JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2012,13:11)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 06 2012,19:24) your answer to 1 means you have TWO LORDS. but paul said ONLY ONE LORD, Christ. Paul also said this: Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. But wait………. didn't he say Christ was our “ONE” Lord? Paul also said this: 1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 8:6 is linked to the scripture above, jammin.  In both scriptures, Paul is listing a “hierarchy”.  Do you know what that word means?   That's why he starts his statement by saying, “as indeed there are many gods and many lords“.  He is saying that ALTHOUGH there are MANY gods and lords, for us (the true believers), there is one distinct hierarchy: 1.  The Father, as our God and therefore the MOST High over us. 2.  THEN comes Jesus, the one our God MADE Lord over us, who is therefore the SECOND highest over us. Use the two scriptures in conjunction with each other, jammin.  Then you might be able to reach the truth of what Paul was teaching. jammin, you said before that the God of Jesus is also your God.  Well, the God of Jesus is unquestionably ONLY the Father.  Therefore, the God of jammin should also be ONLY the Father. So why is that not the case?

eph 6.5 is not Lord but lords.
are you out of your mind boy? LOL

the bible also said gods.
LOL

therefore there are many gods. but ONE GOD THE FATHER. not TWO GOD THE FATHER MIKE. that is the meaning of 1 cor 8.6
it does not mean that Christ is not God. he is GOD but not GOD THE FATHER. he is GOD THE ONLY SON john 1.18

thomas said Christ is his LORD AND GOD john 20.28
cant you read that in your bible? that is a word for word in the bible boy. LOL

therefore, you are a fals teacher LOL
you are not saying the whole truth. i thought you believe Christ is God (but not GOD-this is your sick doctrine. “GOD” and “God” has no difference boy bec it refers to the nature) but now you are trying to say that he is not God?? is that what you mean boy?? LOL

you are sick boy. before you said Christ is god. then you changed it. you said Christ is now God but not GOD LOL

here is your logic.
your father is HUMAN. but you as his son, is not HUMAN but Human. LOL

your logic is a thrash! LOL
read well your bible boy LOL

[mikeboll64]

Eph 6:5 actually says “kurios” – the same word used of Jesus in 1 Cor 8:6.

jammin, I've grown WAY tired of your posts. It is like trying to discuss a serious scriptural matter with a little kid.

You are correct that the Bible speaks of many gods. Only one of them is the God OF gods, and the MOST HIGH God though, right?

Is Jesus that MOST HIGH God? Or is Jesus the SON OF that MOST HIGH God?

The answer is clearly written in the scriptures.

[Lightenup]

YHWH is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords…so the Father and the Son are both the Most High God.

[mikeboll64]

No. The Father is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. HE is the Most High God.

Jesus, on the other hand, is the Lord of lords and King of kings (not God of gods). He is not the Most High God, but the Son OF the Most High God.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 06 2012,04:47)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2012,01:42) jammin……………This may help you' The LORD (Yehweh) said unto my Lord (adon) sit on my right hand untill I (God) make you enemies you foot stool. The Word LORD or in  hebrew (Yehweh) means Soverign GOD. The word Lord or in Hebrew is Adon, and Means a Human ruller, not a God at all. Now What David said was this the LORD (GOD) said unto MY Lord (Jesus) a human Lord, sit on my right hand untill I (God) make your enemies your footstoll. Jammin there are two meanings for the Word Lord one is a Human Lord as in a King or Master and the other LORD is referencing the Sovergin LORD (YEHWEH) the ONLY GOD. There is only ONE LORD GOD while there are many Lords so you can't Place the term GOD as meaning Jesus. Remember Jesus Said clearly For “thou” are the “only” “true'” God. Notice he said thou or you (that means not himself) and only (that mean no other) True God. IMO Peace and love to you and yours jammin……………………………………………………………gene Quote untill I (God) make you enemies you foot stool. Gene, Can you do me a favour please Can you tell me WHAT THAT STATEMENT MEANS FOR YOU??? Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Charles………The words used for Lord is “adon” and that means a Human ruller of any kind and it does not imply a God  or god of any kind, David was saying the LORD GOD said unto my human “Lord” (Jesus), sit on my right hand or side untill I (the LORD GOD) which is the implied God there is, make your enimies you foot stool.

I see nothing difficult about that statement Charles

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,15:17)

Eph 6:5 actually says “kurios” – the same word used of Jesus in 1 Cor 8:6. jammin, I've grown WAY tired of your posts. It is like trying to discuss a serious scriptural matter with a little kid. You are correct that the Bible speaks of many gods.  Only one of them is the God OF gods, and the MOST HIGH God though, right? Is Jesus that MOST HIGH God?  Or is Jesus the SON OF that MOST HIGH God? The answer is clearly written in the scriptures.

sis kathi is right.

JESUS is YHWH.
the father is alo YHWH

they are both GOD by nature.

is the father not KURIOS?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58)

sis kathi is right. JESUS is YHWH. the father is alo YHWH

She is?  So then you agree with her that there exists TWO DIFFERENT Almighty Gods, who rule together as a unity?

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58)

is the father not KURIOS?

