producing, Sons of God. Much like the seed of men procuce sons men, so does the seed of God produce other sons of God. That is not a “seperate Person” person is doing it, it is part of the same Person being extended to another. Much like a fathers DNA combines with the Mothers DMA, and produces another Person, So itis with the HOLY SPIRIT of our Heavenly Father, It combines with human being and produces andother son of GOD. We like Jessu are Sons of God and Son of Man. Just as you are a Son of you Father and a son of your mother. This is the way i understand it.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene
Gene,An interesting way to put it and one that sounds correct.
It might be “interesting” to you, Kerwin, but it doesn't fit John 1, does it?The Word who became flesh and dwelled on earth – the one John the Baptist came to testify about – IS a person. In fact, he wears sandals.
Keep trying, guys. Perhaps you'll someday accidentally flip-flop right onto the truth that the Word in John 1 is Jesus just like the Word in Rev 19 is Jesus.
Until that time, I agree with Kerwin that it is, at the very least, “interesting” to watch your progress as you go from doctrine to doctrine, trying to find one that works WITHOUT Jesus being the only begotten firstborn Son of God and the beginning of all creation.
Mike,At the moment I lack the time to answer this post but it inspires me to ask “did Jesus come in the flesh and live among us when the Word became flesh?”
Gene wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus is not the “ONLY SON of God as you people assume he is John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.
Gene,
The above scripture is clear:
NO MAN HAD ASCENDED FROM HEAVEN! ONLY HIM, I REPEAT ONLY HIM
SO JESUS IS NOT THE SAME ELEMENT AS WE ARE!
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven
He also stated :
The son of man who IS in heaven!
So while Jesus was on earth, he was also in heaven!
THEREFORE HE IS DIVINE, ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER AND LOST NOT THE LEAST OF HIS DIVINITY, WHEN HE BECAME MAN!
MORE
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from BENEATH, I am from ABOVE. You are of this WORLD, I am not of this WORLD.
Jesus asserted again with an emphasis:
YOU ARE FROM BENEATH I AM FROM ABOVE
SO NO DOUBT HE IS NOT FROM THE SAME SUBSTANCE!
WE ARE FROM HELL HE WAS FROM HEAVEN
THEN EMPHASIZED:
YOU ARE FROM THIS WORLD, I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD
SO I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD!
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
I AM NOT OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE!!
John 6:27…………………. FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
HAVE YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST CONCEPTION WHAT JESUS MEANT WITH THE WORDS: FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF:
JESUS'SPIRIT THROUGH HIS DEATH, REMOVED SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM THE ENTIRE NATURE, AND ESTABLISHED HIS SPIRIT OFFICIALLY, SINCE BEFORE THAT TIME HE WAS HIDDEN!
SO AGAIN HE IS A UNIQUE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! HE IS SEALED WITHIN NATURE BY THE FATHER, OR MORE WITHIN OUR UNDERSTANDING, ALL IS CREATED BY HIM! IN HIM!, FOR HIM!
DO YOU STILL DOUBT THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SAME SUBSTANCE AS OURS?
SO: The very fact that Jesus came down,
IS TO MAKE US LIKE HIM PERFECT, AND ALSO IN THE SAME BODY LIKE HIS!INDENTICAL TO THE LEAST DETAIL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 12 2013,02:48) Gene wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus is not the “ONLY SON of God as you people assume he is John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.
Gene,
The above scripture is clear:
NO MAN HAD ASCENDED FROM HEAVEN! ONLY HIM, I REPEAT ONLY HIM
SO JESUS IS NOT THE SAME ELEMENT AS WE ARE!
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven
He also stated :
The son of man who IS in heaven!
So while Jesus was on earth, he was also in heaven!
THEREFORE HE IS DIVINE, ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER AND LOST NOT THE LEAST OF HIS DIVINITY, WHEN HE BECAME MAN!
MORE
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from BENEATH, I am from ABOVE. You are of this WORLD, I am not of this WORLD.
Jesus asserted again with an emphasis:
YOU ARE FROM BENEATH I AM FROM ABOVE
SO NO DOUBT HE IS NOT FROM THE SAME SUBSTANCE!
WE ARE FROM HELL HE WAS FROM HEAVEN
THEN EMPHASIZED:
YOU ARE FROM THIS WORLD, I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD
SO I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD!
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
I AM NOT OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE!!