Yes, the Father is “the kurios of heaven and earth”, according to His holy servant Jesus Christ.

And those earthly masters that Paul talked about are kurios as well.

And so is Jesus.

What is your point?

jammin, don't forget what Paul taught in 1 Cor 11:3……..

……the head of Christ is God.

In 1 Cor 8:6, he is just putting our “leaders” in order.  God, as the head of Christ, is #1.  Jesus, as the one our God made Lord over us, is #2.

But don't forget that of our two highest leaders, our ONE and ONLY God is the head of Christ.

In fact, you and I have the same God Jesus has, jammin.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,12:59)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58) sis kathi is right. JESUS is YHWH. the father is alo YHWH She is?  So then you agree with her that there exists TWO DIFFERENT Almighty Gods, who rule together as a unity? Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58) is the father not KURIOS? Yes, the Father is “the kurios of heaven and earth”, according to His holy servant Jesus Christ. And those earthly masters that Paul talked about are kurios as well. And so is Jesus. What is your point? jammin, don't forget what Paul taught in 1 Cor 11:3…….. ……the head of Christ is God. In 1 Cor 8:6, he is just putting our “leaders” in order.  God, as the head of Christ, is #1.  Jesus, as the one our God made Lord over us, is #2. But don't forget that of our two highest leaders, our ONE and ONLY God is the head of Christ. In fact, you and I have the same God Jesus has, jammin.

therefore you have two KURIOS

paul said only one, Christ.

if i will follow your argument, that will be the result of your argument.

the father and the son have the same nature, GOD

the bible did not say two GODS.
GOd is their nature. phil 2.6

do you have two natures mike? animal and human? LOL

you only have one mike and that is HUMAN nature.
you are both HUMAN. you and your father.

same with christ and his father. they are both God by nature.
if you are God, you are almighty. that is the nature of God.

take some vitamins mike.

your NWT is confused about this. you know why?
they said Christ is God. but the other verse says he is a god. LOL

poor mike

[jammin]

who is the head of a woman?

does it mean that they are not both HUMAN?

you logic is non sense boy LOL

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:19)

who is the head of a woman? does it mean that they are not both HUMAN? you logic is non sense boy LOL

And who did God appoint as head over all things that swim in the sea? Does that mean human beings and fish have the same nature?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:18)

therefore you have two KURIOS paul said only one, Christ. if i will follow your argument, that will be the result of your argument.

Yes jammin.

You have spoken correctly, for that truly IS the result of my argument.

I have more than one lord – just like the slaves Paul spoke to in Eph 6:5 have more than one lord.

Are you beginning to understand the use of EMPHATICAL language now?

[carmel]

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LORD GOD said unto my human “Lord” (Jesus), sit on my right hand or side untill I (the LORD GOD) which is the inly GOd there is, make your enimies you foot stool.

Gene,

let's start:

Read Acts 2: 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made BOTH LORD AND CHRIST, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified.

SO JESUS IS BOTH:

LORD AND CHRIST

I AM NOT GOING TO DEFINE THE WORD LORD FOR YOU SINCE YOU ARE CAPABLE TO DO IT, BUT PLEASE DEFINE IT,AND POST IT IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THE TRUTH REGARDING WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS NOW!!!  

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST

CHARLES

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,12:00)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:18) therefore you have two KURIOS paul said only one, Christ. if i will follow your argument, that will be the result of your argument. Yes jammin. You have spoken correctly, for that truly IS the result of my argument. I have more than one lord – just like the slaves Paul spoke to in Eph 6:5 have more than one lord. Are you beginning to understand the use of EMPHATICAL language now?

is christ lord or Lord according to paul in 1 cor 8.6>?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,11:57)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:19) who is the head of a woman? does it mean that they are not both HUMAN? you logic is non sense boy LOL And who did God appoint as head over all things that swim in the sea?  Does that mean human beings and fish have the same nature?

answer my question first before i answer yours.

who is the head of the woman? are they not both HUMAN>?

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Dec. wrote:

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……the head of Christ is God.

Mike,

That statement, is a proof that JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH!!!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 13 2012,00:09)

who is the head of the woman? are they not both HUMAN>?

And who, according to 1 Cor 11:3, is the head of man? Does that mean human beings and “God the Son” have the same nature?

Your question is a moot point.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 13 2012,00:08)

is christ lord or Lord according to paul in 1 cor 8.6>?

Another moot point, jammin.

It is thought that the original Greek scriptures were written in all caps. That means Paul wrote KURIOS when speaking about our Lord Jesus.

But then, he also wrote KURIOS in all caps when speaking of earthly masters too.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 13 2012,13:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,12:59) ……the head of Christ is God. Mike, That statement, is a proof that JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Actually Charles,

It's proof that our one and only God is the “boss” of Jesus, like Jesus is the “boss” of us.

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Dec. wrote:

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Actually Charles, It's proof that our one and only God is the “boss” of Jesus, like Jesus is the “boss” of us.

Mike,

If you are so convinced :

COMMITT YOURSELF AND EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE SO!!!

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

Mike,

ARE YOU READY TO OPEN A THREAD REGARDING 1Corinthians 11: 3

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