John 6:27…………………. FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
HAVE YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST CONCEPTION WHAT JESUS MEANT WITH THE WORDS: FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF:
JESUS'SPIRIT THROUGH HIS DEATH, REMOVED SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM THE ENTIRE NATURE, AND ESTABLISHED HIS SPIRIT OFFICIALLY, SINCE BEFORE THAT TIME HE WAS HIDDEN!
SO AGAIN HE IS A UNIQUE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! HE IS SEALED WITHIN NATURE BY THE FATHER, OR MORE WITHIN OUR UNDERSTANDING, ALL IS CREATED BY HIM! IN HIM!, FOR HIM!
DO YOU STILL DOUBT THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SAME SUBSTANCE AS OURS?
SO: The very fact that Jesus came down,
IS TO MAKE US LIKE HIM PERFECT, AND ALSO IN THE SAME BODY LIKE HIS!INDENTICAL TO THE LEAST DETAIL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel,That Scripture is about the Son of man.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2013,09:09) I am not sitting on the out side………..
Hi Gene,I was talking about me sitting on the outside, looking in. I can see things clearly from here. From here, I don't have the misfortune of not being able to see the forest for the trees.
That's what I meant.
Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,22:54) There is only one by whom God reveals all things and that one it the Spirit
Really? Where can I read that claim in scripture, Kerwin?
Mike,1 Corinthians 2:10
King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
God reveals all things by the Spirit, whether to mankind, the angels, or to Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,1 Corinthians 2
9 However, as it is written:“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
While it is true that certain things have been revealed to men via God's Spirit many times in scripture, this does not support your claim that ALL the things Jesus knew about God were revealed to him via God's Spirit. In fact, there isn't a scripture that says ANYTHING AT ALL was ever revealed to Jesus via God's Spirit.
On the other hand, there ARE scriptures where Jesus himself told us that he learned things from God DIRECTLY – by watching what his God did, and then doing the same.
Also, there are many instances in scripture where angels (not the Spirit) of God revealed many things to many different men. And there is no scripture that says those things were first revealed to the angels via God's Spirit, nor would there be reason for this, since God's angels can see Him personally any time they want to.
Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:51)
The Word who became flesh and dwelled on earth – the one John the Baptist came to testify about – IS a person. In fact, he wears sandals.
Mike,At the moment I lack the time to answer this post but it inspires me to ask “did Jesus come in the flesh and live among us when the Word became flesh?”
Jesus IS the Word, Kerwin. This is such a simple teaching when you compare Phil 2 with John 1. One speaks of the Word who was existing with God before being made flesh. The other speaks of Jesus who was existing with God before being made into a human being.There are about 50 other scriptures that also support these two, but you guys will have none of it.
Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,17:36) Quote (carmel @ June 12 2013,02:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2013,02:09) Quote Jesus is not the “ONLY SON of God as you people assume he is John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.
Gene,
The above scripture is clear:
NO MAN HAD ASCENDED FROM HEAVEN! ONLY HIM, I REPEAT ONLY HIM
SO JESUS IS NOT THE SAME ELEMENT AS WE ARE!
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven
He also stated :
The son of man who IS in heaven!
So while Jesus was on earth, he was also in heaven!
THEREFORE HE IS DIVINE, ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER AND LOST NOT THE LEAST OF HIS DIVINITY, WHEN HE BECAME MAN!
MORE
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from BENEATH, I am from ABOVE. You are of this WORLD, I am not of this WORLD.
Jesus asserted again with an emphasis:
YOU ARE FROM BENEATH I AM FROM ABOVE
SO NO DOUBT HE IS NOT FROM THE SAME SUBSTANCE!
WE ARE FROM HELL HE WAS FROM HEAVEN
THEN EMPHASIZED:
YOU ARE FROM THIS WORLD, I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD
SO I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD!
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
I AM NOT OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE!!
John 6:27…………………. FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
HAVE YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST CONCEPTION WHAT JESUS MEANT WITH THE WORDS: FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED!
IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF:
JESUS'SPIRIT THROUGH HIS DEATH, REMOVED SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM THE ENTIRE NATURE, AND ESTABLISHED HIS SPIRIT OFFICIALLY, SINCE BEFORE THAT TIME HE WAS HIDDEN!
SO AGAIN HE IS A UNIQUE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! HE IS SEALED WITHIN NATURE BY THE FATHER, OR MORE WITHIN OUR UNDERSTANDING, ALL IS CREATED BY HIM! IN HIM!, FOR HIM!
DO YOU STILL DOUBT THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SAME SUBSTANCE AS OURS?
SO: The very fact that Jesus came down,
IS TO MAKE US LIKE HIM PERFECT, AND ALSO IN THE SAME BODY LIKE HIS!INDENTICAL TO THE LEAST DETAIL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel,That Scripture is about the Son of man.
Good post, Charles.Kerwin, Jesus is the Son of Man AND the Son of God. You realize this, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,05:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,22:54) There is only one by whom God reveals all things and that one it the Spirit
Really? Where can I read that claim in scripture, Kerwin?
Mike,1 Corinthians 2:10
King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
God reveals all things by the Spirit, whether to mankind, the angels, or to Jesus Christ.
Kerwin,1 Corinthians 2
9 However, as it is written:“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
While it is true that certain things have been revealed to men via God's Spirit many times in scripture, this does not support your claim that ALL the things Jesus knew about God were revealed to him via God's Spirit. In fact, there isn't a scripture that says ANYTHING AT ALL was ever revealed to Jesus via God's Spirit.
On the other hand, there ARE scriptures where Jesus himself told us that he learned things from God DIRECTLY – by watching what his God did, and then doing the same.
Also, there are many instances in scripture where angels (not the Spirit) of God revealed many things to many different men. And there is no scripture that says those things were first revealed to the angels via God's Spirit, nor would there be reason for this, since God's angels can see Him personally any time they want to.
Mike,I see there is an alternative interpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:10 but I don't see how it effects anything. It is still the Spirit that is the only one that knows all things of God it is still the Spirit by which God reveals these things because it is the Spirit that is the only one that knows them.
Yes, God reveals his Wisdom by his Spirit as his Wisdom is at least part of all things.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,06:03)
Good post, Charles.Kerwin, Jesus is the Son of Man AND the Son of God. You realize this, right?
Mike,Jesus is the Son of man according the flesh and the Son of God according to the Spirit. When Jesus uses Son of man then it is quite possible he emphasizes it for a reason in that passage.
Please address this part, Kerwin:
While it is true that certain things have been revealed to men via God's Spirit many times in scripture, this does not support your claim that ALL the things Jesus knew about God were revealed to him via God's Spirit. In fact, there isn't a scripture that says ANYTHING AT ALL was ever revealed to Jesus via God's Spirit.
On the other hand, there ARE scriptures where Jesus himself told us that he learned things from God DIRECTLY – by watching what his God did, and then doing the same.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,06:01) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:51)
The Word who became flesh and dwelled on earth – the one John the Baptist came to testify about – IS a person. In fact, he wears sandals.
Mike,At the moment I lack the time to answer this post but it inspires me to ask “did Jesus come in the flesh and live among us when the Word became flesh?”
Jesus IS the Word, Kerwin. This is such a simple teaching when you compare Phil 2 with John 1. One speaks of the Word who was existing with God before being made flesh. The other speaks of Jesus who was existing with God before being made into a human being.There are about 50 other scriptures that also support these two, but you guys will have none of it.
Mike,We know Jesus came in the flesh because only the spirit of the antichrist teaches differently.
That is where my question comes from as you seem to be saying that Jesus did not come in the flesh.
You should agree Jesus came in the flesh and lived among us means the same thing as Jesus was made flesh and lived among us.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,08:37) Please address this part, Kerwin: While it is true that certain things have been revealed to men via God's Spirit many times in scripture, this does not support your claim that ALL the things Jesus knew about God were revealed to him via God's Spirit. In fact, there isn't a scripture that says ANYTHING AT ALL was ever revealed to Jesus via God's Spirit.
On the other hand, there ARE scriptures where Jesus himself told us that he learned things from God DIRECTLY – by watching what his God did, and then doing the same.
Mike,The Spirit is the one that knows all things of God. He uses it to reveal his Wisdom. The Son also knows and reveals God's Wisdom. There is only one that knows all things and that one called the Son and said to be the Spirit. Jesus stated God revealed all things to him and we know God reveals his Wisdom by his Spirit. We also know God placed his Spirit on Jesus, Isaiah 42:1.
It is also written believers are taught by God even though God teaches by his Spirit.
Note: replaced dropped word “God”
Mike,
Quote John 1:6-8
King James Version (KJV)6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.Subject is the light that is in the Word.
Quote John 1:15
King James Version (KJV)15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Subject is the Word or the Word made flesh.
Quote John 1:29-34 King James Version (KJV)
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Subject is the man Jesus Christ.
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